Obamacare... the real deal

Obamacare... the real deal

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Hillbillyboy

United States

#1 Sep 28, 2013
Remember the nice promises we were told about Obamacare?

Here is a little video about the truth behind Obamacare.



But its only just now making landfall. The facts will get worse once all final resistance has been overwhelmed by the brute political force of the DNA facing the GOP surrenderist.

But you can sign this petition.

http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/

Already over 1.9 millions of people have signed it. If enough of us do, we can make a difference.

Peace!
Pro

Watauga, TN

#2 Sep 28, 2013
You and Ron Ramsey should get together and blow each other. You pro lifers sure like to get people killed.

You're both worthless KOCHSUCKERS and the worst part of humanity.

In the end, God will get you both.
New socialist Amerika

United States

#3 Oct 1, 2013
Realistically, does this surprise anyone that Obamacare is a disaster? 2700 pages of regulations all enacted by a government that can't walk and chew gum simultaneously?

As a funding move the Obama care will take $700 Billion from Medicare payments to healthcare providers. What do you think will happen as 10,000 people each day sign up for Medicare with the reimbursements being reduced. Good luck in finding a doctor. OH did they say it would cost at least 1.3 TRILLION more than the demonrats said originally?

The problem is, about 20% of America isn't online. How many new IRS and more government union jobs will this create for taxpayers to pay?
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#4 Oct 2, 2013
New socialist Amerika wrote:
Realistically, does this surprise anyone that Obamacare is a disaster? 2700 pages of regulations all enacted by a government that can't walk and chew gum simultaneously?
As a funding move the Obama care will take $700 Billion from Medicare payments to healthcare providers. What do you think will happen as 10,000 people each day sign up for Medicare with the reimbursements being reduced. Good luck in finding a doctor. OH did they say it would cost at least 1.3 TRILLION more than the demonrats said originally?
The problem is, about 20% of America isn't online. How many new IRS and more government union jobs will this create for taxpayers to pay?
More people tried to sign up yesterday than have signed this petition. Why don't you want everyone to have health care coverage? What coverage do you have to feel so self rightious?
Mike

Marion, VA

#5 Oct 2, 2013
Well said Needed.....
What now

Baltimore, MD

#6 Oct 2, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text> More people tried to sign up yesterday than have signed this petition. Why don't you want everyone to have health care coverage? What coverage do you have to feel so self rightious?
You do recognize that the ACA didn't give ONE SINGLE PERSON insurance, right? Not ONE. What id did do, is cause everyone to be required to BUY insurance. This isn't a single payer program like people keep acting like it is, so please stop ignoring the facts on this, and do a little investigating for yourself.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#7 Oct 2, 2013
What now wrote:
<quoted text>
You do recognize that the ACA didn't give ONE SINGLE PERSON insurance, right? Not ONE. What id did do, is cause everyone to be required to BUY insurance. This isn't a single payer program like people keep acting like it is, so please stop ignoring the facts on this, and do a little investigating for yourself.
I wish it was single payer. I do recognize that yesterday was the beginning of a six month enrollment period. During this time individuals and families can sign up for insurance with private companies. There is an income threshold of 400% of the poverty level. This translates into subsidies for an individual who earns $46,000 or below. I do not believe anybody knows how this program will ultimately work, but I hope it will help people like me and my family. We are currently uninsured. None of our employers provide coverage and we ended up dropping coverage in 2010. When we first purchased the policy in 2002 it was $220 per month. In 2010 it was increased to $760. We could not afford it. I hope the ACA helps. It might and it might not. I feel like opposition is opposition to the unknown. That, to me, is not rational.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#8 Oct 2, 2013
What now wrote:
<quoted text>
You do recognize that the ACA didn't give ONE SINGLE PERSON insurance, right? Not ONE. What id did do, is cause everyone to be required to BUY insurance. This isn't a single payer program like people keep acting like it is, so please stop ignoring the facts on this, and do a little investigating for yourself.
Our insurance was incrementally increased to $760. It wasn't raised from $220 to $760 all at once. Our representatives in Congress should work together to get everyone in America insured.
What now

