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Neighor

Streator, IL

#61 Dec 30, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
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My answer would be that it there are a multitude of factors that lead to this. However, I'll go over what I think to be the largest two:
1) A homeschooled child has much more one-on-one time with their teacher than a student at a public school. Most classrooms have about 30 kids and a single teacher. Even the most crowded homeschooling residences don't even come close to that.
2) Those participating in the education have more control. Ultimately, a community-run school would look like (some sort of) home-school. The rules are decided either by teachers, students, or agreed upon by both. When teachers have more control over how classrooms work, that improves their results. Furthermore, when students have more control over how they are learning, and this does sometimes mean teachers having less control, they tend to learn more effectively.
Recommended literature: John Holt's "How Children Fail" and "How Children Learn", "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling" by John Taylor Ghatto, and, most controversially, specifically for any teenagers who might be reading this post, "The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to Quit School and Get a Real Life and Education" by Grace Llewellyn.
By jove, it's starting to come clear to you!!! So if we STOP THE MADNESS in supporting today's failed Public School processes, "and" impose a transition to incent Home School like processes, the kids will improve. <You've got it!! All we have to do now is get the Teachers Union and politicians blocking vouchers out of the way, and we'd have a good start! <This would "truly" put the kids first. Now you see what I have been saying for years!
Nope

Frankfort, IL

#62 Dec 30, 2012
What happened to the discussion about grades? Am I on the wrong thread?
Everyone gets good grades in this district so they all look good. They have to look like they're earning their keep. Everyone is driving around town with those honor roll bumper stickers kind of like everyone gets a trophy.
Concerned Citizen

Schiller Park, IL

#63 Dec 31, 2012
Neighor wrote:
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By jove, it's starting to come clear to you!!! So if we STOP THE MADNESS in supporting today's failed Public School processes, "and" impose a transition to incent Home School like processes, the kids will improve. <You've got it!! All we have to do now is get the Teachers Union and politicians blocking vouchers out of the way, and we'd have a good start! <This would "truly" put the kids first. Now you see what I have been saying for years!
Well, I have no problem with kids going to a school and not being educated at home. Home-schooling can be great, allowing children to learn what they want to learn and encouraging them to develop interests and such. But it can also be incredibly restrictive, even more so than most public schools at times.

It's not an issue of homeschool vs school; it's an issue of coercion education vs self-motivated education. There are both homeschoolers and private schools that manage to maintain a self-motivated environment.

Here's an example of a great school. Tell me what you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill_Schoo...

Especially check out the "Philosophy" section of the article.
Concerned Citizen

Schiller Park, IL

#64 Dec 31, 2012
Adding just a bit:

But homeschooling is a much more reasonable option for most people, as these private schools can be expensive. For most people, homeschooling is definitely the superior and more realistic option.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#65 Dec 31, 2012
Sounds like AAS is back.
Neighbor

Western Springs, IL

#66 Dec 31, 2012
Summer Hill?? A bit different than traditional American Home Schooling ehh? My impression? Goes against my natural tendency of leading children, development, and not allowing them to create a path themselves when they are very young. Home School programs here are very structured.

Still, if it works for those kids, great!

My real driver is helping people accept that the Public School process has failed most kids for generations. We have doubled teacher salaries with no measurable im provement in results. We have thrown $B's at inven ting catch phrase improvements, with minimum success. So if socienty "really" wants to put kids first, we should be open to changing traditional Public Education processes. Put money into Home School like processes... The kids will have a better chance in life!
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#67 Dec 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Summer Hill?? A bit different than traditional American Home Schooling ehh? My impression? Goes against my natural tendency of leading children, development, and not allowing them to create a path themselves when they are very young. Home School programs here are very structured.
Still, if it works for those kids, great!
My real driver is helping people accept that the Public School process has failed most kids for generations. We have doubled teacher salaries with no measurable im provement in results. We have thrown $B's at inven ting catch phrase improvements, with minimum success. So if socienty "really" wants to put kids first, we should be open to changing traditional Public Education processes. Put money into Home School like processes... The kids will have a better chance in life!
What are these "Home School like processes" you speak of? This is a "catch phrase" you keep using but have never defined.

