How Arizona Is Making It Legal to 'Turn Away Gays'

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Er Wait a Minute

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Topix has decided to run the banner. What is this latest pro homo stuff? Making it legal?????? I say it has always been legal to turn away homosexuals or any other undesirables from your business, regardless of religion. The Arizona legislature has only confirmed that. Americans are tired of the gay whining. The media has laid the old/new guilt p.c. slant to it. The media is trying to portray it up as an attack on "minorities", a religious thing, but it is not. It is common sense and I'm glad Arizona has put the brakes on this pro queer malarkey and I think more states will follow. For you pro homos, face the facts, we have become sick and tired of your agenda and are finally speaking up against it. Oh boy, I'm sure the responses will be "hater, redneck, ignorant, homophobic, right wing, hick", and all the other lame blame terms which have become the common defense for your reasoning. America is not buying into that anymore..
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Is this a bad idea. Because Tennessee is going to do that next. I guess everyone knows it's a moot law at the moment anyway, right? I mean Tennessee doesn't recognize gay marriage anyhow, so this law is on the words of its author,(Kelsey) in case some judge comes along and makes it legal for gays to marry, then this law would give people the privaladge of NOT DOING BUSINESS WITH THEM. TURNING AWAY GOODS AND SERVICES. Now, like er wait a minute said, you could always do that. Ever seen THISE signs, WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE......BLAH, BLHA ? I mean , the restaurant owner in knoxville threw senator Stacey Campfield out of her restaurant for being whatever he is...... Quite odd, of you ask me. So you can turn anyone away, why drag religion into it? Well, there's a reason for everything....... That sets a precedent..... Period. Things happen on steps to the American people..... Now one state went too far, I forgot which one, but it was like denying government services......like if a gay persons house was on fire and the firefighter was of a religion (doesn't have to be Christian, YET( but things happen in steps) like a chess match. We are injecting first a religious right, later we will get around to it being a Christian religion right only, and then it will be a state religion, and who knows, it could just turn into the state is the church and and ALL power goes back to murderous! killing machine that it was in Europe for 400 years..... Some church, eh? By the way, I have a personal relationship with Christ. He is my king. Well, this is the beginning. This is one little snowball and as it rolls downhill it gets bigger and bigger. There's a country music song that says "it don't seem so wrong until it's happening to you" ...... And if you're sitting there, white , Anglo - Saxon , church going, and you think that nobody will ever really come for your rights. Well, you just sit there with legs crossed. It's just the gays. Let me say this. If I weren't a Christian and I had knowledge that anyone was being discriminated against in the US? A great big red flag should go up. Because what happened in Arizona is one step closer to the England of old. And it's happening right in front of you . There will be huge castles and huge churches everywhere and the people will be starving. Paupers and princes is all you'll have. Hell, that's what started this country. Our founders and the pilgrims were trying to get out from under an iron fist so tight mister that if you uttered the wrong thing they called it heresy and they dragged you off that lazy boy you're sitting on and hung your ass by a rope until you were dead. Of Course they did it in public and they will this time too for all the people to see. The bible says it will be a guillotine this time. Only by that time,(through the steps) you will have to denounce Christ to get your head chopped off. The only "fairness" that I think that should be injected into this farce is that if a business owner is TRULY DEVOTED TO RELIGION AND TRULY BELIEVES THAT TENTING TO A GAY COUPLE IS AGAINST HIS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, then let us have an online registry that let's us ALL know who they are. I'll make the website myself. It's so simple. It just lists the name of the business and the EIN number and who they DONT want to do business with. Doesn't have to be gay. OK, I'll be happy to list my business name,(not mine) and I'll put on the registry that I don't want any republican law makers in my business, etc. Honestly though that IS my religious conviction! for real. I honestly think they defile GOD but that's my opinion and my right. And I will list mine, will you list yours.....?
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Feb 22, 2014
 
I tried to reply , but I guess topix cut me off...
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Feb 22, 2014
 
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Wait a minute has a right. I want his right protected. He doesn't have to be religious. What's wrong with this law, is that they snuck religion into it.
That's the part that should concern every citizen. I know everyone soent know history and I'm no expert, but folks when the state becomes the church and governor versa. Thru little baby steps, one law at a time , before you know it, I'm yelling you, they have you.

Now, we came here to get away from a country that the church was the state and the state was the church and IT WAS BRUTAL. It was so brutal that they never wanted anyone to have to go through it again, except the slaves,...... So on 1865 we finally learned from that mistake after 600,000 American killed each other.