Baltimore, MD

#9 Oct 2, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text> Our insurance was incrementally increased to $760. It wasn't raised from $220 to $760 all at once. Our representatives in Congress should work together to get everyone in America insured.
So what is your monthly premium (and deductables) under ACA compared to your $760 plan before?
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#10 Oct 2, 2013
What now wrote:
<quoted text>
So what is your monthly premium (and deductables) under ACA compared to your $760 plan before?
I have no idea. I hope it's better, but if its not well go from there. I haven't been on the exchange yet. I got on it last week to see how to navigate it, but I figured I'd wait until the initial rush was over. We are under the threshold, so we hope the premiums are better than $760. Nobody knows until they see for themselves. I don't think it will be long until we all begin to hear what others will be paying. I only wish our legislators would work for people like us and make insurance available at affordable rates.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#11 Oct 2, 2013
What about you?
The Whole Truth

United States

#12 Oct 2, 2013
A retired Constitutional lawyer has read the entire proposed health care bill.
Read his conclusions and pass this on as you wish.
This is stunning!
The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney
Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional.
What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.
To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.
The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business,and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.
However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred,or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.
The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.
The Whole Truth

United States

#13 Oct 2, 2013
cont

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.
The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;
The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of
the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
I copied this but it was too good to pass up
exempt me

United States

#14 Oct 2, 2013
Ed Smith

Knoxville, TN

#15 Oct 2, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text> I have no idea. I hope it's better, but if its not well go from there. I haven't been on the exchange yet. I got on it last week to see how to navigate it, but I figured I'd wait until the initial rush was over. We are under the threshold, so we hope the premiums are better than $760. Nobody knows until they see for themselves. I don't think it will be long until we all begin to hear what others will be paying. I only wish our legislators would work for people like us and make insurance available at affordable rates.
So what gets me is this:

Let's say you can now afford the premiums ( with subsidies ) and you get the basic plan....the Bronze one.

HOW the heck is someone gonna come up with the co-pays, the deductible ( thousands ) and the co-insurance ( 40% up to the max out of pocket, around 12,000 )??

Answer: they aren't.

So what good does it do to "buy insurance" you can't afford to use ?

Well, it makes insurance companies happy, getting the private and govt money in the form of premiums....but not having to pay out in claims.

And it makes politicians happy, since they can claim we all have health insurance now......

But in the end, are you any better off ?
Connie

Banner Elk, NC

#16 Oct 2, 2013
The Whole Truth wrote:
cont
This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.
The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;
The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of
the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
I copied this but it was too good to pass up
At least make your lies convincing. This essay is in reference to house bill 3200, which was never passed. The affordable care act is house bill 3590, which was passed and found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court. This thing you've posted is not even in reference to the bill that passed. You all will post anything that you read that fits your ideology as truth.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#17 Oct 2, 2013
Ed Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
So what gets me is this:
Let's say you can now afford the premiums ( with subsidies ) and you get the basic plan....the Bronze one.
HOW the heck is someone gonna come up with the co-pays, the deductible ( thousands ) and the co-insurance ( 40% up to the max out of pocket, around 12,000 )??
Answer: they aren't.
So what good does it do to "buy insurance" you can't afford to use ?
Well, it makes insurance companies happy, getting the private and govt money in the form of premiums....but not having to pay out in claims.
And it makes politicians happy, since they can claim we all have health insurance now......
But in the end, are you any better off ?
. I agree. I wish this was single payer because the working poor cannot afford high deductibles. I heard a news report earlier on the radio that said just as much. Also I know when I was young I wouldnt dream of spending my $$ on insurance. We will see what happens. As of now I'm for it.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#18 Oct 2, 2013
The Whole Truth wrote:
cont
This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn't stop there though.
The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;
The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of
the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the U.S. Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
I copied this but it was too good to pass up
Connie is right. This is not about the ACA.
Demonrats are muderers

United States

#19 Oct 3, 2013
Obamacare is going to cost the children of tomorrow $2 trillion just over the next 10 years."

and murder millions more in the future.....

and (fools) believe the left-wing news media ..... REALLY
The Truth

United States

#20 Oct 3, 2013
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