What the Bible says about Homosexuals - You will be shocked

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Mike

Elizabethton, TN

#1 Dec 20, 2013
Anyone who knows me knows very well how I feel about homosexual people and their life style. After reading and watching the news about 'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson anti-gay remarks I have a lot of mixed feelings about the whole thing. As I support Phil partly as he being a man with faith he should be allowed to express how he feels. Being an American gives him that right... Or does it? Yes he said what he thinks is right and I can not judge him on that but by saying what he did I would say he hurt some peoples feeling. Even some of his fans that micht be Gay.
My thing is I turned to a good friend this afternoon and talked with him about it. at first I did not understand my friends ways of understanding. I always thought the Bible spoke badly of Homosexuals. I found it talks more about Drunks,Thiefs and liers than it does about Gays/Homosexuals. Below Is the entire text my friend sent me. I sat in my living room with my Bible and looked all these verses up. As I finshed It was like the hand of God reached down and touched me. and for the first time in my life I had no hate for Homosexual's . I can not explain the feeling I have right now... It just feels like a ton of bricks has been lifted off my chest.
There are seven mentions of homosexual acts in the Bible
2 refer to rape (Genesis 19:5, Judges 19:22)
1 refers to prostitution and pederasty (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)
4 are nonspecific (Leviticus 18:21-22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:8-10)
Old Testament
The first mention in the Bible is in Genesis 19:1-13. The wicked men of Sodom attempted a homosexual rape of two messengers from God who had come to visit Lot. As a result of this and other widespread wickedness, God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in a storm of fire and brimstone.
The next two mentions are in Leviticus
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.(NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)
If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.(NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)
Life was harsh in early Old Testament times. The wanderings and struggle for survival of the Israelites did not permit prisons or rehabilitation. Anyone who deviated seriously from the norm was either stoned to death or exiled. The Old Testament prescribed the death penalty for the crimes of murder, attacking or cursing a parent, kidnapping, failure to confine a dangerous animal resulting in death, witchcraft and sorcery, sex with an animal, doing work on the Sabbath, incest, adultery, homosexual acts, prostitution by a priest's daughter, blasphemy, false prophecy, perjury in capital cases and false claim of a woman's virginity at the time of marriage.
It must be emphasized that, according to the New Testament, we are no longer under the harsh Old Testament Law (John 1:16-17, Romans 8:1-3, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21). The concern with punishment is now secondary to Jesus' message of repentance and redemption. Both reward and punishment are seen as properly taking place in eternity, rather than in this life.
In the Old Testament,, homosexual activity was strongly associated with the idolatrous practices of the pagan nations surrounding Israel. In fact, the word "abomination," used in both mentions of homosexual acts in Leviticus, is a translation of the Hebrew word tow' ebah which means something morally disgusting, but it also has a strong implication of idolatry2. Thus, many Bible scholars believe the condemnations in Leviticus are more a condemnation of the idolatry than of the homosexual acts themselves3,4. However, that interpretation is not certain.
durrr

Jonesborough, TN

#2 Dec 21, 2013
All kind of a moot point actually since more and more people now believe the bible is just a book of stories written by men vs the word of a deity. I personally believe there's some good lessons in there but, as a whole, it's so judgmental against anything unless it's extremely conservative and some of it is just downright crazy.

As far as this hillbilly doing interviews, he has a right to say whatever he wants but he should expect a backlash if he says outrageous, absurd things like comparing homosexual relations to bestiality. It works this way with anyone else given their 15 minutes of fame (sports, politics, religion, etc) and it won't change with some unkempt idiot who looks to be just a couple generations away from being a caveman.
Mike

Elizabethton, TN

#3 Dec 21, 2013
I can kinda agree with you about the Bible being a little judgmental. You o have a good point. But what youdo not have a grip on is you yourself bein judgmental.

Why do you call him a Hillbilly - Do you know how a Hillbilly live? I can tell you they do not live in a big nice home. You also say he is unkept. Why do you say that is it because he has long hair and a beard?

I have long hair and a beard almost as log as his. For that act Christ had long hair and a beard.

