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Troutman, NC

#1 Oct 3, 2007
CAN ANYONE TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT JERRY MCCLOUD HOW LONG HAD HE BEEN GOING TO THE PARK? HOW DID HE EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE PARK? IT IS REALLY HARD KNOWING THAT HE WOULD RATHER BE DEAD THAN HAVE TO FACE PEOPLE AND THERE JUDGEMENT. I DONT AGREE WITH THIS LIFESTYLE BUT LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL. ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL MISS JERRY VERY MUCH. IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION IT WOULD JUST HELP BRING CLOSURE TO THIS HORRIBLE TRADGEDY.
im sorry

United States

#2 Oct 4, 2007
i dont know anything about this person, but i think that the family of this man needs to be filling a wrongful death suit against the newspaper for posting his name, address, and phone number because he was CHARGED with a misdemeanor crime. His blood is on the hands of the local media, and i hope that someone takes action.
report discrimination

United States

#3 Oct 4, 2007
The Johnson City Press also posted photos of the men charged. How often do they post photos of people charged with "disorderly conduct?" Ethics in newspaper publishing? A joke in Tennessee. Report biased media coverage to GLAAD here https://www.glaad.org/action/report.php
Forget the tired cliche of "closure," take action. Get the newspaper to acknowledge and change its harmful policy. Lots of luck.
netfather

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#4 Oct 5, 2007
report discrimination wrote:
The Johnson City Press also posted photos of the men charged. How often do they post photos of people charged with "disorderly conduct?" Ethics in newspaper publishing? A joke in Tennessee. Report biased media coverage to GLAAD here https://www.glaad.org/action/report.php
Forget the tired cliche of "closure," take action. Get the newspaper to acknowledge and change its harmful policy. Lots of luck.
Reply: The Johnson City newspaper did a great service to the decent people in this area. This is a public park, used by families with children. Perhaps you folks should find more private surroundings for your follies! Why would you expect privacy in a public park, and why would you object to public scrutiny for your conduct? Perhaps you folks should make better decisions in several areas!
netfather

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#5 Oct 5, 2007
im sorry wrote:
i dont know anything about this person, but i think that the family of this man needs to be filling a wrongful death suit against the newspaper for posting his name, address, and phone number because he was CHARGED with a misdemeanor crime. His blood is on the hands of the local media, and i hope that someone takes action.
Reply: What is wrongful? If he were innocent, he could have objected, and fought the case in court.
There is only one person responsible for how one lives his life, that is the person living the life, or ending it, as the case may be. I do have a great sympathy for this man, help was available, had he sought it. The media is not at fault, the media did its job, without prejudice.
im sorry

United States

#6 Oct 5, 2007
netfather wrote:
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Reply: What is wrongful? If he were innocent, he could have objected, and fought the case in court.
There is only one person responsible for how one lives his life, that is the person living the life, or ending it, as the case may be. I do have a great sympathy for this man, help was available, had he sought it. The media is not at fault, the media did its job, without prejudice.
Reply: Oh it was the media's job to give out his address?
JDN

United States

#7 Oct 5, 2007
If there is such a problem, rather than arrest dozens of citizens why dont they just have a visible police presence? Same with problems with drugs and prostitution - why wait for a big problem when a awful lot of the problem would never occur with more visible police presence.
im sorry

United States

#8 Oct 5, 2007
JDN wrote:
If there is such a problem, rather than arrest dozens of citizens why dont they just have a visible police presence? Same with problems with drugs and prostitution - why wait for a big problem when a awful lot of the problem would never occur with more visible police presence.
My guess is they would rather have the glory of making a "huge bust" than just solving the problem.
another thought

Lebanon, TN

#9 Oct 5, 2007
One has to wonder about the leaders in JC...For years the park has been known as Queer Deer Park/ Buffalo park was Buffalo Hump Park. The college (ETSU)is widely well known as openly gay.The medical college and the hospitals are staffed with very many gays. When my wife was in labor she was treated by a VERY GAY M.D.. Dr.H. we will say as a pseudonem. The good Mayor Dr. Roach knows there is a large gay community in J.C.. If he denies knowledge of the problem then he need not run again as he is way, way out of touch !!! The PD is obviously in dire need of better management because this problem is 10 years old and they now arrive to save the day???Wow , what a response time!J.C. should sell both parks...they can't run them , keep them safe, or protect the public so getting out of the business would make some sense. It all goes back to leadership or the lack of it.That's just another thought.
Irony at its Best

