Everyone Gets Good Grades

Everyone Gets Good Grades

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Professor

United States

#1 Dec 24, 2012
The NL School Districts should adopt the program called "Everyone Gets Good Grades" The program averages out the hard working students grades with those who don't try. Resulting in equality among all students.
failure

Mokena, IL

#2 Dec 25, 2012
That is great news. I got bad grades and nothing for Christmas. Is this starting next year?
lol

Mokena, IL

#3 Dec 25, 2012
NL School District already has this policy in place. Try to find a kid in their system that isn't on the "Honor" list.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#4 Dec 25, 2012
Professor wrote:
The NL School Districts should adopt the program called "Everyone Gets Good Grades" The program averages out the hard working students grades with those who don't try. Resulting in equality among all students.
This should work out good for you. You could submit papers under multiple names and then grade them yourself under another. Ha Ha Ha Ho Ho Ho just admit you are both Professor and Young Gun and that you started the thread and backed yourself up. Its pathetic really. You outed yourself on the Hostess thread, so stop the denial.
Carrie

Chicago, IL

#5 Dec 25, 2012
It's been said before. It's like modern day sports. Everyone gets a trophy just for participating. If you go to school you go to the next grade. No more letter grades, no more being held back or summer school. I don't like it.
Concerned Citizen

Elmhurst, IL

#6 Dec 25, 2012
I know you're trying to draw a metaphor with socialism, but real socialism isn't about equality of outcome, it's about equality of opportunity via public ownership of the means of production. If, in a school, everyone has access to the learning materials, it's essentially a socialist system. Now, let's put forth a capitalist system:

A small percentage of students own all the books, paper, pens, pencils etc. Students must, therefore, work for these capitalist students. They are allowed access to the learning materials and then, after completing the work, the capitalist students take a large amount of the grade produced. The capitalist students end up with straight A's while the workers get C's and D's. There is also a class of unemployed students who failed all of their classes.
Professor

United States

#7 Dec 25, 2012
hold on wrote:
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This should work out good for you. You could submit papers under multiple names and then grade them yourself under another. Ha Ha Ha Ho Ho Ho just admit you are both Professor and Young Gun and that you started the thread and backed yourself up. Its pathetic really. You outed yourself on the Hostess thread, so stop the denial.
The theory is not about who grades the students. It's about equality. This is the new America we are becoming.
Concerned Citizen

Palatine, IL

#8 Dec 25, 2012
Professor wrote:
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The theory is not about who grades the students. It's about equality. This is the new America we are becoming.
I didn't talk about who was grading the students. I put forth an analogy to clarify yours. The difference between socialism and capitalism is who owns the means of production - in capitalism, it's privatized, in socialism, it's public.

This leads to those who own the means of production (or those who own the learning materials in the analogy) having an unfair advantage, getting to be lazy and profit (get good grades) not by merit but because they own the means of production (means of learning).
Professor

United States

#9 Dec 25, 2012
Concerned Citizen wrote:
I know you're trying to draw a metaphor with socialism, but real socialism isn't about equality of outcome, it's about equality of opportunity via public ownership of the means of production. If, in a school, everyone has access to the learning materials, it's essentially a socialist system. Now, let's put forth a capitalist system:
A small percentage of students own all the books, paper, pens, pencils etc. Students must, therefore, work for these capitalist students. They are allowed access to the learning materials and then, after completing the work, the capitalist students take a large amount of the grade produced. The capitalist students end up with straight A's while the workers get C's and D's. There is also a class of unemployed students who failed all of their classes.
Capitalism is the opportunity for all to be successful. Not all will. In socialism you have no opportunity to be successful. You work for the government elitist. The government is your MASTER instead of your servant.
Neighbor

Naperville, IL

#10 Dec 26, 2012
Flawed analogy kiddo. The Public already owns the books, building, teachers, etc... Great results huh? Further, the school administration/teachers have no vested interest in student success (other than personal). There are no repercussions from bad results, mistakes, etc.. Hows that working for you today?

What you fail to realize is that Capitalism is a pay for performance system. Everyone has a chance for success, but it must be earned by you, and you alone. The harder you work, the luckier you get. Yes, there are many people who have worked hard, taken risks, invesgted their time & money to be successful, and did get successful. Just as there are many people who did not work as hard, did not take risks, did not invest time & money, who reap the rewards proportionately to their efforts.