It would m nice "durrr " if you read the following and try
not to be self-righteous or shun or discriminate against those we consider to be "sinners" (Matthew 9:10-13, Luke 7:36-48, 18:9-14).
Further, Jesus told us to eliminate the sins in our own lives rather than passing judgment or looking down on others. For if we judge other people harshly, we will, in turn, be judged harshly:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.(NIV, Matthew 7:1-2)
Snake Eyes

Johnson City, TN

#4 Dec 21, 2013
durrr wrote:
All kind of a moot point actually since more and more people now believe the bible is just a book of stories written by men vs the word of a deity. I personally believe there's some good lessons in there but, as a whole, it's so judgmental against anything unless it's extremely conservative and some of it is just downright crazy.
As far as this hillbilly doing interviews, he has a right to say whatever he wants but he should expect a backlash if he says outrageous, absurd things like comparing homosexual relations to bestiality. It works this way with anyone else given their 15 minutes of fame (sports, politics, religion, etc) and it won't change with some unkempt idiot who looks to be just a couple generations away from being a caveman.
I think the man is a marketing genius. He has turned a show about tight-knit family values, prayer, and moral beliefs into the most successful cable TV show currently airing. Not only has he used the show as a catalyst to espouse his Christian beliefs (which seems to be what makes the show so popular), he has been able to contradict the liberal media's astounding efforts to convince Americans that homosexuality has become overwhelmingly accepted.

The enormous support being shown the Robertson family, American's massive showing of support for Chick-Fil-A's COO last year, and the many state votes that are successful in banning gay marriage are just a few examples of the truer indicators of how Americans really feel than the skewed and manipulated polls being bombarded upon Americans daily by the liberal media.

What makes the whole Duck Dynasty and Chik-Fil-A incidents, the court reversals disallowing bans on gay marriage despite popular votes otherwise, and many other examples so hilarious is that the gay community would rather ignore such incidents and live in the fantasy world that they are becoming more accepted. It's as if they have worked so diligently to come out of the closet only to realize that they never truly emerged from it in the first place.
durrr

Jonesborough, TN

#5 Dec 21, 2013
Mike wrote:
I can kinda agree with you about the Bible being a little judgmental. You o have a good point. But what youdo not have a grip on is you yourself bein judgmental.
Why do you call him a Hillbilly - Do you know how a Hillbilly live? I can tell you they do not live in a big nice home. You also say he is unkept. Why do you say that is it because he has long hair and a beard?
I have long hair and a beard almost as log as his. For that act Christ had long hair and a beard.
It would m nice "durrr " if you read the following and try
not to be self-righteous or shun or discriminate against those we consider to be "sinners" (Matthew 9:10-13, Luke 7:36-48, 18:9-14).
Further, Jesus told us to eliminate the sins in our own lives rather than passing judgment or looking down on others. For if we judge other people harshly, we will, in turn, be judged harshly:
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.(NIV, Matthew 7:1-2)
I referred to him as a hillbilly because that's what he portrays himself to be on TV.
durrr

Jonesborough, TN

#6 Dec 21, 2013
Snake Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the man is a marketing genius. He has turned a show about tight-knit family values, prayer, and moral beliefs into the most successful cable TV show currently airing. Not only has he used the show as a catalyst to espouse his Christian beliefs (which seems to be what makes the show so popular), he has been able to contradict the liberal media's astounding efforts to convince Americans that homosexuality has become overwhelmingly accepted.
The enormous support being shown the Robertson family, American's massive showing of support for Chick-Fil-A's COO last year, and the many state votes that are successful in banning gay marriage are just a few examples of the truer indicators of how Americans really feel than the skewed and manipulated polls being bombarded upon Americans daily by the liberal media.
What makes the whole Duck Dynasty and Chik-Fil-A incidents, the court reversals disallowing bans on gay marriage despite popular votes otherwise, and many other examples so hilarious is that the gay community would rather ignore such incidents and live in the fantasy world that they are becoming more accepted. It's as if they have worked so diligently to come out of the closet only to realize that they never truly emerged from it in the first place.
I don't think most gay people give a rat's ass if you accept them or not. Having gay friends and a family member we have had discussions on this very topic. With more and more states each year allowing gay people to marry, it's obvious that views such as yours are increasingly in the minority. I would never encourage my family member or my friends to hide who they are. They are not flamboyant and do not spend their days riding around in parade floats half naked waving rainbow flags as some of the ignorant conservative masses would have people believe. They are all educated professionals and I doubt you would ever know their sexual orientation if they didn't tell you. I would also bet you have at least one family member who is gay and you don't even know it. Something to think about.
Local Venue

