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Johnson City, TN

#46 Sep 15, 2013
my2cents wrote:
Go to the ER and look at all the people coming through with a cold or bronchitis and have no way to pay for it. They stiff the hospital with the bill and those of us with insurance end up paying for it already. My appendix burst in 2008 and the hospital bill was $89,000 at the time my insurance was 167.00 per month with a max out of pocket of $2000.00. Over the next year before anyone ever heard of Obamacare my premium went to over $400/per month finally I had to drop it because in 2012 it ended up at $900/month with a 5,000 deductible and 10,000 out of pocket. I switched ot BCBS for $210.00/month
Like a lot people I was skeptical. But having sold Mejor Medical plans for years I know a lot of people simply could not got get real insurance. I recently certified to sell the Affordable Healthcare Act plans in TN and VA. Open enrollment begins in October. Call to see if you qualify. I can't say what the premiums will be yet but all plan have provide a number of Essential Health Benefits so it is real coverage.
idiot

Abingdon, VA

#47 Sep 15, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>. That is my point. Why not work to make it better? Anything the President is for Republicans are against. Even if its good for the country.
Exactly...this hillbillyboy and his ilk are anti-Obama and they don't care if the country goes down the drain with him as long as they can be right.
Smothered Conscience

United States

#48 Sep 15, 2013
idiot wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly...this hillbillyboy and his ilk are anti-Obama and they don't care if the country goes down the drain with him as long as they can be right.
Question: Do you support and believe in the rising national debt and continuing the debt ceiling? Yes or no?

To have an enemy is to be yourself an enemy. Warmongers are not peacemakers.

The community organizer is taking the country down the drain on his own with help from people like you lib sheep.
You libs think only conservatives are held to any standard of behavior. Libs can essentially do what they please and no harm will come to them….as is evidenced by this display of double standards.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#49 Sep 15, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>. That is my point. Why not work to make it better? Anything the President is for Republicans are against. Even if its good for the country.
Obamacare isnt good for the country. It will be a tremendous boondoggle and a dsaster.

Even under the best and rosiest calculations that the democrats invented to sell Obamacare, it will still leave 30 millions uninsured.

But that is under the rosiest predictions (which dont have a chance of coming true).

In reality, it will mean that more people than ever will not be able to afford any kind of insurance. And millions of people that have health insurance now, will loose it.

Many millions will loose thier jobs entirely due to the job cuts created by Obamacare. With the economy tanking due to Obamacare, many wont be able to get a new one.

(Thus no money to buy insurance with)

Others will have thier hours reduced to part time, so that thier employers dont have to cover them any more.

(Thus no money to buy insurance with)

Many big employers with back room connections in the democrat regime, will be given special waivers, so they dont have to follow Obamacare, and they wont have to cover thier employees.

The employees will have to buy insurance completely out of pocket, with no employer contribution. Thus, thier out of pocket premiums will double and tripple and quadruple.

And many big insurers will simply opt of of Obamacare, and drop coverage.

(They are allowed, as thier lobbyist wrote this into the Obamacare law that they dictated to the democrats.)

Not to mention the doctors shortage this will cause, and the...um...national debt?

Our currency has already been downgraded. Obamacare is already running three or four times over the original cost estimates, and it hasnt even started yet. The added expenses are going to drive up the national debt to the point that our currency will collapse.

A million dollars will be needed to buy a loaf of bread if this happens)

The entire global GDP would take over 600 years to pay off our national debt, as of a couple of years ago. Obama has increased it greatly since then. After Obamacare kicks in, it will be a flood situation of debt and cost over runs. We are already seeing it.

