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#25 Aug 12, 2012
hillbillyboy wrote:
The "Proof" for evolution continues to fall apart. Things like the Iconic "Lucy" now being proven to not even be in the human family tree...to stuff like this...
Dismantling Whale Evolution - YouTube
► 9:48► 9:48
www.youtube.com/watch...
Evolution is falling apart like sands slipping through Darwins fingers. That is because 21st century science is debunking the 19th century assumptions of evolution.
Even though evolutionist spent the 20th century trying to make the evidence fit the theory (round pegs in square holes), 21st century science is catching up to evolution, and devastating it.
The Bible, on the other hand, continues to be proven to be extremely accurate and reliable. Lets watch a video on how this works out...
Seventy Weeks Of Daniel - YouTube
► 10:54► 10:54
www.youtube.com/watch...
See the difference? It isnt even close.
Now, lets try to have a good debate based on science, and lets keep it civil?
your poof theory is just dumb. I love how you foolishly attempt to prove science wrong but stick to magic, delusional

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#26 Aug 12, 2012
First validate the book of bullshit and specify which version of stupidity you are referring too. Evolution is easily proven just look around. The book of bullshit just speaks of unrealistic magic. "poof theory".
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#27 Aug 12, 2012
666 _Anti_christ_666 wrote:
First validate the book of bullshit and specify which version of stupidity you are referring too. Evolution is easily proven just look around. The book of bullshit just speaks of unrealistic magic. "poof theory".
Tell us about speciation, please? Perhaps some examples?

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#28 Aug 14, 2012
hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us about speciation, please? Perhaps some examples?
keep digging bitch. try to rationalize the poof theory.
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#30 Aug 14, 2012
666 _Anti_christ_666 wrote:
<quoted text> keep digging bitch. try to rationalize the poof theory.
If ye cannot answer a simple 6th grade science question, why should anyone take you seriously?

Honestly, your presence here is nothing more than a funmake.

You just dont have sense enough to know that people are laughing at you.
Faceless God

Johnson City, TN

#31 Aug 14, 2012
And where is thi faceless god evrybody fears he wil send you to hell but then he loves you.
If one live to watch you tube they are very well still in ape mode.If you want to watch a good show watch ZEITGEIST and if you are dumb hillbilly that means spirit of the times.
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#32 Aug 14, 2012
Faceless God wrote:
And where is thi faceless god evrybody fears he wil send you to hell but then he loves you.
If one live to watch you tube they are very well still in ape mode.If you want to watch a good show watch ZEITGEIST and if you are dumb hillbilly that means spirit of the times.
Perhaps you have some science to contribute? Perhaps you would like to show us an example of speciation for us to examine?
Here it is

Johnson City, TN

#33 Aug 14, 2012
We've seen it happen naturally without our tampering with the process. From the FAQ:

"Three species of wildflowers called goatsbeards were introduced to the United States from Europe shortly after the turn of the century. Within a few decades their populations expanded and began to encounter one another in the American West. Whenever mixed populations occurred, the specied interbred (hybridizing) producing sterile hybrid offspring. Suddenly, in the late forties two new species of goatsbeard appeared near Pullman, Washington. Although the new species were similar in appearance to the hybrids, they produced fertile offspring. The evolutionary process had created a separate species that could reproduce but not mate with the goatsbeard plants from which it had evolved."

The article is on page 22 of the February, 1989 issue of Scientific American. It's called "A Breed Apart." It tells about studies conducted on a fruit fly, Rhagoletis pomonella, that is a parasite of the hawthorn tree and its fruit, which is commonly called the thorn apple. About 150 years ago, some of these flies began infesting apple trees, as well. The flies feed and breed on either apples or thorn apples, but not both. There's enough evidence to convince the scientific investigators that they're witnessing speciation in action. Note that some of the investigators set out to prove that speciation was not happening; the evidence convinced them otherwise.