Now, to er wait a minute, I know this seem like sorta nothing. But one step on the wrong direction ? And here we go again.

Now, I would call the law unconstitutional, discriminatory and all that. But more importantly it injects religion into the law. Can't do that. Big no, no.

All I want to see is this. an online registry that states the name of the business and the people that they refuse to serve. That's all. I'll be happy to lost my business and I will be happy to list whom I WILL NOT SERVE. I cAn guarantee you that I would not allow a republican lawmaker in my home, on any of my business property, nor would I serve him at my restaurant. But as far as government services, there can be no discrimination. I mean, I'm not going to allow Ron Ramsey's house to burn down, and I'm not going to want him to be denied utilities and medical services. If a firefighter has a religious belief or non religious belief that he won't put out the fire at a gay persons house, then he has to find another job.

But business-wise, there must be a registry. Some business owners can put a sign that says "WE DONT DENY" and that means they are on the registry as one who will serve anyone..... Seems like the Supreme Court would be in this one already. I want for scumbag Scalia to straighten us out here. We need a real unbiased, legal schorl like himself to tell is how democracy works.
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Feb 22, 2014
 
cant belive they do that way not right.
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Regardless of how one feels about homosexuality, democracy is at stake. This is an extremely important defeat against it. Christ said "many will come in my name" that's this coming at us in the name of Christ.(Hitler took small steps but EVERY step had a purpose), and he also said "wolves in sheeps clothing". And then Matthew talks about a deceit so great that even gods elect could be deceived if he allowed it.

Hitler grabbed people by their "morals" and led them by their nose. You know what the nazi party slogan was? VALUES. I'm serious. And he never missed mass. He said it was important that they see him attending mass every single time the doors opened. He was a disciplined man and the worlds most evil person, to date.

Now, you can follow this first roll of the snowball that will get bigger and bigger. You think for a moment that it stops here? You honestly think that someone who is trying to get healthcare to you is a killer. You applaud states that would purposefully and spitefully decline the expansion of Medicaid just so people will die?

It has begun. If you can join the force that would degrade the poor and worship the wealthy, then you're upside down. It's OK to get fooled? REPENT !!
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Feb 24, 2014
 
So Arizona is doing this?
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Good grief. None of you have any idea what Arizona is proposing. Protecting someone's religious freedom has NOTHING to do with endorsing a particular religion. The law simply protects an establishment from being sued for refusing service if providing said service would lend to the perception that the business endorses something that violates their religious beliefs. For example: a Christian cake decorator refusing to provide a cake for a gay wedding if providing said cake could be perceived as endorsing gay marriage.. This is already protected by law but is being misinterpreted in our corrupt court system.

There is no difference to this than the "no shirt, no shoes, no service signs" or "no hoodies allowed". Businesses have the right to do business with whom they choose as long as it does not involve the recognized tenants of discrimination...which is age, gender, race or religion...NOT sexual preference. Sexual orientation and gender are NOT the same thing regardless of what CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the libotard media try to tell you.
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Er Wait a Minute wrote:
Topix has decided to run the banner. What is this latest pro homo stuff? Making it legal?????? I say it has always been legal to turn away homosexuals or any other undesirables from your business, regardless of religion. The Arizona legislature has only confirmed that. Americans are tired of the gay whining. The media has laid the old/new guilt p.c. slant to it. The media is trying to portray it up as an attack on "minorities", a religious thing, but it is not. It is common sense and I'm glad Arizona has put the brakes on this pro queer malarkey and I think more states will follow. For you pro homos, face the facts, we have become sick and tired of your agenda and are finally speaking up against it. Oh boy, I'm sure the responses will be "hater, redneck, ignorant, homophobic, right wing, hick", and all the other lame blame terms which have become the common defense for your reasoning. America is not buying into that anymore..
You're an idiot...thanks for sharing.
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This is just a way to bash gay people by homophobes and has nothing to do with "deeply held religious beliefs". If it did it wouldn't only be about gay people it would be about denying service to all "sinners" because the bible makes no distinction between types of sin, that is to say a sin is a sin period. If you can't remain professional enough to serve a consumer who is gay because they defy your deeply held religious beliefs then neither can you serve an adulterer, anyone with tattoos, anyone who eats shell fish or pork. anyone who cuts their hair or is clean shaven, anyone who wears clothes of mixed materials, wears gold, and of course anyone who is divorced since they too go against the religious doctrine that you hold oh so very dear.

