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hold on

Naperville, IL

#41 Dec 28, 2012
Professor wrote:
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Obama spent 6 trillion dollars in four years, socialized medicine, aids our enemies, fast & furious scandal, benghazi scandal, raising taxes and more spending while in a recession. Golfed over 100 games and now on a 4 million dollar vacation while a financial crisis is going on, destroying business with regulations, Dodd frank, etc, etc, etc. I know you worship him, but c'mon!
No worship, not even close. However I am not a paranoid schizophrenic like you that believes that Obama is the devil back on earth. If your pants were too tight after the holidays you believe that Obama somehow got to them and shrunk them. No you just ate too much. Your entire focus, mantra what have you has been about the evil Obama, his marxist, socialist turning us over to our enemies penniless and unarmed has taken over your every thought on here. Its amazing, and I thought Neighbor was relentless.
Concerned Citizen

Crest Hill, IL

#42 Dec 28, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Well, we do have different points of view for sure. Particularly your last statement. My view: In reality our Community empowers the state & federal covernment by accepting the money (with strings attached) they provide for their programs. I have no idea which "privledged individuals"you refer to. Here's a related tought for you: With all the $B's of tax dollars spent on Government funded education programs, the student results have remaied poor overall. Why is it a H S graduate Mom, can Home School her kids, and have her kids score far better on standardized tests? Ironic huh?
My answer would be that it there are a multitude of factors that lead to this. However, I'll go over what I think to be the largest two:

1) A homeschooled child has much more one-on-one time with their teacher than a student at a public school. Most classrooms have about 30 kids and a single teacher. Even the most crowded homeschooling residences don't even come close to that.

2) Those participating in the education have more control. Ultimately, a community-run school would look like (some sort of) home-school. The rules are decided either by teachers, students, or agreed upon by both. When teachers have more control over how classrooms work, that improves their results. Furthermore, when students have more control over how they are learning, and this does sometimes mean teachers having less control, they tend to learn more effectively.

Recommended literature: John Holt's "How Children Fail" and "How Children Learn", "Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling" by John Taylor Ghatto, and, most controversially, specifically for any teenagers who might be reading this post, "The Teenage Liberation Handbook: How to Quit School and Get a Real Life and Education" by Grace Llewellyn.
Concerned Citizen

Crest Hill, IL

#43 Dec 28, 2012
Professor wrote:
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They are parents that actually care. They instill morals, values, and ethics to their children. Extremely important items the democratic party are against. The results are this decline we see going on before our eyes in this country.
You mean they indoctrinate their children with a specific set of morals? I'd much rather my children be allowed to be exposed to and discover many different mindsets so that they can decide for themselves, thank you very much.
mom and dad

New Lenox, IL

#44 Dec 28, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
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You mean they indoctrinate their children with a specific set of morals? I'd much rather my children be allowed to be exposed to and discover many different mindsets so that they can decide for themselves, thank you very much.
Indoctrinate? If you think teaching your children right from wrong and sharing religious beliefs with them is indoctrinating them then you are CLUELESS. I sure don't want this screwed up society influencing my kids, thank you very much!
CC Ideas

Woodridge, IL

#45 Dec 28, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
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You mean they indoctrinate their children with a specific set of morals? I'd much rather my children be allowed to be exposed to and discover many different mindsets so that they can decide for themselves, thank you very much.
This is truly one of the dumbest and least informed opinions I've ever read on here.

Golly, think of the "many different mindsets" one's child could blunder into with CC's laissez faire attitudes: heroin, crime, teen pregnancy, occultism, liberalism, lack of standard morals, and being victimized by others who are bigger and/or stronger.

Your ideas should have been kicked out into the snow to freeze to death in the 1960's. Unfortunately, they are alive and eroding the nation these days.
Concerned Citizen

Crest Hill, IL

#46 Dec 28, 2012
Let me ask you guys a simple question: if your values are the correct values, why do you need to force them on your children from a young age?

If your values are correct, wouldn't your children naturally come to accept them? The only alternative I can see is that you think your children are too stupid to distinguish properly between values and come to accept good ones. I certainly hope that isn't the case; I hope you guys view your children as intelligent enough to come to accept that heroin use is a bad idea, that murder is wrong, etc.

So, if these ideas are right and your children aren't idiots, why do you need to indoctrinate them by exposing them to only one set of beliefs? If your children are intelligent and your beliefs are correct, wouldn't they most likely reject other beliefs anyways because of their intelligence?

It seems to me that the most likely answer is that you don't have that much faith in your own beliefs.

If your beliefs are bad enough that you don't trust an intelligent person to accept them unless they are underexposed to other ideas, then you should probably change your belief system.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#47 Dec 28, 2012
Professor wrote:
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They are parents that actually care. They instill morals, values, and ethics to their children. Extremely important items the democratic party are against. The results are this decline we see going on before our eyes in this country.
My comment was not a criticism of home schooling. It was a reference to a previous debate with Neighbor where he claimed that home schoolers and Sylvan teachers have some magic system that produces brilliant results. Neighbor has tried before to hold up these two methods of education as proof of better results. He fails to recognize the impracticality of initiating this kind of system into the public school curriculum.