O.K. hillbillyboy, this is the most popular (and proven) example of speciation as you requested from any posters on this subject. This is indeed FACTUAL EVIDENCE as you requested. Now, without using quotes from the Bible or stating your individual faith on "your religious beliefs" please provide rock hard FACTS as to why Christianity is 100% correct & accurate. Hinduism was the first "organized religion" in the world & what makes Christianity any more accurate than Hinduism. As a matter of fact, what makes Christianity more accurate than any of the other religions worldwide?(There are 270 well known reigions worldwide & many more unknown & unaccounted for) Faith & Fact are not the same & cannot be used in context with the discussion. I would also like to add that your "judgement" on Atheists is extremely small minded & childish as I know many that are highly intelligent. I will listen to an Atheist that has taken the time to study all religions, travel the world, & then base his/her religious beliefs off of such experience & self study. Also, if a truly good person has faith in another religion does this person go to Christian Hell? I personally know many Christians who are such horrible people that I would never leave my child alone with them, & at the same time I know many wonderful Muslims who I would never 2nd guess as to leaving my child with them. Philosophy is Faith & religious books are nothing more than philosophy books on how to live a good & decent lifestyle after leaving your parents household & structured guidelines.
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#34 Aug 15, 2012
Good, some science to discuss.

Since many people will not open up a link and have a look, Ill post an excerpt so that all can see something that addresses this issue head on...

...."The following example of speciation appears on the Talk Origins website:

"Three species of wildflowers called goatsbeards were introduced to the United States from Europe shortly after the turn of the century. Within a few decades their populations expanded and began to encounter one another in the American West. Whenever mixed populations occurred, the specied interbred (hybridizing) producing sterile hybrid offspring. Suddenly, in the late forties two new species of goatsbeard appeared near Pullman, Washington. Although the new species were similar in appearance to the hybrids, they produced fertile offspring. The evolutionary process had created a separate species that could reproduce but not mate with the goatsbeard plants from which it had evolved."1

From the description, one would think that this was a very convincing example of macroevolution in action. Obviously, there must have been quite a number of massive mutations to produce an entirely new species that could not interbreed with the original. Right? Actually, every statement above is absolutely true. However, some of the important details have been intentionally left out, in order to make this example sound much better than it really is. Here is what actually happened.

The example above is not macroevolution, but is simply due to a single genetic event known as polyploidy. The original goatsbeards from Europe were standard diploid (two copies of each chromosome) plants. However, plants often do not undergo complete monoploidy during meiosis (during the formation of the sex cells, or gametes). This means that the gametes may remain diploid. When diploid gametes fuse, a new polyploid "species" is formed. No new information is created (Do you have twice as much information if you copy one book to produce an identical copy? No!), but the chromosomes are duplicated. The new "species" cannot produce viable offspring with the original species simply because of the difference in number of chromosomes. With goatsbeards, the process has happened more than once. Of course, the two "new" species have the same number of chromosomes and can produce viable offspring, since they are virtually identical.

If you look at the speciation events that are listed as evidence of evolution, most of them will fall into the polyploidy plant category. Evolutionists often "forget" to tell the reader that the new "species" are unable to produce viable offspring with the parental species simply because of a chromosomal duplication event. A casual oversight on the part of the writers? I think not! How much new information added to the new species? None!!! Were you deceived into thinking that the example given above was a dramatic example of evolution in action? Be wary of evolutionists bearing examples of "speciation."

From here...

Intentional Deception by Evolutionists - Evidence for God from Science
www.godandscience.org/evolution/deception.htm...

So there we go. Deceptions yes, evolution, no.
Here it is

Johnson City, TN

#35 Aug 15, 2012
hillbillyboy: O.K., I think that it is apparent that you have some intelligence & a mental capacity to be analytical. Your hypothesis on my example of speciation is well written & your stance is easily understood on the Scientific side of things. However, this is the second time (on 2 different threads) that I have presented religious information to you & requested some kind of factual response in support of your spiritual stance. To my disappointment, you have evaded & simply ignored that of which you cannot provide some factual evidence to support your statements.