Lebanon, TN

#10 Oct 5, 2007
I've watched the news for the entire week on channel 11 WJHL. How painful it must have been for these folks.I know just about all these people and it is amazing that they could keep straight faced doing this story about winged deer etc.If the public only knew more about those reporting the news it would be awsome to say the least. Next time you get the chance ask them what category they would fall in hypothetically. Gay/not gay/ Bi-sexual/straight/ Promiscous/cellibrate/wife abuser/happily married/ unhappily married/ just living with someone/children in wed lock/ no. of children out of wed lock.etc Then watch them run to aother story . What irony...
My Perspective

United States

#11 Oct 6, 2007
Obviously the police do this kind of activity to be intented as a "deterrent measure" to eliminate future events of this kind. I would ask them if such a deterrent measure is worth Mr. McCloud's life? While it's sad that our society is such that gay men feel the need to remain closeted and seek out clandestine sexual encounters, it's worse that our police force and the media feel justified in effectively "outing" 40 men who had only been "charged" with misdemeanor crimes. There have been other effective "deterrent measures" employed at other parks in the area with the same problem...not just by adding a "visible police presence" but by removing or adapting areas where such behavior is prevelent. From the JC PRESS, "In an effort to eliminate areas of opportunity within the parks, authorities said they plan to destroy the Man Cave at Winged Deer Park, possibly with a controlled burn." My guess is that pre-emptive measures like this would be infinitely more effective than outing 40 men, and listing who's a pastor, teacher, etc. Sadly a controlled burn at remote park won't sell many newspapers.... While no one can condone this type of behavior, it's not as if this activity were taking place on the picnic tables or park benches. Again from the JCPress:“Part of this took place off the paved trails. There’s a thing out there (at Winged Deer Park) they’ve evidently termed the ‘Man Cave,’” Lowry said.“It’s a good way off the paved trail. It’s underbrush that’s grown up and resembles a cave.” Additional questions for the authorities; one can't help but wonder how many crimes were committed, how many cases sat idle, and how much resources were expended during this two-week "sting" operation "well off the paved trails" and out of site of most park users? Is this the best use for JC's resources?
One-sided reporting

Kingsport, TN

#12 Oct 6, 2007
netfather wrote:
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Reply: What is wrongful? If he were innocent, he could have objected, and fought the case in court.
There is only one person responsible for how one lives his life, that is the person living the life, or ending it, as the case may be. I do have a great sympathy for this man, help was available, had he sought it. The media is not at fault, the media did its job, without prejudice.
i personally have no sympathy for those who were arrested, but i do feel printing their addresses is unnecessary. once again the press has been jury and judge, just like the state's case against phillips and mullins. they were convicted by the press before it ever went to trial.
netfather

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#13 Oct 6, 2007
Remarkable! Most folks want freedom for the press, until that freedom exposes their darker side! Perhaps it would be more appropriate for folks to keep their private lives, well, private.
It is insane to condemn the media for doing their job. This was a tremendous service to the local community. Kudos to the media.

While spotlights cause the rodents to scurry, it calls for more light, not less! Only the rodents complain!
netfather

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#14 Oct 6, 2007
One-sided reporting wrote:
<quoted text>i personally have no sympathy for those who were arrested, but i do feel printing their addresses is unnecessary. once again the press has been jury and judge, just like the state's case against phillips and mullins. they were convicted by the press before it ever went to trial.
Reply: As I understand you, you have no problem with the accuracy of the reporting, only that it was reported? Remarkable! Hear no evil, etc.
netfather

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#15 Oct 6, 2007
JDN wrote:
If there is such a problem, rather than arrest dozens of citizens why dont they just have a visible police presence? Same with problems with drugs and prostitution - why wait for a big problem when a awful lot of the problem would never occur with more visible police presence.
Reply: Instead of hiring enough police officers to police the park 24/7, at taxpayer expense, why not just arrest the perpetrators? You seem to be going out of your way to protect the criminals. The police presense is adequate to arrest the offenders. What is wrong with that?
netfather

