Charter fitness at rt 30 and Spencer ...
Right direction

Chicago, IL

#42 Mar 22, 2013
Good riddance wrote:
<quoted text>
I am management and I wouldn't hire you. You have a very bad attitude.
I have a great attitude, have worked the same job for 24 yrs at same place and have seen at least 12 managers like you come and go. Problem with people like you is that cause of your position you think you can act like a dictator but guess what people like you come and go all the time cause you have zero people skills. I wouldn't work for a person like you.
Neighbor

Carol Stream, IL

#43 Mar 24, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
What's with those "Proud Union Family" signs in front yards? Makes the neighborhood look trashy. I bet the Union told them to put them up huh? Has anyone checked to see if there was that Union Printer Lable on those signs? Probably made in China.... <grin
(I know, just sirring the pot here...)
Pro union here.

The union home signs don't make new Lenox look trashy. new Lenox makes new Lenox look trashy. Bunch of cheap, fake ass republicans live around here. If you wear dockers with gym shoes then you know who you are
Warrior fo life

New Lenox, IL

#44 Mar 31, 2013
doug wrote:
<quoted text>Your a liar!
Point out which part I lied about. There is not one lie in that statement. That wasn't the intent of the post. Union labor has priced itself out of the game. Owners and developers are just flat out refusing to build because labor is too expensive. About 18 months ago I did a proposal for a developer, he had bid the job out about two years before and still owned the land. He figured because there were so many general tradesmen out of work he could build the building for less. Every trade had gone up since the last bid. He asked me " how in the heck did all of your labor go up when there are so many out of work?" I said our labor has gone up 12% since you last went out for bid. He said you guys are nuts I'll never build, I'll sit on this property. There is a common misconception that if you are in the non union trade you make minimum or low wages. That's just not true.

I love when someone says the unions are run like a corporation. Our union corporation would have and should have gone BK 4 years ago. They are barrowing 1 million per month just to stay afloat. I'll even more honest its really not even the wages that kill its the benefits. I was paying 5k per month per man if they worked a 40.
retired union guy

Flagler Beach, FL

#45 Mar 31, 2013
Warrior fo life wrote:
<quoted text>
Point out which part I lied about. There is not one lie in that statement. That wasn't the intent of the post. Union labor has priced itself out of the game. Owners and developers are just flat out refusing to build because labor is too expensive. About 18 months ago I did a proposal for a developer, he had bid the job out about two years before and still owned the land. He figured because there were so many general tradesmen out of work he could build the building for less. Every trade had gone up since the last bid. He asked me " how in the heck did all of your labor go up when there are so many out of work?" I said our labor has gone up 12% since you last went out for bid. He said you guys are nuts I'll never build, I'll sit on this property. There is a common misconception that if you are in the non union trade you make minimum or low wages. That's just not true.
I love when someone says the unions are run like a corporation. Our union corporation would have and should have gone BK 4 years ago. They are barrowing 1 million per month just to stay afloat. I'll even more honest its really not even the wages that kill its the benefits. I was paying 5k per month per man if they worked a 40.
unions are all crooks, believe me, I was one! and still am! greedy whinny lazy SOB's the current guys! wwhen I was woring we worked hard. all union workers complain about everything thats why unions are getting a bad wrap.
doug

Mokena, IL

#46 Mar 31, 2013
Warrior fo life wrote:
<quoted text>
Point out which part I lied about. There is not one lie in that statement. That wasn't the intent of the post. Union labor has priced itself out of the game. Owners and developers are just flat out refusing to build because labor is too expensive. About 18 months ago I did a proposal for a developer, he had bid the job out about two years before and still owned the land. He figured because there were so many general tradesmen out of work he could build the building for less. Every trade had gone up since the last bid. He asked me " how in the heck did all of your labor go up when there are so many out of work?" I said our labor has gone up 12% since you last went out for bid. He said you guys are nuts I'll never build, I'll sit on this property. There is a common misconception that if you are in the non union trade you make minimum or low wages. That's just not true.
I love when someone says the unions are run like a corporation. Our union corporation would have and should have gone BK 4 years ago. They are barrowing 1 million per month just to stay afloat. I'll even more honest its really not even the wages that kill its the benefits. I was paying 5k per month per man if they worked a 40.
I think you're lying about being a Union member, and you are lying about taking a payroll check for two years. If you have a history in the trades at all you should be well aware that labor costs as well as material, go up every year reguardless of the economy. Within those two years, the cost of living,groceries,gas,etc. had gone up. It's people like that who think it's ok to take advantage of someone, by asking them to take a lower pay when things are slow, make me sick. You were paying a wage that worker deserved quit being so greedy learn how to bid work, and be selective of the workers you have.If everyone had your mentality twords union labor, and its workers, we would be a poor society and YOU wouldn't have work to bid. Builders are still building, and are continuing to pay for labor as they did before 2008. Banks also are still giving money as they did. I started out non union and it was horrible for me and my work partners. The owner had always held our jobs over our head threatening to get rid of us. Most of us had a family and didn't have insurance and couldn't afford to get it. Union bashing was a normal occurance on the job telling us the union dues were outrageous. I finally took my chances and am greatfull I did. It was the best move I could have made.
Rainman

New Lenox, IL

#47 Mar 31, 2013
The difference is as follows:
Union, workers make prevailing wage and boss pays for benefits.
Non Union: boss pays whatever he feels like paying, no benefits, and a new Cadillac or boat for homself every year. Worker might not have a clue and butcher job costing more $$ in the long run.
I'll keep it simple, people's court on in 5 min, Wapner.
Baby cakes