I believe the questions that I have asked on both threads are important to a better understanding of how you view those who are not of Christian faith. The study of evolution & Science has been documented in a numerous collection of studies, documents, & literature. These documents are where you get your facts to back up your statements in support or denial of another individuals statements. The study of religion is supported in numerous books, studies, & literature as well. However, you appear to obtain your information from only one book of study & you simply ommit the other books of study on religion. How can this be? How do you explain this without stating it's simply your faith?
Here it is

Johnson City, TN

#36 Aug 15, 2012
Hillbillyboy:

How can you make statements that all atheists are lost & ignorant if you do not have an understanding of their mentality? How can you believe all other religions are inaccurate & lost in their ways if you have no understanding of those who believe in another religion? You made statements that America would be a better place is everybody was in alliance with Christianity, yet you have no open mind, or tolerance, for other who believe in another form of spirituality. Why should everybody else bend his/her views & beliefs to coincide with your own? Why should an individuals spiritual beliefs determine how you view this individual? You obtain your intellect through numerous books of study, so why not do the same when attempting to obtain a higher sense of spirituality?
Here it is

Johnson City, TN

#37 Aug 15, 2012
I should close the same way that you did in your rebuttal: Be wary of narcissistic & judgemental Christians, because the definitions of both terms is entirely against that of Christian faith.
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#38 Aug 15, 2012
I thought we were talking about science?

I asked for evidence for speciation. You presented something, but it didnt hold up to scientific examination.

It was exposed as deceptive, and not scientific evidence for evolution.

Care to try again?
Here it is

Johnson City, TN

#40 Aug 15, 2012
Well, at least I presented something that did not hold up to "your" scientific analysis. Now, please present something of "fact" to hold up to your rationale & beliefs that you seem to throw out at every argument. Why don't you at least try if you are so convinced in your religious beliefs. You appear to be avoiding the questions presented to you because you cannot provide the information that has been requested. I am not attempting to be controversial (I know in the South that one is never suppossed to question beliefs), I am just going along with the debate that you started on this thread & many others. Your defense is always stated as "factual" & now I am requesting "factual" information from your rationale. Pretty simple & straight forward, care to even try?
hillbillyboy

Elizabethton, TN

#41 Aug 15, 2012
You ask me for proof? Fair enough!:)

OK, lets see...What do we have to work with? The same things that you do. Same stars, same planet, etc. But the interpretation is what is different.

You might say, the presuppositions are the only thing different.

So, lets just go get ourselves a scientist and let hin "splain some stuff for us. Who knows, we might even enjoy it?

Lets go on a walk through the solar system with a scientist, shall we? Hyar we go...

Our Solar System, Evidence of Creation - Spike Psarris - YouTube
&#9658; 88:05&#9658; 88:05

www.youtube.com/watch...

Pretty interesting, wasnt it?
hillbillyboy
#43 Aug 16, 2012
Justlooking32 wrote:
You know Cosmologists(Scientists who study the Universe)estimate that within Our own Galaxy(Milky Way)there is anywhere between 250 Billion or Trillion Stars(Suns)but You know what I think is funny,I have Christian Family & Friends who really think that after the Creator of the Universe(God)made all those Stars that He only inspired or wrote 66 books of the protestant king james version of the holy bible in 1611.
I can see where you are coming from.

But, I think it might be best to view the Bible as a set of instructions. Think of an instruction plate on an inflatable raft.

That is because we are all riding on a metaphysical RMS Titanic. The Earth is doomed, and all humanity is condemned to Hell...unless we open up the life raft, follow the directions, and are saved.

God doesnt tell us everything with the Bible, just what we need to know in order to have a full and rich spiritual walk with Him.

Besides, if He filled our finite heads with His infinite knowledge and wisdom, our heads would explode.

Which would sort of defeat the purpose of the life raft.