If the public school system practiced a one on one policy of education I am sure the standardized testing results would be equally impressive......and drastically more expensive.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#48 Dec 28, 2012
Professor wrote:
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They are parents that actually care. They instill morals, values, and ethics to their children. Extremely important items the democratic party are against. The results are this decline we see going on before our eyes in this country.
Topix used to be filled with varied and interesting subjects that did not all evolve around the letters D and R. Damn shame what has happened to this forum.
mom and dad

New Lenox, IL

#49 Dec 28, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
Let me ask you guys a simple question: if your values are the correct values, why do you need to force them on your children from a young age?
If your values are correct, wouldn't your children naturally come to accept them? The only alternative I can see is that you think your children are too stupid to distinguish properly between values and come to accept good ones. I certainly hope that isn't the case; I hope you guys view your children as intelligent enough to come to accept that heroin use is a bad idea, that murder is wrong, etc.
So, if these ideas are right and your children aren't idiots, why do you need to indoctrinate them by exposing them to only one set of beliefs? If your children are intelligent and your beliefs are correct, wouldn't they most likely reject other beliefs anyways because of their intelligence?
It seems to me that the most likely answer is that you don't have that much faith in your own beliefs.
If your beliefs are bad enough that you don't trust an intelligent person to accept them unless they are underexposed to other ideas, then you should probably change your belief system.
Are you kidding me? This is one of the dumbest posts I've read on here.
Concerned Citizen

Geneva, IL

#50 Dec 29, 2012
mom and dad wrote:
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Are you kidding me? This is one of the dumbest posts I've read on here.
With no explanation as to why it was wrong. Good job. Clap clap.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#51 Dec 29, 2012
Appalled wrote:
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Topix used to be filled with varied and interesting subjects that did not all evolve around the letters D and R. Damn shame what has happened to this forum.
To me it seems to have started full swing in about August in the pre election time period. With the arrival of Professor and My Man Mitt it seemed to boosted Neighbors non stop rhetoric as well. They all seemed to feed off of each other and still do. I tried to tell them before the election that the type of rhetoric they pump out would not help the cause, but they continued and still do. Its like a complete obsession, all the ills of the world are directly attributed back to Obama. To me the last decent thread that did not revolve around this was the one about Balderman and his pension spiking.
Neighbor

Bolingbrook, IL

#52 Dec 29, 2012
hold on: If the thread is political, you do not have to read/comment/post there. Sounds like that's news to you? You complaining about all the times you commented on "our political" threads is kind'a funny. Don't ya think???
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#53 Dec 29, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
hold on: If the thread is political, you do not have to read/comment/post there. Sounds like that's news to you? You complaining about all the times you commented on "our political" threads is kind'a funny. Don't ya think???
Come on, Neighbor. You know what we are talking about. It does not matter if it is a political thread or not, you and your posse find a way to turn it political. My favorite was the "Eyebrow Shaping" thread. It only took nine posts for someone to mention Obama.

I have no problem participating in a good political discussion but this forum has been highjacked by the very people who others avoid at parties. You all end up talking to yourselves until some other unwitting participant joins in and you then target yet another poor soul who will eventually be run off by the undercurrent of disrespect shown to anyone with a differing opinion.

There was a time when ideas were exchanged on this forum. Now it seems to be just a small group of people trolling for victims. Like I said, damn shame.
Professor

United States

#54 Dec 29, 2012
Appalled wrote:
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Come on, Neighbor. You know what we are talking about. It does not matter if it is a political thread or not, you and your posse find a way to turn it political. My favorite was the "Eyebrow Shaping" thread. It only took nine posts for someone to mention Obama.
I have no problem participating in a good political discussion but this forum has been highjacked by the very people who others avoid at parties. You all end up talking to yourselves until some other unwitting participant joins in and you then target yet another poor soul who will eventually be run off by the undercurrent of disrespect shown to anyone with a differing opinion.
There was a time when ideas were exchanged on this forum. Now it seems to be just a small group of people trolling for victims. Like I said, damn shame.
If you listen to the news, read the papers, talk to people,, surf the internet, listen on the CB, THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT. The crippling of their business, their lives, their families lives, their job, gun control, all the issues working famiies are facing today mainly due to obama and his party.Its not just Topix, its everywhere. Its bad tines right now in America. I wish it was not, but unfortunately it is.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#55 Dec 29, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
hold on: If the thread is political, you do not have to read/comment/post there. Sounds like that's news to you? You complaining about all the times you commented on "our political" threads is kind'a funny. Don't ya think???
Ok Neighbor, then dont you or your cohort Professor call me out or put words in my mouth that I never said, example you recently giving me credit for the McDonalds workers issues that I never once said or wrote. So have fun and you and your pal can have your way, talking to yourselves. Thats probably what you want anyway. You two can muck it up and regale each other with your bashing of Obama. It was getting boring anyway verbally beating up Professor, too easy. And you only hear the sound of your own voice anyway. So adios. Have a safe and happy New Year. And unlike Professor I wish no ill will on you or any others regardless of their beliefs or whom they may have voted for.
mom and dad