The law also says a person can only cite the law as a defense by showing their actions are based on a sincere religious belief.
If a business owner serves other types of sinners besides gay people I really don't see how a court could find their beliefs sincere and allow them to use the law as a defense.
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JBM wrote:
If a business owner serves other types of sinners besides gay people I really don't see how a court could find their beliefs sincere and allow them to use the law as a defense.
This is why even if the governor is dumb enough to sign it into law it will quickly be struck down by the courts.....
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Truth wrote:
Good grief. None of you have any idea what Arizona is proposing. Protecting someone's religious freedom has NOTHING to do with endorsing a particular religion. The law simply protects an establishment from being sued for refusing service if providing said service would lend to the perception that the business endorses something that violates their religious beliefs. For example: a Christian cake decorator refusing to provide a cake for a gay wedding if providing said cake could be perceived as endorsing gay marriage.. This is already protected by law but is being misinterpreted in our corrupt court system.
There is no difference to this than the "no shirt, no shoes, no service signs" or "no hoodies allowed". Businesses have the right to do business with whom they choose as long as it does not involve the recognized tenants of discrimination...which is age, gender, race or religion...NOT sexual preference. Sexual orientation and gender are NOT the same thing regardless of what CNN, MSNBC and the rest of the libotard media try to tell you.
You have said what I meant to say and congratulations! Seems so many agitators for the pro queer agenda want to hide behind the Constitution, when it really all comes down to common sense. I fear the legislators included "religion" in this legislation, only as something to fall back on in case it goes to a liberal court. Some people have gone overboard in trying to relate it all to firefighters, police, etc. That's clutching straws. Jobs and business owners are not the same thing. You are bound by law as far as doing your job duties go under the tenants of non discrimination, even if the pro homos want to include their agenda. One of the few remaining liberties is an owners right to do business with whosoever they choose.
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Shame on Arizona
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Er Wait a Minute wrote:
<quoted text>. Some people have gone overboard in trying to relate it all to firefighters, police, etc. That's clutching straws. Jobs and business owners are not the same thing. You are bound by law as far as doing your job duties go under the tenants of non discrimination, even if the pro homos want to include their agenda. One of the few remaining liberties is an owners right to do business with whosoever they choose.
Obviously you haven't actually read the proposed law SB1062.
Here are some excerpts directly from the law -

"A person whose religious exercise is burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding"

"Person" includes any individual, association, partnership, corporation, church, religious assembly or institution, estate, trust, foundation or other legal entity."

"Exercise of religion" means the practice or observance of religion, including the ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief."

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Notice how the law refers to "persons" and how person is defined by the law, it includes "any individual". So it's not clutching at straws at all to say a fireman or policeman could legally deny service since they are indeed individuals. I would say you're the one clutching at straws.
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This is awful
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Kevin wrote:
This is awful
I agree. Homosexuals are gross!!
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JBM wrote:
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Obviously you haven't actually read the proposed law SB1062.
Here are some excerpts directly from the law -
"A person whose religious exercise is burdened in violation of this section may assert that violation as a claim or defense in a judicial proceeding"
"Person" includes any individual, association, partnership, corporation, church, religious assembly or institution, estate, trust, foundation or other legal entity."
"Exercise of religion" means the practice or observance of religion, including the ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief."
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Notice how the law refers to "persons" and how person is defined by the law, it includes "any individual". So it's not clutching at straws at all to say a fireman or policeman could legally deny service since they are indeed individuals. I would say you're the one clutching at straws.
You are going along with a dreamed up worst case embroidered scenario. That's the pro homosexual way of clouding the issue to their favor. While this legislation refers to service to persons by an owner, you want to scare everyone with unrealistic tactics which do not apply.
According to you, a homosexual could be thrown from a plane in mid air by the pilot. Be realistic and stop with the lame excuses.
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<quoted text>You are going along with a dreamed up worst case embroidered scenario. That's the pro homosexual way of clouding the issue to their favor. While this legislation refers to service to persons by an owner, you want to scare everyone with unrealistic tactics which do not apply.
According to you, a homosexual could be thrown from a plane in mid air by the pilot. Be realistic and stop with the lame excuses.
My apologies to JBM! His s/n was mistakenly added in place of mine on the previous post. I sincerely apologize, JBM.

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Dan wrote:
Shame on Arizona
Hurray! Hurray! For Arizona. Who wants a bunch of Queers hanging around their business? If it's my business, I'll have who I want hanging around regardless of what anybody says.

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