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#44 Aug 26, 2012
hillbillyboy wrote:
You ask me for proof? Fair enough!:)
OK, lets see...What do we have to work with? The same things that you do. Same stars, same planet, etc. But the interpretation is what is different.
You might say, the presuppositions are the only thing different.
So, lets just go get ourselves a scientist and let hin "splain some stuff for us. Who knows, we might even enjoy it?
Lets go on a walk through the solar system with a scientist, shall we? Hyar we go...
Our Solar System, Evidence of Creation - Spike Psarris - YouTube
&#9658; 88:05&#9658; 88:05
www.youtube.com/watch...
Pretty interesting, wasnt it?
the magical poof theory is so much more believable your just a douchbag idiot. The fact your stupid ass is on here wasting our intelligence proves that evolution is real with exception of your bronze age ignorant "beliefs" that havent evolved. dwell on that stupid BOOK all you want but keep it to yourself were tired of hearing the delusionals run their dick licker about their piece of shit *od that doesn't and has never existed.
You dumbasses are a joke. Wheres your faggot fuck buddy? Guess he cant type supportive nonsense and give a reach around at the same time. Just pray about it douch bag so you can be let down some more. I would gladly tell you to go to hell if there were one. DELUSIONAL

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#45 Aug 26, 2012
hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
I can see where you are coming from.
But, I think it might be best to view the Bible as a set of instructions. Think of an instruction plate on an inflatable raft.
That is because we are all riding on a metaphysical RMS Titanic. The Earth is doomed, and all humanity is condemned to Hell...unless we open up the life raft, follow the directions, and are saved.
God doesnt tell us everything with the Bible, just what we need to know in order to have a full and rich spiritual walk with Him.
Besides, if He filled our finite heads with His infinite knowledge and wisdom, our heads would explode.
Which would sort of defeat the purpose of the life raft.
DELUSIONAL!!!!!!
Too Much

Mountain City, TN

#46 Aug 26, 2012
666 _Anti_christ_666 wrote:
<quoted text> the magical poof theory is so much more believable your just a douchbag idiot. The fact your stupid ass is on here wasting our intelligence proves that evolution is real with exception of your bronze age ignorant "beliefs" that havent evolved. dwell on that stupid BOOK all you want but keep it to yourself were tired of hearing the delusionals run their dick licker about their piece of shit *od that doesn't and has never existed.
You dumbasses are a joke. Wheres your faggot fuck buddy? Guess he cant type supportive nonsense and give a reach around at the same time. Just pray about it douch bag so you can be let down some more. I would gladly tell you to go to hell if there were one. DELUSIONAL
People who tend to use a lot of profanity do so because they do not have the vocabulary to express themselves. Without the vocabulary to talk about how they feel, their thoughts, or the things they want or want to see happen, they experience greater degrees of frustration with the world around them. It is certainly easier to get angry, blame, and use profanity than it is to educate ones self. Profanity is born of ignorance. Is it a weakness? That depends. If your goal in life is to be the leader of a gang and sell heroin, you had probably better learn to use some profanity. Polite talk, rationalization, and problem mediation skills are going to get you killed in a hurry. Weakness in one area may prove to be a strength in another. Profanity is easier than eloquence, therefore it is popular among the simple minded.
Snake Eyes

Marion, VA

#47 Aug 26, 2012
Too Much wrote:
<quoted text>
People who tend to use a lot of profanity do so because they do not have the vocabulary to express themselves. Without the vocabulary to talk about how they feel, their thoughts, or the things they want or want to see happen, they experience greater degrees of frustration with the world around them. It is certainly easier to get angry, blame, and use profanity than it is to educate ones self. Profanity is born of ignorance. Is it a weakness? That depends. If your goal in life is to be the leader of a gang and sell heroin, you had probably better learn to use some profanity. Polite talk, rationalization, and problem mediation skills are going to get you killed in a hurry. Weakness in one area may prove to be a strength in another. Profanity is easier than eloquence, therefore it is popular among the simple minded.
What do you expect from the mind of someone who believes only what he can see? He accepts scientific theory as an explanation to most everyday occurrences, yet scoffs at the Bible. His feeble mind doesn't allow him to see the hypocrisy.

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