Given a choice, would you send your children to a public school, or one who pays administrators/teachers based upon performance? Which one would have the students work harder? Produce better students? <My point made.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#11 Dec 26, 2012
Professor wrote:
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Capitalism is the opportunity for all to be successful. Not all will. In socialism you have no opportunity to be successful. You work for the government elitist. The government is your MASTER instead of your servant.
And your talk is still nothing more than some BS that you have made up in your pathetic mind. I did not vote or support Obama in either election. He has however been the POTUS for over 4 years. In that time he has not attempted to stop me from working, making money or getting ahead and being successful. He has taken no more from me in taxes than any other administration, in fact in some cases it has been less. He has not tried to limit the amount of overtime I work, He has not stopped me from working any part time jobs. He has not tried to do one thing to stop me from living the way I have wanted to do. And are you ready to admit that you are Young Gun and made up a thread about me and then thanked yourself for doing so, you pathetic miserable ..........
Cool dad

New Lenox, IL

#12 Dec 26, 2012
Sass!
Professor

United States

#13 Dec 26, 2012
hold on wrote:
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And your talk is still nothing more than some BS that you have made up in your pathetic mind. I did not vote or support Obama in either election. He has however been the POTUS for over 4 years. In that time he has not attempted to stop me from working, making money or getting ahead and being successful. He has taken no more from me in taxes than any other administration, in fact in some cases it has been less. He has not tried to limit the amount of overtime I work, He has not stopped me from working any part time jobs. He has not tried to do one thing to stop me from living the way I have wanted to do. And are you ready to admit that you are Young Gun and made up a thread about me and then thanked yourself for doing so, you pathetic miserable ..........
Then you should be very happy in your decision to vote for him. My family business and I have been hurt by his policies, regulations, and taxes.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#14 Dec 26, 2012
Professor wrote:
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Then you should be very happy in your decision to vote for him. My family business and I have been hurt by his policies, regulations, and taxes.
As I stated I did not vote for him. But since you are such big liar and POS that you lie about getting caught red handed using two names on the same thread. Maybe its your morals and business practices that have hurt your business. Maybe its the fact that everyone on here can tell by your posts that you are not the most intelligient person, maybe you are hurting your business. Of course I thought you were a Teamsters Truck driver. Funny in all this time, you never once mentioned being a business owner until now.

And please be specific on what policies, regulations and taxes have hurt your business and how. Its easy to put out a blanket statement like that without any proof or specifics. But hey thats what I have come to expect from a liar, and unethical person such as yourself. You cant even man up to admit you got busted out on the Hostess thread and the thread you started about me. You are a puke with a keyboard to do your bidding.
John Sanchez

Yorkville, IL

#15 Dec 26, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Flawed analogy kiddo. The Public already owns the books, building, teachers, etc... Great results huh? Further, the school administration/teachers have no vested interest in student success (other than personal). There are no repercussions from bad results, mistakes, etc.. Hows that working for you today?
What you fail to realize is that Capitalism is a pay for performance system. Everyone has a chance for success, but it must be earned by you, and you alone. The harder you work, the luckier you get. Yes, there are many people who have worked hard, taken risks, invesgted their time & money to be successful, and did get successful. Just as there are many people who did not work as hard, did not take risks, did not invest time & money, who reap the rewards proportionately to their efforts.
Given a choice, would you send your children to a public school, or one who pays administrators/teachers based upon performance? Which one would have the students work harder? Produce better students? <My point made.
There are also those who squandered a privileged youth, only to be rewarded with the inheritance of great wealth earned by others, after which they become capitalists by virtue of a stock portfolio whose value is enhanced by the labor of others who are not nearly so richly rewarded. But that doesn't fit in with the fairy tale, does it?
Professor

United States

#16 Dec 26, 2012
hold on wrote:
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As I stated I did not vote for him. But since you are such big liar and POS that you lie about getting caught red handed using two names on the same thread. Maybe its your morals and business practices that have hurt your business. Maybe its the fact that everyone on here can tell by your posts that you are not the most intelligient person, maybe you are hurting your business. Of course I thought you were a Teamsters Truck driver. Funny in all this time, you never once mentioned being a business owner until now.
And please be specific on what policies, regulations and taxes have hurt your business and how. Its easy to put out a blanket statement like that without any proof or specifics. But hey thats what I have come to expect from a liar, and unethical person such as yourself. You cant even man up to admit you got busted out on the Hostess thread and the thread you started about me. You are a puke with a keyboard to do your bidding.
Your a liberal nut job. Someone else must posting under my name pretending they are me to screw around. You act like you uncovered some major conspiracy going on. If you are really a cop, you must suck at your job. Your investigate skills are horrible to say the least.
Professor