Johnson City, TN

#7 Dec 21, 2013
Snake Eyes wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the man is a marketing genius. He has turned a show about tight-knit family values, prayer, and moral beliefs into the most successful cable TV show currently airing. Not only has he used the show as a catalyst to espouse his Christian beliefs (which seems to be what makes the show so popular), he has been able to contradict the liberal media's astounding efforts to convince Americans that homosexuality has become overwhelmingly accepted.
The enormous support being shown the Robertson family, American's massive showing of support for Chick-Fil-A's COO last year, and the many state votes that are successful in banning gay marriage are just a few examples of the truer indicators of how Americans really feel than the skewed and manipulated polls being bombarded upon Americans daily by the liberal media.
What makes the whole Duck Dynasty and Chik-Fil-A incidents, the court reversals disallowing bans on gay marriage despite popular votes otherwise, and many other examples so hilarious is that the gay community would rather ignore such incidents and live in the fantasy world that they are becoming more accepted. It's as if they have worked so diligently to come out of the closet only to realize that they never truly emerged from it in the first place.
A local venue cancelled an appearance by him due to his investing in a winery. I guess the Baptists complained about that!
Common Man

Johnson City, TN

#8 Dec 21, 2013
The Bible as you know it was translated by King James' s squires. He was given complete editorial discretion in regards to what was added to or taken away. Take that for what you will. He did take and add to the bible.
Snake Eyes

Johnson City, TN

#9 Dec 22, 2013
durrr wrote:
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I don't think most gay people give a rat's ass if you accept them or not. Having gay friends and a family member we have had discussions on this very topic. With more and more states each year allowing gay people to marry, it's obvious that views such as yours are increasingly in the minority. I would never encourage my family member or my friends to hide who they are. They are not flamboyant and do not spend their days riding around in parade floats half naked waving rainbow flags as some of the ignorant conservative masses would have people believe. They are all educated professionals and I doubt you would ever know their sexual orientation if they didn't tell you. I would also bet you have at least one family member who is gay and you don't even know it. Something to think about.
If this Phil Robertson situation proves nothing to you, it should prove to you that the gay community DOES give a rat's ass whether they are accepted or not. It's not enough to be tolerated, they want people to forego their beliefs and values to accept them. Those not willing to forego their values and beliefs must be censored and vilified so the ignorant liberal masses can be fooled into believing that homosexuality is becoming more accepted while the most telling indicators of the truth are ignored.

And yes, I do have gays in my family and one of my long time golf partners is gay. I am blessed to have excellent relationships with all of them. They are smart enough to know that there are many in this country whose beliefs don't coincide with theirs and they are fine with that. I know you're feeble mind won't allow you to grasp this concept, but you can love a person without approving of their lifestyle; it doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition.
Snake Eyes

Johnson City, TN

#10 Dec 22, 2013
Local Venue wrote:
<quoted text>A local venue cancelled an appearance by him due to his investing in a winery. I guess the Baptists complained about that!
Does it really matter?
Christ Is Lord

Kingsport, TN

#11 Dec 22, 2013
Common Man wrote:
The Bible as you know it was translated by King James' s squires. He was given complete editorial discretion in regards to what was added to or taken away. Take that for what you will. He did take and add to the bible.
You know absolutely nothing of Bible translation. The Bible has been compared to the same scrolls and texts used by King James' scholars. Not only did they translate it accurately and without bias, King James gave specific orders that nothing be removed or added and they held to that. Contrary to what people like to believe, the different versions of the Bible aren't translations of translations. They are simply current translations of the same original texts. Yes, some are more dead on accurate such as the ESV and the NASB but the King James still stands very strong as very accurate translation.
durrr

Jonesborough, TN

#12 Dec 22, 2013
Snake Eyes wrote:
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If this Phil Robertson situation proves nothing to you, it should prove to you that the gay community DOES give a rat's ass whether they are accepted or not. It's not enough to be tolerated, they want people to forego their beliefs and values to accept them. Those not willing to forego their values and beliefs must be censored and vilified so the ignorant liberal masses can be fooled into believing that homosexuality is becoming more accepted while the most telling indicators of the truth are ignored.
And yes, I do have gays in my family and one of my long time golf partners is gay. I am blessed to have excellent relationships with all of them. They are smart enough to know that there are many in this country whose beliefs don't coincide with theirs and they are fine with that. I know you're feeble mind won't allow you to grasp this concept, but you can love a person without approving of their lifestyle; it doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition.
Since you've decided to lower the bar on this conversation by insulting me, let me follow you there but for a moment to say this. You apparently don't have the capacity for intelligent thought if you can't follow what I said before. You're like most (insert name of ignorant, hypocritical, conservative idiot here, i.e. Rush Limbaugh) types who can't see beyond their own selfish, discriminatory beliefs. The fact that Robertson is getting heat doesn't mean the homosexual community cares what he thinks...it means they're not going to let some ignorant, bigoted piece of shit say idiotic things and get away with it. And I'm sure if your golfing "partner" knew you harbored such ignorance and hatred he wouldn't be your golfing partner for long. I'm surprised you would be around him...aren't you afraid you'll catch something accidentally touching one of his golf clubs? Talk about feeble minded. I'll let you get back to your Fox "news" now. Merry Christmas.
Local Venue

