Concealed Carry coming to Illinois
deputy dog

Chicago, IL

#42 Dec 19, 2012
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your a lunatic! Automobiles deaths are skyrocketing. You don't care. Bailing out GM only put more dangerous vehicles in the hands of nut jobs! We need a automobile ban immediately. Don't even get me started on those HUGE SUV ASSAULT VEHICLES!
did you catch those varmint bank robbers yet?
John Sanchez

Sugar Grove, IL

#43 Dec 19, 2012
Mr Me wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry if you were a psychopath they would not give you a ccw permit. Wake up. If some of those teachers had a gun on there hip there would have been a lot less kids dead. Think of that one. YES more guns in the RIGHT hands.
There is a vast gulf of difference between becoming proficient with a firearm, and shooting a human being. It takes the military many weeks of immersive training to overcome social mores and condition recruits to accept the idea of killing other people. I submit that educators are likely to be more resistant to that acceptance than is the general public. Add to that the certainty that in the chaotic conditions of a firefight, the step by step procedures of training are likely to go by the wayside, unless they are reinforced through continuous training and practice.

You can't just give a teacher a gun and assume a positive outcome for the execise. That alone makes the idea of arming school teachers or administrators an iffy proposition. It's not what they signed up for, after all.
John Sanchez

Sugar Grove, IL

#44 Dec 19, 2012
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Your a lunatic! Automobiles deaths are skyrocketing. You don't care. Bailing out GM only put more dangerous vehicles in the hands of nut jobs! We need a automobile ban immediately. Don't even get me started on those HUGE SUV ASSAULT VEHICLES!
By all means, start on the urban assault vehicles.
John Sanchez

Sugar Grove, IL

#45 Dec 19, 2012
As an NRA member, I have found that for a long time, the NRA has not been representing its membership except that small fraction of it that consists of gun and ammunition manufacturers. That is why the NRA was behind legislation to make those gun and ammunition manufacturers immune from lawsuits resulting from the use of their products.

You can argue about whether they were right or wrong to favor that legislation, but what you cannot argue about is that it did absolutely nothing for those four million NRA members who are not gun and ammunition manufacturers. The organization has been using its members as nothing more than additional support for their lobbying efforts and right wing political activities.

We have now come to a pass where the inhumanly cruel killings of small children in Connecticut, where the high capacity magazines, whose availability is favored by the NRA, Have contributed a mechanized efficiency to those murders of innocents that have revulsed the American public, possibly leading to overreaction that will not favor NRA members. In this, the NRA has not only failed to properly represent their members, they have, by their actions, caused harm to their members.

Wayne LaPierre, Chris Cox and the rest of the lobbyists in the management, and on the board of NRA have got to go. Why is Grover Norquist sitting on the NRA Board? Why is Ted Nugent, who finds a challenge in pointing a guitar the right way, no less a gun, sitting on the board of the NRA?

It is decades past the time that the NRA must get back to representing its membership, seventy-two percent of whom favor reasonable gun regulation. The NRA should, in fact, be proposing the legislation that will reasonably regulate guns without harming the legitimate sporting and personal protection uses of guns, and help to keep them out of the hands of criminals.

Universal access to firearms is an insane notion. The Supreme Court in its ruling on Heller v. Washington D.C. made a point of noting that the Second Amendment, while providing an individual right to keep and bear arms, does not provide an unrestricted right. They specifically mentioned keeping firearms away from criminals and the mentally ill. By that standard, I would think that Wayne LaPierre might lose his right to carry a firearm.
Tank

Palatine, IL

#47 Dec 19, 2012
If we get ccw it will be a may issue so don't get your hopes up.Remember,we have a liberal gov. and a moron from Chicago as an alleged president.
dmr37