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#16 Oct 6, 2007
another thought wrote:
One has to wonder about the leaders in JC...For years the park has been known as Queer Deer Park/ Buffalo park was Buffalo Hump Park. The college (ETSU)is widely well known as openly gay.The medical college and the hospitals are staffed with very many gays. When my wife was in labor she was treated by a VERY GAY M.D.. Dr.H. we will say as a pseudonem. The good Mayor Dr. Roach knows there is a large gay community in J.C.. If he denies knowledge of the problem then he need not run again as he is way, way out of touch !!! The PD is obviously in dire need of better management because this problem is 10 years old and they now arrive to save the day???Wow , what a response time!J.C. should sell both parks...they can't run them , keep them safe, or protect the public so getting out of the business would make some sense. It all goes back to leadership or the lack of it.That's just another thought.
Reply: Point is:? Of course we know that any college town has a large homosexual component.
Most wise fishermen fish where the fish are, I,E, young people. What is your point? Should we simply abandon our young people seeking higher education to the grinning professors? Why don't we simply start in the first grade, as in Mass.?
netfather

AOL

#17 Oct 6, 2007
We know that most professions which cater to youths have a large homosexual population. I.E., Catholic and other priests, teachers, etc. Why? The NCIC, has the answer. The NCIC (FBI) has been tracking crime statistics for decades. The NCIC tells us that each year, roughly a third of child molestation cases are male-on-male, of these, about 87% are committed by admitted, practicing homosexuals. Consider, each year, a third of child molestation cases are committed by 3% of the population. What does this mean for you and me? It tells us that the male homosexual in our school, church, or neighborhood is 10-20 times more likely to molest our children than other normal men. Yet we are asked, as parents and grandparents, to accept this risk in the interest
of "diversity"? Forgive me, I reject this insanity. I reject the term of "diversity" to replace the term of "perversion" in our language. A rose by any name is still a rose, and so is a pervert!
I have lived long enough on this Earth to observe a few givens: Dogs chase cats, foxes eat chickens, and homosexual men prey on young boys.
No amount of political correctness will change these facts. The good people of Tennessee seem to have the facts well in hand, witness the 2006 vote.
anonymous

Kingsport, TN

#18 Oct 7, 2007
netfather wrote:
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Reply: As I understand you, you have no problem with the accuracy of the reporting, only that it was reported? Remarkable! Hear no evil, etc.
i do have a problem of the reporting by jc press. they only print half stories instead of the entire truth. nothing wrong with printing arrests but leave the the supposed facts in the case to be argued in court.
Pourquoi

Wilmer, AL

#20 Oct 7, 2007
Netfather, Rodents scurrying? Why the dehumanization?
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Troutman, NC

#23 Oct 7, 2007
netfather wrote:
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Reply: Instead of hiring enough police officers to police the park 24/7, at taxpayer expense, why not just arrest the perpetrators? You seem to be going out of your way to protect the criminals. The police presense is adequate to arrest the offenders. What is wrong with that?
I have learned alot in this ordeal. you never know when its going to be your brother or uncle or son or anyone close to you, so you should be careful what you say not to protect the one that has done wrong but his family didnt do anything and no matter what you still love them and it breaks your heart to hear people say bad things about them yes it was a very bad thing that all these men did but have sympathy for the family. If you can think about what if this happened to your son how would you feel? i dont agree with it do you think if he thought his family and friends thought this lifestyle was exceptable he would have killed himself? im not saying he shouldn't have been arrested im just saying i think things would have been differant if his picture and address and name hadnt been on the news and in the papers. if you think this is going to fix the problem you are wrong because alot of the men doing this probably dont care and only a few get hurt so why not just arrest them punish them and be done with it. i have thought alot about it and really anyone arrested shouldn't be put in the paper no names or anything should be released until they go to court and are found guilty what if the court didnt think there was enough evidence to prove guilt too bad because everyone has already read about it and your name has been drug through the mud people dont forget what they have heard. if this would have happened to someone i didnt know i would have probably been one of the people saying serves them right so thats why i hope this doesnt have to come home to you to get you to see that saying things hurts more that just the one doing the wrong. i hope no one you know ever makes a mistake.

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