Mokena, IL

#48 Mar 31, 2013
Rainman wrote:
The difference is as follows:
Union, workers make prevailing wage and boss pays for benefits.
Non Union: boss pays whatever he feels like paying, no benefits, and a new Cadillac or boat for homself every year. Worker might not have a clue and butcher job costing more $$ in the long run.
I'll keep it simple, people's court on in 5 min, Wapner.
Price yourself out of a job, it doesn't matter what you think you should get paid because the reality is you don't get paid.
Rainman

New Lenox, IL

#49 Mar 31, 2013
Baby cakes wrote:
<quoted text>
Price yourself out of a job, it doesn't matter what you think you should get paid because the reality is you don't get paid.
. Oh really? I count a lot of toothpicks, and fast, faster than you. Now I'm in the union and your not. I do get paid because I'm on the payroll. I get paid prevailing wages, how about you. I have benefits, how about you. I will count more toothpicks than you and get paid more because I deserve it. Now go to bed so your boss can take advantage of you tomorrow...his corvette is almost the old style so rest up.
Many concerns

Orland Park, IL

#50 Mar 31, 2013
Who is the developer and builder? Is it Perry?
Rainman

New Lenox, IL

#51 Apr 1, 2013
Many concerns wrote:
Who is the developer and builder? Is it Perry?
. Um, yes, about a hundred dollars.
Warrior fo life

New Lenox, IL

#52 Apr 1, 2013
@doug wake up and take an English and an economics class. I've been in the trades for 20 years and history does not tell us that material and labor go up every year. They go up because demand exceeds supply. If there is no demand the market says the price of the widget has to go down or you sell no widgets. You can choose not to be in the widget business which many union contractors have done. The smart ones took the money and closed the doors. I resent the fact you call me a liar regarding my situation. Shall a start naming names of union contractors that have gone out of business in all trades? The 597 guys, 399 guys and local 17 are really the only ones doing well. Here I'll start the list Babco Construction started by Ben Bornstein. Very successful developer downtown was in business 47 years and closed because labor was too expensive and there wasn't enough work. Shall I continue? Because I can do this all day long.
Tyler Durdin

Mokena, IL

#53 Apr 1, 2013
All the non union comments are encouraging to me, perhaps the people of America are finally waking up instead of being led blindly down the path of destruction.
Pension reform is next. Anyone who thinks they "deserve" a pension is nuts. Pensions are unsustainable from the get go. All you have to do is look at the State of Illinois, last in every category and run by Democrats. You wonder how long it will take for people to make the correlation.
My Charter membership will always be active for setting a great example and taking the lead.
Question

Frankfort, IL

#54 Apr 2, 2013
Why doesn't anyone talk about the public unions which are the real issue when it comes to unions. Retirement pensions over 90k a year. The tax payer in this state cannot handle it. I'm tired of getting taxed over and over cause of this. Can't wait to move out of illinois .
Professor

Mokena, IL

#55 Apr 2, 2013
Question wrote:
Why doesn't anyone talk about the public unions which are the real issue when it comes to unions. Retirement pensions over 90k a year. The tax payer in this state cannot handle it. I'm tired of getting taxed over and over cause of this. Can't wait to move out of illinois .
I agree. I do talk out against it on here. I talk out against everything good that is being destroyed in America. There is so much, I never run out of issues to talk about!
Professor

Mokena, IL

#56 Apr 2, 2013
Tyler Durdin wrote:
All the non union comments are encouraging to me, perhaps the people of America are finally waking up instead of being led blindly down the path of destruction.
Pension reform is next. Anyone who thinks they "deserve" a pension is nuts. Pensions are unsustainable from the get go. All you have to do is look at the State of Illinois, last in every category and run by Democrats. You wonder how long it will take for people to make the correlation.
My Charter membership will always be active for setting a great example and taking the lead.
Well stated!
green tea

New Lenox, IL

#57 Apr 2, 2013
you people are stupid...
a union company did the site work
a union crane set the walls and swung the steel
so i ask u who is building NON union
Terrence

Mokena, IL

#58 Apr 3, 2013
green tea wrote:
you people are stupid...
a union company did the site work
a union crane set the walls and swung the steel
so i ask u who is building NON union
Heating/Air,Electrical,Carpent ers,Painters,Drywallers,Floori ng. Thanks FOIA!
dig deeper I always say

Greenwood, IN

#59 Apr 6, 2013
Charter owner is backed by an extremely misinfomed investor that does not do background checks on the person he/she is backing. Check Will County Recorder of Deeds public information.
Warrior fo life

New Lenox, IL

#60 Apr 7, 2013
green tea wrote:
you people are stupid...
a union company did the site work
a union crane set the walls and swung the steel
so i ask u who is building NON union
This is even more fantastic than I thought. He picked union contractors that he needed to get the job done and those contractors did the work regardless of the non union trades that were coming in complete the project.

@doug which banks are lending to contractors, developers and builders as they were before 2008. To get a revolving line of credit as a construction firm most banks need that firm to be profitable for 5 straight years, the stockholders all have to credit scores above 750 and must have assets exceeding the amount being borrowed and receivables do not count anywhere close to what they used to.
Warrior fo life

New Lenox, IL

#61 Apr 7, 2013
That's a free market folks. Ray chose the companies he wanted not the companies that were forced on him..

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