Chicago, IL

#48 Dec 19, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
As an NRA member, I have found that for a long time, the NRA has not been representing its membership except that small fraction of it that consists of gun and ammunition manufacturers. That is why the NRA was behind legislation to make those gun and ammunition manufacturers immune from lawsuits resulting from the use of their products.
You can argue about whether they were right or wrong to favor that legislation, but what you cannot argue about is that it did absolutely nothing for those four million NRA members who are not gun and ammunition manufacturers. The organization has been using its members as nothing more than additional support for their lobbying efforts and right wing political activities.
We have now come to a pass where the inhumanly cruel killings of small children in Connecticut, where the high capacity magazines, whose availability is favored by the NRA, Have contributed a mechanized efficiency to those murders of innocents that have revulsed the American public, possibly leading to overreaction that will not favor NRA members. In this, the NRA has not only failed to properly represent their members, they have, by their actions, caused harm to their members.
Wayne LaPierre, Chris Cox and the rest of the lobbyists in the management, and on the board of NRA have got to go. Why is Grover Norquist sitting on the NRA Board? Why is Ted Nugent, who finds a challenge in pointing a guitar the right way, no less a gun, sitting on the board of the NRA?
It is decades past the time that the NRA must get back to representing its membership, seventy-two percent of whom favor reasonable gun regulation. The NRA should, in fact, be proposing the legislation that will reasonably regulate guns without harming the legitimate sporting and personal protection uses of guns, and help to keep them out of the hands of criminals.
Universal access to firearms is an insane notion. The Supreme Court in its ruling on Heller v. Washington D.C. made a point of noting that the Second Amendment, while providing an individual right to keep and bear arms, does not provide an unrestricted right. They specifically mentioned keeping firearms away from criminals and the mentally ill. By that standard, I would think that Wayne LaPierre might lose his right to carry a firearm.
Intelligent post - are you sure you are on the right forum?
Obama

United States

#49 Dec 19, 2012
deputy dog wrote:
<quoted text>did you catch those varmint bank robbers yet?
I'm working on it. 50K reward offered now!
I 2nd That

United States

#50 Dec 19, 2012
Jack wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't there something more constructive that this psychopath can get more passionate about other than freakin guns?!? What is the exact point of owning an AR-15 semi-automatic weapon? Hunting? Small penis? Somebody please explain that one to me.
The 2nd amendement is outdated and stupid. It's as ridiculous as the original article 1 stating that blacks were three fifths citizens. Yes, the constitution had a lot of stupid things in it. We progress and grow and make changes. It's time for that change.
Frankly, you gun fanatics scare the hell out of me. There's got to be a better hobby out there.
P.S.- someone tell Neighbor, who is about as informed as a 3rd grader, that this dude's mom was not a teacher at the school. He shot is way through the door to get it.
Exactly right on the 2nd amendment. The way I read it, you can possess as many single shot muzzle loaders as you want if you are a member of a militia. That's why the original framers made the Constitution amendable. They knew that they couldn't envision what the future would hold, but were wise enough to realize that it is a living document that occasionally would need updating as the times changed. Like ending slavery and giving women the right to vote, now is one of those times.
NLRes

Tucker, GA

#51 Dec 19, 2012
It's not even the debate over assault weapons it's the fact that a right that has been given to you by your fore fathers is being hindered on! If I truly want to own an assault weapon then legally I have a right as a citizen of a free country to have access to one. Everyone is up in arms about how Obama is a socialist but its because you as a true 'Merican are empowering his increasing power over you. Assault weapons have the place in a gun owners heart they supply large rounds with large clips. I as an 'Merican have to right to protect myself, my family, and my neighbor.
Professor

United States

#52 Dec 19, 2012
The 2nd amendment preserves the right of the citizens to bear arms against any threats. Including the government and criminals!
Never gonna happen

New Lenox, IL

#53 Dec 20, 2012
It will be so watered down when it get voted on, it wont even be funny.
Mike

