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Lets assume Mitt Romney is a Mormon because he said he was last week. OK, then he uses the book of a Mormon as his belief systems and politics.(Almost all Repiblican candidates suck in 60% of the Haitian vote by saying that they think there should be no SEPERATION of church and state and that they will only vote for Christian candidates.

The bible states in several places not to add or subtract or change anything. Mitt Romneys bible has OVER 9000 changes to it. Joseph Smith, it's founder, claimed that he found these magical tablets and that only he could interpret them by burying his face in his hat, he could see what God wanted him to change in the bible.

Deut. 12:32
Proverbs 30:6
Revelation 22:18-19

Lastly, 2Thessalonians 2:4 says that the bad guy WILL EXALT HIMSELF AS GOD.

Chritians do not believe that A man can become a god. the Book of Mormon says that you can. Mitt Romney thinks that he can become a god. It will likely be a Mormon who "exalts himself as god"

Now get out there, you Christians, and vote against the existing Christian in the White House and vote for a Mormon who thinks that he can become a god. And ten years from now when 1/3 of the planet is dead and your Grandkids ask you how you were fooled into voting for a non-Christian. Just tell them "I didn't want anybody to get food stamps that they didn't deserve."
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Oct 15, 2012
 
Quotations from Mormon Leaders on the Christian Faith
by James White
http://vintage.aomin.org/Quotations.html

We hear it over and over again. "We never put down other churches. That's not Christian." Or, a variant on this theme is, "You have strengthened my testimony, because you are persecuting the Church!" Often LDS people interpret any disagreement with their beliefs as "persecution" or "bashing," and claim that their Church would never do that!

Yet, in reality, disagreement and refutation is not persecution. If it is, then Paul was "persecuting" the Judaizers in Galatia when he wrote such a strong letter denouncing their beliefs (the book of Galatians). Christians are to stand for the truth, and "refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). In fact, it is an act of love to speak the truth (see our on-site e-tract, Why Do You Do This?).

But there is another reason LDS people should not cry "Foul!" when encountering strong disagreement with LDS beliefs. It's a matter of simple consistency. As the following quotations show, Mormon leaders, and even Mormon scripture, denounce the Christian faith! Why is it fair for Joseph Smith to say all other churches are "corrupt," yet Christians cannot reply by saying Joseph Smith was in error?

"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore whoso belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10)

"Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." (Documentary History of the Church, Introduction, xl)

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"We may very properly say that the sectarian world do not know anything correctly, so far as pertains to salvation. Ask them where heaven is?- where they are going to when they die?-where Paradise is!-and there is not a priest in the world that can answer your questions. Ask them what kind of a being our Heavenly Father is, and they cannot tell you so much as Balaam's ass told him. They are more ignorant than children." (Brigham Young, JD 5:229).

"The Christian world, I discovered, was like the captain and crew of a vessel on the ocean without a compass, and tossed to and fro whithersoever the wind listed to blow them. When the light came to me, I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness." (Brigham Young, JD 5:73).

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true." (Joseph Smith, DHC 1:6)
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Oct 15, 2012
 
Quotations from Mormon Leaders on the Christian Faith
by James White
http://vintage.aomin.org/Quotations.html

"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists." (Joseph Smith, DHC 2:319)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...brother Heber C. Kimball was beset by a number of Baptist priests who had been attending a conference. He read them all down out of the New Testament....With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world." (Brigham Young, JD 8:199).

"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, "Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84).

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60)

"And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act." (Orson Pratt, OP-WA, "The Kingdom of God," no.2, p.6)

"...all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who recieves baptism or the Lord's supper from their hands will highly offend God, for he looks upon them as the most corrupt people." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg. 255)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." (Brigham Young, JD 6:176)

"Evil spirits control much of the so-called religious worship in the world; for instance, the great creeds of Christendom were formulated so as to conform to their whispered promptings." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.246)

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christiandom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common orgin. They belong to Babylon." (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p.324)

Finally, note the views of Mormon Prophet Brigham Young regarding the Christian view of Jesus Christ:

"You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Saviour, undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an account of his origin...I have frequently thought of mules, which you know are half horse and half ass, when reflecting upon the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought many a time" (Journal of Discourses 4:217).
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Oct 15, 2012
 