Johnson City, TN

#13 Dec 22, 2013
Snake Eyes wrote:
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Does it really matter?
Probably not. He seems to be offending several groups of people. I'm not gay and I don't drink, but ignorant never did appeal to me!
Anne

Jonesborough, TN

#14 Dec 22, 2013
durrr wrote:
All kind of a moot point actually since more and more people now believe the bible is just a book of stories written by men vs the word of a deity. I personally believe there's some good lessons in there but, as a whole, it's so judgmental against anything unless it's extremely conservative and some of it is just downright crazy.
As far as this hillbilly doing interviews, he has a right to say whatever he wants but he should expect a backlash if he says outrageous, absurd things like comparing homosexual relations to bestiality. It works this way with anyone else given their 15 minutes of fame (sports, politics, religion, etc) and it won't change with some unkempt idiot who looks to be just a couple generations away from being a caveman.
This "caveman" is a successful millionaire. Are you?
durrr

Jonesborough, TN

#16 Dec 23, 2013
Anne wrote:
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This "caveman" is a successful millionaire. Are you?
So you measure the success of a man by how many dollars he has? That tells a lot about what kind of person you are as well.
Snake Eyes

Johnson City, TN

#17 Dec 23, 2013
durrr wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you've decided to lower the bar on this conversation by insulting me, let me follow you there but for a moment to say this. You apparently don't have the capacity for intelligent thought if you can't follow what I said before. You're like most (insert name of ignorant, hypocritical, conservative idiot here, i.e. Rush Limbaugh) types who can't see beyond their own selfish, discriminatory beliefs. The fact that Robertson is getting heat doesn't mean the homosexual community cares what he thinks...it means they're not going to let some ignorant, bigoted piece of shit say idiotic things and get away with it. And I'm sure if your golfing "partner" knew you harbored such ignorance and hatred he wouldn't be your golfing partner for long. I'm surprised you would be around him...aren't you afraid you'll catch something accidentally touching one of his golf clubs? Talk about feeble minded. I'll let you get back to your Fox "news" now. Merry Christmas.
That was a lovely, little hissy fit; your ilk will be so proud.

I guess this is the part where your hypocritical argument supporting gays and your ten cent MSNBC stereotypes are supposed to make the clouds part, the angels sing, and make me have that "aha" moment where I suddenly profess my acceptance of a lifestyle that is both biologically and morally wrong, huh? Better not hold your breath.

You see, every time your ilk tries to suppress the beliefs of someone like Phil Robertson, the backlash you receive only serves to dispel the propaganda being shoved down our throats by the liberal media and reinforces the truth about who is actually the majority in this country. Either accept tolerance or go back to your closets where your delicate psyches won't have to suffer the throes of rejection.

Oh, and before I forget, my golfing buddy says mind your own damn business. Taking my money on the golf course, babysitting my daughters, and having served as an usher in my wedding are enough just rewards for him no matter what my beliefs are.
Snake Eyes

Johnson City, TN

#18 Dec 23, 2013
Local Venue wrote:
<quoted text>Probably not. He seems to be offending several groups of people. I'm not gay and I don't drink, but ignorant never did appeal to me!
I love how non-gays who support the gay lifestyle feel the need to let others know they're not gay. Freakin' hilarious!!!!!
Mike

Elizabethton, TN

#19 Dec 23, 2013
This pos is directed to durrrr

I knew when I posted this topic some woulld try to make it heated debate and some would start name calling and insulting other posters. And after all everyne that has posted here it turns out you are the person throwing around cuss words and not respecing other posters.

Please do not cuss or call people names...... Thank you
Venue

Johnson City, TN

#20 Dec 23, 2013
Snake Eyes wrote:
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I love how non-gays who support the gay lifestyle feel the need to let others know they're not gay. Freakin' hilarious!!!!!
But, true. We don't have to be gay to have an understanding of people's need to be loved or to love. When I was about 14, I didn't think, "now am I going to like girls or boys?" The biological attraction was there. I can love members of my own sex, but not be attracted to them sexually. My gay friends are very kind, loving people, who I've seen do many good things to help others. I also don't hear them bashing "straight" people for their orientation. Sometimes, it would be a good thing for us to just mind our own business and make an effort to make life pleasant for all! Merry Christmas
may

Erin, TN

#22 Dec 23, 2013
The only people you need to fear, are the ones that are die hard Christians and claim to be straight.

They will get you drunk and try to have gay sex with you in a blink of an eye.

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