Tinley Park, IL

#54 Dec 20, 2012
Concealed carry is the best thing to happen in Illinois in a long time. My Ruger LCR is ready to go.
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#56 Dec 21, 2012
I was informed that CCW was coming this year to Illnoise regardless of what Quinn and The Godfather wanted from a CCW instructor. He knows what he is talking about because he follows these things very closely. Quinn had vetoed the bill that had passed twice already. The legislature was getting enough heat to find the votes they would have needed to override his coming veto this year. Then the courts stepped in and told them they had to write a bill in 180 days for Illnoise to have CCW.
So, my point is this; A strong bill will be written by our legislateure and it will pass because that is what Illnoise citizens want. Regardless of what Quinn and The Godfather want. If it's a watered down shall issue type it won't make it out of committee and will be rewritten to cater to the citizen who has been lobbying his Congressman for a very long time, twenty years in fact. Don't think Quinn and The Godfather get the final say in this debate. They were about to lose the latest battle and we would have had CCW by July anyway. The citizens of Illnoise have spoken loud and clear to their legislators. We want CCW! We will get it and it won't be some "shall issue" piece of garbage. I can't wait. I probably won't even carry, but knowing the bad guys won't know who is, is the real benefit to this law.
Neighbor

Streator, IL

#57 Dec 22, 2012
Interting fact & question:

The batman movie shooter in that theater...why did he drive past 3 theaters to arrive at the one he chose? In fact, he lived very close to another theater too. We will never know for sure, but the "other" 3 theaters did not restrice CC. No press on that part huh???
Tank

West Chicago, IL

#58 Dec 22, 2012
Jack wrote:
Oh yeah! Think of how many schools haven't even been shot up yet! More guns.. more guns!!!!
You guys are a bunch of psychopaths.
Jack,your an idiot you think law abiding citizens will create more crime.
Typical respnose from a city boy
Gunner

Chicago, IL

#59 Dec 31, 2012
I own many weapons. Including semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns. I and my family have for over a century shot weapons for pleasure and sustanancs. We teach gun safety to our children and lock up the weapons when they are not in use. My 12 y/o daughter is a great shot. I believe the founding fathers knew what they were dioing by giving us the second amendment. The rigt to bear arms. This was and is intended to protect , us, the citizens from our own government. The second amendment was and is intened to protect you and me from tyranny of a autocratic leader in power I believe that it is our duty to own and be proficient with arms. Ask the Russians when the communist took over, the Germans when the nazis took over and many other tyrants that subjugated there populas by removing all weapons from the populace. It's control. I hope this shows some light to this subject
Gunner

Chicago, IL

#60 Dec 31, 2012
Professor wrote:
Chicago has the strictest gun laws on the books in this country. They are the only city without the right to conceal carry. They have the most gun crimes and murders in the country. "Guns For All & All for Guns" That is the proven deterrent to crime!
Chitcago just joined the 500 Club. No not that one. The 500 MURDERS for this year. Good thing they have those restrictive laws. Otherwise it could have been carnage.The best part is Obama will do to the rest of the country what he has done to Chicago.
Professor

United States

#61 Dec 31, 2012
Gunner wrote:
<quoted text>
Chitcago just joined the 500 Club. No not that one. The 500 MURDERS for this year. Good thing they have those restrictive laws. Otherwise it could have been carnage.The best part is Obama will do to the rest of the country what he has done to Chicago.
Its a communist movement headed by Chicago politics all the way up to Obama. They don't give a crap about the murders. Only use the stats for their communist agenda against the people. Hitler and Stalin supported gun control too. People need to wake up and reject these evil forces against our freedom.
Gunner

Chicago, IL

#62 Dec 31, 2012
Jack wrote:
Oh yeah! Think of how many schools haven't even been shot up yet! More guns.. more guns!!!!
You guys are a bunch of psychopaths.
Jack: And this is my serious voice. Please find yourself a place to go and recieve treatment for all this anger you feel toward your fellow armed citizens. For we will carry the burden and protect you from all the is not right outside the Ivory Tower you apparently live in. Perhaps a nice "resort" would do....
Gunner

Chicago, IL

#63 Dec 31, 2012
John Sanchez wrote:
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Jack, I believe that the correct plural to be applied to them is a "gaggle of psychopaths".
I think Jack sould google gaggle!

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