Exactly what are they doing at home that they can do at school that will not increase the need for more teachers and consequently up the cost of education? One on one attention? That will cost more. Implementation of outside sources? That will cost more. Introduction of more areas of interest? That will cost more. Heck, they can't even afford to educate the kids in music and art in some schools now.

You refuse to understand that your "magic solution" is possibly financially worse than the one we have now. You are expecting private education results on a public tab and under public rules and limitations.

I agree that the system needs fixing and the money needs redirection. I do not agree with your idea that home schooling has found the answer. You have a lack of understanding of how the home schooling process works if you really think it can succesfully be applied to public education at a minimum cost.
Neighbor

Western Springs, IL

#68 Dec 31, 2012
First: http://www.homeschoolinfo.org/

Second: It's not about Public School Teachers, it's about the kids.

Third: It's a "well proven" successful program. How do you swallow an Elephant? One bite at a time. Don't think why we can't, think about "how we can". We have fixed, changed, expanded, funded, more funded, more funded, fixed, over & over. Look at the overall results. The road to hell was paved with good intentions, but if the results remain poor, it's time to put that shovel down right? Lets "really" put the kids first, and fund transitioning to a successful process, as we slowly defund what we have. The real challenge is truly putting the kids first, the plan to transition will follow.
Gunner

Chicago, IL

#69 Dec 31, 2012
NATIONAL HONOR
SOCIETY
The National Honor Society at Lincoln-Way
High School is an organization that recognizes
and encourages academic achievement
and ideals of scholarship, character,
service and leadership. It is an active organization
that meets regularly and is involved
in school service, such as tutoring, and community
service projects.
Selection of National Honor Society
members takes place in the fall of the
sophomore, junior, and senior year. All students
who have a 3.5 grade point average
after the first semester of their sophomore,
junior, or senior year are invited to apply
for membership by filling out an activity
questionnaire. While both school and community
activities are evaluated, emphasis is
placed on school involvement and leadership.
It is important, therefore, that students
are actively involved and demonstrate
leadership in Lincoln-Way clubs, sports and
activities in order to gain the points needed
for membership.
Selection to NH S is made by a faculty
council which evaluates the student’s credentials
in the areas
Gunner

Chicago, IL

#70 Dec 31, 2012
lol wrote:
NL School District already has this policy in place. Try to find a kid in their system that isn't on the "Honor" list.
Lincoln Way West Requirments:

NATIONAL HONOR
SOCIETY
The National Honor Society at Lincoln-Way
High School is an organization that recognizes
and encourages academic achievement
and ideals of scholarship, character,
service and leadership. It is an active organization
that meets regularly and is involved
in school service, such as tutoring, and community
service projects.
Selection of National Honor Society
members takes place in the fall of the
sophomore, junior, and senior year. All students
who have a 3.5 grade point average
after the first semester of their sophomore,
junior, or senior year are invited to apply
for membership by filling out an activity
questionnaire. While both school and community
activities are evaluated, emphasis is
placed on school involvement and leadership.
It is important, therefore, that students
are actively involved and demonstrate
leadership in Lincoln-Way clubs, sports and
activities in order to gain the points needed
for membership.
Selection to NH S is made by a faculty
council which evaluates the student’s credentials
in the areas
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#71 Dec 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
First: http://www.homeschoolinfo.org/
Second: It's not about Public School Teachers, it's about the kids.
Third: It's a "well proven" successful program. How do you swallow an Elephant? One bite at a time. Don't think why we can't, think about "how we can". We have fixed, changed, expanded, funded, more funded, more funded, fixed, over & over. Look at the overall results. The road to hell was paved with good intentions, but if the results remain poor, it's time to put that shovel down right? Lets "really" put the kids first, and fund transitioning to a successful process, as we slowly defund what we have. The real challenge is truly putting the kids first, the plan to transition will follow.
Just because it is a successful program does not mean it will transition well onto the public playing field. There are obvious red flags that you choose to ignore. Why on earth would educators ignore this magic system if anyone thought it had merit?
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#72 Dec 31, 2012
Look Neighbor, I do not deny the success of home schooled kids. I just do not think these parents have been blessed with a magic system. These kids are getting what every kid needs to succeed....parental support. This is something that occurs outside of school, not in. Given that level of parental support, even those within the public system will succeed.
Neighbor