New Lenox, IL

#56 Dec 29, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
Let me ask you guys a simple question: if your values are the correct values, why do you need to force them on your children from a young age?
If your values are correct, wouldn't your children naturally come to accept them? The only alternative I can see is that you think your children are too stupid to distinguish properly between values and come to accept good ones. I certainly hope that isn't the case; I hope you guys view your children as intelligent enough to come to accept that heroin use is a bad idea, that murder is wrong, etc.
So, if these ideas are right and your children aren't idiots, why do you need to indoctrinate them by exposing them to only one set of beliefs? If your children are intelligent and your beliefs are correct, wouldn't they most likely reject other beliefs anyways because of their intelligence?
It seems to me that the most likely answer is that you don't have that much faith in your own beliefs.
If your beliefs are bad enough that you don't trust an intelligent person to accept them unless they are underexposed to other ideas, then you should probably change your belief system.
You want a better response? Here you go... First of all, children do not have the mental capacity to make decisions such as these. It has nothing to do with intelligence. The human brain is not fully developed until the mid twenties. Why do you think teens and young adults do some crazy, irresponsible things? Children, teens and even young adults need guidance and parents who are involved. It's a parents responsibility to teach them right from wrong aka morals and values right from the get go. When they are old enough and capable enough they will decide for themselves. The same goes for religious beliefs. We as parents hope our children will grow up and continue to follow the way in which they were raised. If they don't it's their decision but I believe most kids who were raised properly will behave properly. Not all but most.
YYoung Gunoung Gun

United States

#57 Dec 29, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
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You mean they indoctrinate their children with a specific set of morals? I'd much rather my children be allowed to be exposed to and discover many different mindsets so that they can decide for themselves, thank you very much.
Most people have children to raise them and instill values and morals. You want someone else to do that for you? You want the government to take over that role? Elaborate.
Concerned Citizen

Geneva, IL

#58 Dec 29, 2012
mom and dad wrote:
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You want a better response? Here you go... First of all, children do not have the mental capacity to make decisions such as these. It has nothing to do with intelligence. The human brain is not fully developed until the mid twenties. Why do you think teens and young adults do some crazy, irresponsible things? Children, teens and even young adults need guidance and parents who are involved. It's a parents responsibility to teach them right from wrong aka morals and values right from the get go. When they are old enough and capable enough they will decide for themselves. The same goes for religious beliefs. We as parents hope our children will grow up and continue to follow the way in which they were raised. If they don't it's their decision but I believe most kids who were raised properly will behave properly. Not all but most.
Your entire argument rests on the brain not being fully developed until the mid-twenties. However, this argument holds no water as you haven't outlined the ways that it develops. As the brain develops, you become mentally capable of more and more things. That's why a 12 year old and a 2 year old have different capacities despite both having a developing brain.

The difference between us is that you're willing to write everyone who is under their mid-twenties off while I want to encourage them to use the developments that they do have so that they can achieve independence and growth, both on a personal level and in their ideas.

Most healthy children, from a very early age, are able to understand the concepts which guide moral principles. They might not be able to understand Kant's ethics, but most adults also lack that understanding. When it comes to right and wrong, the level of knowledge that most people have on the subject, ethics, can be achieved by someone of very young age. I think they can develop well beyond that point.

Read up on Kohlberg's theory of moral development. Most people, that includes adults, are stuck in the first or second stage.

There's an entire field of developmental psychology that you're ignoring here. The claim that brains that aren't fully developed are somehow not capable, universally, of mental tasks is a claim unsupported by current scientific evidence.
Concerned Citizen

Geneva, IL

#59 Dec 29, 2012
YYoung Gunoung Gun wrote:
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Most people have children to raise them and instill values and morals. You want someone else to do that for you? You want the government to take over that role? Elaborate.
No. I believe that children should be allowed to explore different areas of thought and reach their own conclusion. I'm not suggesting someone else should do the indoctrinating; I'm mounting an argument against indoctrination of children as a whole.
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#60 Dec 30, 2012
Professor wrote:
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If you listen to the news, read the papers, talk to people,, surf the internet, listen on the CB, THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT. The crippling of their business, their lives, their families lives, their job, gun control, all the issues working famiies are facing today mainly due to obama and his party.Its not just Topix, its everywhere. Its bad tines right now in America. I wish it was not, but unfortunately it is.
No argument there....but what does any of that have to do with eyebrow shaping? Not being able to hold a discussion without interjecting the word Obama borders on obsession.

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