Elmer Gantry wrote:
Quotations from Mormon Leaders on the Christian Faith
by James White
http://vintage.aomin.org/Quotations.html
"I spoke of the impropriety of turning away from the truth, and going after a people so destitute of righteousness as the Methodists." (Joseph Smith, DHC 2:319)
"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)
"...brother Heber C. Kimball was beset by a number of Baptist priests who had been attending a conference. He read them all down out of the New Testament....With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world." (Brigham Young, JD 8:199).
"The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon...." (Orson Pratt, Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, "Divine Authenticity," no.6, p.84).
"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60)
"And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act." (Orson Pratt, OP-WA, "The Kingdom of God," no.2, p.6)
"...all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who recieves baptism or the Lord's supper from their hands will highly offend God, for he looks upon them as the most corrupt people." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg. 255)
"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)
"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth." (Brigham Young, JD 6:176)
"Evil spirits control much of the so-called religious worship in the world; for instance, the great creeds of Christendom were formulated so as to conform to their whispered promptings." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.246)
"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christiandom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common orgin. They belong to Babylon." (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p.324)
Finally, note the views of Mormon Prophet Brigham Young regarding the Christian view of Jesus Christ:
"You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Saviour, undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an account of his origin...I have frequently thought of mules, which you know are half horse and half ass, when reflecting upon the representations made by those divines. I have heard sectarian priests undertake to tell the character of the Son of God, and they make him half of one species and half of another, and I could not avoid thinking at once of the mule, which is the most hateful creature that ever was made, I believe. You will excuse me, but I have thus thought many a time" (Journal of Discourses 4:217).
So, the LDS would consider Christians "infidels"? Sounds about right. Maybe the great sea mentioned in Daniel that the four beasts come out of is the great salt lake.
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I love how the liberals who ridicule us for our belief in God suddenly want to use Him as part of their campaign strategy. Typical hypocrites.
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Booker Phillips wrote:
I love how the liberals who ridicule us for our belief in God suddenly want to use Him as part of their campaign strategy. Typical hypocrites.
As an Independent I can see the rationale behind the religion issue. If I remember correctly that is all the Conservatives did to Obama in his campaign for office in 2008. I remember people completely freaking out that Obama would take his Presidential Oath with his hand on the Qu'ran. Those same people are the individuals who now dismiss, or will not even address, the fact that Romney will indeed take the oath with his hand on the Book of Mormon if elected. I can see the hypocritical side to it & I believe that religion & politics do not mix. However, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words, both sides do it so there is no valid argument or excuse for it. I am sure that you believe that a Mormon is better than a Christian (called a Muslim) in the Oval Office. This suits your side of the argument.
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Perspective wrote:
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As an Independent I can see the rationale behind the religion issue. If I remember correctly that is all the Conservatives did to Obama in his campaign for office in 2008. I remember people completely freaking out that Obama would take his Presidential Oath with his hand on the Qu'ran. Those same people are the individuals who now dismiss, or will not even address, the fact that Romney will indeed take the oath with his hand on the Book of Mormon if elected. I can see the hypocritical side to it & I believe that religion & politics do not mix. However, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words, both sides do it so there is no valid argument or excuse for it. I am sure that you believe that a Mormon is better than a Christian (called a Muslim) in the Oval Office. This suits your side of the argument.
You don't believe that religion and politics should mix, but you think what is "good for the goose is good for the gander." And you're a self-proclaimed Independent. You have a hard time with commitment, don't you?
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I love how the liberals who ridicule us for our belief in God suddenly want to use Him as part of their campaign strategy. Typical hypocrites.
We are Christians who have read the BIBKE and beloved it. If that makes us HYPOCRITS , then so be it. But there is no debate that Mitt Romneys beliefs and the bible are two entirely different things. Vote for him if you will, but you WON'T be voting for a Christain with Christian values.......period!
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The debate is on as we speak here.Watch as a godless Mormon speaks easy to the Southern baptist and persuades them to vote AGAINST every principle that the bible speaks of. He is of Satan. Of he wins control, you will not recognize America in 8 years and yes , he would be reelected, because the state thugs would have free run over the next elections ,,,if there even are elections in the future
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You don't believe that religion and politics should mix, but you think what is "good for the goose is good for the gander." And you're a self-proclaimed Independent. You have a hard time with commitment, don't you?
No, not at all. I have been with the same company since graduation from the University of Tennessee in 1998 & did not leave when the grass looked greener on the other side. I have been married to my wife for 14 years & do not ever plan on that ever changing. All of my children come first & foremost in my life, whatever the outcome may be. I just do not see how anybody can be a party voter such as yourself. You will defend evil just to back your team & to me that is truly pathetic. This is not Tennessee football we are discussing here. I would state that you have a hard time thinking outside of the box don't you? I would define you as the sheep we hear about all of the time. Human beings are not thrown into a black & white category sir or ma'am, there is such a thing as a grey area. I believe in the grey area & manage my life, job, employees, family, and household on the same philosophy. I would bet that you still defend "W" as well don't you? I am not a self proclaimed Independent, I am registered as a Moderate Independent as I have always been.
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Also, Booker Phillips? How do Religion & Politics mix in the current election? How do your Religious beliefs support your vote in the upcoming election? How do Religion & Politics mix in any election these days in America?
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No, not at all. I have been with the same company since graduation from the University of Tennessee in 1998 & did not leave when the grass looked greener on the other side. I have been married to my wife for 14 years & do not ever plan on that ever changing. All of my children come first & foremost in my life, whatever the outcome may be. I just do not see how anybody can be a party voter such as yourself. You will defend evil just to back your team & to me that is truly pathetic. This is not Tennessee football we are discussing here. I would state that you have a hard time thinking outside of the box don't you? I would define you as the sheep we hear about all of the time. Human beings are not thrown into a black & white category sir or ma'am, there is such a thing as a grey area. I believe in the grey area & manage my life, job, employees, family, and household on the same philosophy. I would bet that you still defend "W" as well don't you? I am not a self proclaimed Independent, I am registered as a Moderate Independent as I have always been.
Wow! That is absolutely amazing how you were able to take a mundane statement intended for humor, analyze its meager content, and arrive at an in-depth opinion of who you think I am - all the while providing us an autobiography of your life. Not only am I impressed, I feel so much closer to you now.