United States

#17 Dec 26, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
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There are also those who squandered a privileged youth, only to be rewarded with the inheritance of great wealth earned by others, after which they become capitalists by virtue of a stock portfolio whose value is enhanced by the labor of others who are not nearly so richly rewarded. But that doesn't fit in with the fairy tale, does it?
Keep playing the lottery Sanchez!
Concerned Citizen

Geneva, IL

#18 Dec 26, 2012
Professor wrote:
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Capitalism is the opportunity for all to be successful. Not all will. In socialism you have no opportunity to be successful. You work for the government elitist. The government is your MASTER instead of your servant.
That's just rhetoric. "Capitalism is opportunity!" is often exclaimed, but it can never really be justified as a true belief. Under capitalism, there is some movement between classes, but those are exceptions rather than the rule. For the most part, private property allows its owners (backed by government force) to extract wealth from the labour force that they didn't properly earn. Capitalism is theft.

Furthermore, socialism doesn't imply government. Look up "libertarian socialism".
Concerned Citizen

Geneva, IL

#19 Dec 26, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Flawed analogy kiddo. The Public already owns the books, building, teachers, etc... Great results huh? Further, the school administration/teachers have no vested interest in student success (other than personal). There are no repercussions from bad results, mistakes, etc.. Hows that working for you today?
What you fail to realize is that Capitalism is a pay for performance system. Everyone has a chance for success, but it must be earned by you, and you alone. The harder you work, the luckier you get. Yes, there are many people who have worked hard, taken risks, invesgted their time & money to be successful, and did get successful. Just as there are many people who did not work as hard, did not take risks, did not invest time & money, who reap the rewards proportionately to their efforts.
Given a choice, would you send your children to a public school, or one who pays administrators/teachers based upon performance? Which one would have the students work harder? Produce better students? <My point made.
The analogy was not flawed. The current system is not publicly owned, it is owned by the government (there is a distinct difference). Though you were correct that each individual classroom runs in a semi-socialist manner. The only element that really makes it not so is the placement of teachers above the students, but it's still the case that the students have access to paper, pens, books, computers, etc. My point illustrates that socialism does not imply equality of outcome, simply that everyone has access to the means of production (or education, in the analogy). Capitalism, on the other hand, implies no such equality as some are given unjust property grants by the government which allow them to accumulate wealth without producing or contributing anything.

So no, capitalism isn't a pay by effort system. It's a system in which a privileged class owns the means of production and uses said ownership, granted by government force, in order to exploit the working class.

In response to your last question, I'd rather my kids learn on their own and avoid the whole schooling system all-together. But to challenge the basis of your question: public does not imply that teachers cannot be evaluated based on performance. If schools were truly run by the public, you'd expect teachers to be paid on such a basis because parents would want to reward better teachers. That isn't currently the case because schools are not public, they are government owned, and the government has an entirely different set of priorities.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#20 Dec 26, 2012
Professor wrote:
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Your a liberal nut job. Someone else must posting under my name pretending they are me to screw around. You act like you uncovered some major conspiracy going on. If you are really a cop, you must suck at your job. Your investigate skills are horrible to say the least.
Thats it. Thats your reply. Weak and pathetic as always. When called out you post crap like this. Why dont you grow a set and admit you posted under both names, and that you started the thread about me as Young Gun. Then you came out as Professor and thanked yourself for doing so. YOur are one sorry and pathetic individual if you cannot admit you are so weak that you did that. Anyone that read the two posts I spoke of on the Hostess thread can see that you are both posters.
And of course not one shred of evidence that you have any type of business, which you never mentioned before. You are always telling us that you are a Teamster truck driver. And now I ask for specifics about how Obama is hurting your pretend business and you post nothing to back up your smack. You a sad individual at best. And a delusional simpleton without a doubt, keep posting I will keep catching you in your web of lies.

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