Western Springs, IL

#73 Dec 31, 2012
Ok, I hear you. What-If, we voucher Home School Mothers? Insted of $4,000/yr going to scholl tax, how about letting Mom keep that money? Maybe kick in $4,000 to her too? What if a Mom could get $8,000/yr to Home Shool her own kids? Think more moms would do it? You know the kids will do better? 2 kids? Double money? 3 kids? Tripple money? "Maybe" we could help more Moms & Kids?? <See what I mean? Possibility thinking.... I don't have all the answers but I say What-If???
Neighbor

Western Springs, IL

#74 Dec 31, 2012
Lets give the ids "what they need to succede"is right on!
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#75 Dec 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Ok, I hear you. What-If, we voucher Home School Mothers? Insted of $4,000/yr going to scholl tax, how about letting Mom keep that money? Maybe kick in $4,000 to her too? What if a Mom could get $8,000/yr to Home Shool her own kids? Think more moms would do it? You know the kids will do better? 2 kids? Double money? 3 kids? Tripple money? "Maybe" we could help more Moms & Kids?? <See what I mean? Possibility thinking.... I don't have all the answers but I say What-If???
......because it takes more than a voucher and an XX chromosome pattern to successfully teach a child. For instance, it would help to be a fairly good speller. Grin.
Concerned Citizen

Aurora, IL

#76 Dec 31, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Summer Hill?? A bit different than traditional American Home Schooling ehh? My impression? Goes against my natural tendency of leading children, development, and not allowing them to create a path themselves when they are very young. Home School programs here are very structured.
Still, if it works for those kids, great!
My real driver is helping people accept that the Public School process has failed most kids for generations. We have doubled teacher salaries with no measurable im provement in results. We have thrown $B's at inven ting catch phrase improvements, with minimum success. So if socienty "really" wants to put kids first, we should be open to changing traditional Public Education processes. Put money into Home School like processes... The kids will have a better chance in life!
While it's not the norm for home-schooling, there are homeschoolers in the states that allow their children to learn according to their own interests. There's a pretty large group of people who do something called "unschooling" or "deschooling" which is basically that.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#77 Dec 31, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
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Here's an example of a great school. Tell me what you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerhill_Schoo...
Sounds like a non-authoritarian/anarchist style education to me. I personally would not classify their philosophy as "great".
Neighbor

Western Springs, IL

#78 Dec 31, 2012
keyboard is a foul... sorry
Concerned Citizen

Aurora, IL

#79 Jan 1, 2013
Appalled wrote:
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Sounds like a non-authoritarian/anarchist style education to me. I personally would not classify their philosophy as "great".
That's exactly why I approve of it.

I believe that kids have a natural capacity and desire to learn and coercing them using authoritarian means is a way of suppressing that desire.
Carrie

Chicago, IL

#80 Jan 1, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
Ok, I hear you. What-If, we voucher Home School Mothers? Insted of $4,000/yr going to scholl tax, how about letting Mom keep that money? Maybe kick in $4,000 to her too? What if a Mom could get $8,000/yr to Home Shool her own kids? Think more moms would do it? You know the kids will do better? 2 kids? Double money? 3 kids? Tripple money? "Maybe" we could help more Moms & Kids?? <See what I mean? Possibility thinking.... I don't have all the answers but I say What-If???
I wouldn't think twice about doing it. I send my kids to public school because we pay for it, but I still supplement their education at home. The schools won't give spelling tests, so I do. The schools won't teach proper math, so I do. If I didn't pay so much money to public schools, I wouldn't send my kids there, that's for sure.

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