As for your inability to comprehend single party affiliation, let me give you a little lesson. Most people who espouse themselves with a particular party do so because they have synonymous beliefs and values with that party. My beliefs - pro life, smaller government, self-reliance, gun rights, American pride, traditional marriage preservation, decreased government dependency, etc - coincide with the Republican party. Therefore, I vote Republican. Pretty simple concept, huh? I don't know if that makes me a "sheep" or proves I have the inability to "think outside the box," but at least I take a stand for something (and don't feel the need to rely on cheesy cliches).
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Also, Booker Phillips? How do Religion & Politics mix in the current election? How do your Religious beliefs support your vote in the upcoming election? How do Religion & Politics mix in any election these days in America?
It has been my experience that the majority of the people who vote Republican do so because they associate themselves with the majority of the party's core values, not just religion. Most people who vote Democrat do so because they associate with only one or two of the party's core values, I.e. support for gay marriage, tolerance of homosexuality, relaxed views towards drug legalization, government dependency, etc. So, for someone like me, religion is certainly a factor in making my presidential choice, but not the sole deciding factor.
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I love how the liberals who ridicule us for our belief in God suddenly want to use Him as part of their campaign strategy. Typical hypocrites.
Honestly, this is an extremely ignorant statement & you know it. I guess now all Democrats are Agnostic & Atheist based on your rationale. Go ahead & type your long rebuttal based on your bigotry Us versus Them perspective to let us know who you really are. I just think of Star Wars, the entire story has a Biblical theme as George Lucas has stated, when it is confirmed that Anikan Skywalker is a Sith (Evil). Anikan states "you are either with me, or against me" Obi Wan replies "Only a Sith (extreme Evil, could be Satan in the Bible) deals in absolutes". Do you get the point of how your statements sound? I have never found a Republican who carries ALL of the party values, nor a Democrat for that matter. However, per your statement, you put everybody into a judgemental category huh? You are either with me, or against me right? Judgement......interesting.
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Billy Graham is a Democrat...
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Honestly, this is an extremely ignorant statement & you know it. I guess now all Democrats are Agnostic & Atheist based on your rationale. Go ahead & type your long rebuttal based on your bigotry Us versus Them perspective to let us know who you really are. I just think of Star Wars, the entire story has a Biblical theme as George Lucas has stated, when it is confirmed that Anikan Skywalker is a Sith (Evil). Anikan states "you are either with me, or against me" Obi Wan replies "Only a Sith (extreme Evil, could be Satan in the Bible) deals in absolutes". Do you get the point of how your statements sound? I have never found a Republican who carries ALL of the party values, nor a Democrat for that matter. However, per your statement, you put everybody into a judgemental category huh? You are either with me, or against me right? Judgement......interesting.
My statement reference is to those liberals who do not believe in God. Had I intended it to mean ALL liberals, I would have stated, "...ALL liberals who ridicule us...." You can put your Star Wars dolls away now, no harm meant to you liberals who believe in God.
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Billy Graham is a Democrat...
...who has removed Mormonism from the cult list on his website and has pledged his support to Mitt Romney."

“As I approach my 94th birthday, I realize this election may be my last,” Graham says in the ad.“I believe it is vitally important that we cast our ballots for candidates who base their decisions on biblical principles and support the nation of Israel. I urge you to vote for those who protect the sanctity of life and support the biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/...
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YouTube | Just As I Am: Democrat & Evangelist Billy Graham
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42% of Protestants will vote Obama and even a higher rate of Catholics. Those making the most noise about being Christians, simply are not.

One thing is absolutely creating. Romney is not and Obama is.

I will cast my Protestant Christian vote for the only Christin in the race. Barack Obama
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Oct 18, 2012
 
Well, so much for the Freedom of Religon right in the constitution. They might as well take that part out of it based on the above posts. East Tennessee politics are amazing! I have an idea, why not vote for the person who is most qualified and can best lead the country out of the mess we are in? Who cares if that person is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist or whatever. Narrow-mindedness isn't a recipe for long term prosperity in this country.

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