What part of the above scenario is "good for the country" as you try to spin it?
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#51 Sep 16, 2013
Country of corruption wrote:
When is Congress going to STOP this foll dictator and protect the MiddleClass and American Citizens from Obamacare cost increases.
Taxpayers are going to wound up paying for everyone…AND we can’t afford it.
Congress needs to STOP Obama NOW.
Congress and staffers are able to receive OPM contributions to the plans they purchase in the exchanges but are not eligible for subsidies. The rule is pretty clear that this “double dipping” is not allowed.
While this administration and their lack of integrity to enforce PPACA as it was written they would attempt to push something so blatantly illegal through without an act of Congress.
Labor unions vocal about their objections to certain provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare will “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class,” wrote three labor leaders in July. Now, according to a report from InsideHealthPolicy, the Obama administration is considering offering insurance subsidies—intended for the uninsured—to labor union members who already have employer-sponsored coverage.
Nah...if we survived moron Bush 43 and Neo-fascist Reagan (one of worst presidents in history), Obama not that bad.
Clearly See

United States

#52 Sep 16, 2013
Muddy wrote:
<quoted text>Nah...if we survived moron Bush 43 and Neo-fascist Reagan (one of worst presidents in history), Obama not that bad.
More attack lib sheep talk, blah blah blah. Never any truth or facts come out.
Fact 1
Community organizer worse president ever.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#53 Sep 17, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Obamacare isnt good for the country. It will be a tremendous boondoggle and a dsaster.
Even under the best and rosiest calculations that the democrats invented to sell Obamacare, it will still leave 30 millions uninsured.
But that is under the rosiest predictions (which dont have a chance of coming true).
In reality, it will mean that more people than ever will not be able to afford any kind of insurance. And millions of people that have health insurance now, will loose it.
Many millions will loose thier jobs entirely due to the job cuts created by Obamacare. With the economy tanking due to Obamacare, many wont be able to get a new one.
(Thus no money to buy insurance with)
Others will have thier hours reduced to part time, so that thier employers dont have to cover them any more.
(Thus no money to buy insurance with)
Many big employers with back room connections in the democrat regime, will be given special waivers, so they dont have to follow Obamacare, and they wont have to cover thier employees.
The employees will have to buy insurance completely out of pocket, with no employer contribution. Thus, thier out of pocket premiums will double and tripple and quadruple.
And many big insurers will simply opt of of Obamacare, and drop coverage.
(They are allowed, as thier lobbyist wrote this into the Obamacare law that they dictated to the democrats.)
Not to mention the doctors shortage this will cause, and the...um...national debt?
Our currency has already been downgraded. Obamacare is already running three or four times over the original cost estimates, and it hasnt even started yet. The added expenses are going to drive up the national debt to the point that our currency will collapse.
A million dollars will be needed to buy a loaf of bread if this happens)
The entire global GDP would take over 600 years to pay off our national debt, as of a couple of years ago. Obama has increased it greatly since then. After Obamacare kicks in, it will be a flood situation of debt and cost over runs. We are already seeing it.
What part of the above scenario is "good for the country" as you try to spin it?
. Wat insurance do you have? Government insurance?
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#54 Sep 17, 2013
Clearly See wrote:
<quoted text>
More attack lib sheep talk, blah blah blah. Never any truth or facts come out.
Fact 1
Community organizer worse president ever.
Nope..i am independent moderate. Reagan was one of worst presdients of all time, but Bush 41 was a good one. And when you say "worst president ever," worse than Pierce? Buchanan? Harding? Do you even know of any other presdients or are you just repeating FOX/Koch/Heritage Foundation talking points?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#55 Sep 17, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>. Wat insurance do you have? Government insurance?
Its not going to work, dude. Switching the debate onto me isnt the same as defending Obamacare, and that is for a couple of reasons.

A...Obamacare will result in LESS people having any insurance at all. Regardless of what kind of insurance I have, it still wont change the fact that millions of people who now have insurance will loose it because of Obamacare.

(Many insurers people use now, will shut down those programs because of Obamacare)

And, many people will loose thier jobs, or be cut to part time, and not be eligible for employer insurance. This because of Obamacare.

(Unemployed people cant afford insurance)

And one of the infamous democrat talking points used to sell Obamacareis the subsidies the poor were promised to help them pay for insurance under Obamacare. I have heard you yourself talk about that over and over.

But...the promised subsidies aint coming.

Its just a con game that is just more deceptions.

Here is how it was supposed to work...

http://news.investors.com/122112-637938-obama...

Yup...the incredible shrinking subsidies of Obamacare (even as premiums go up)

And now, those ridiculous and deceptive subsidies, we are now finding out, aint coming for many...at all.

Mostly for the poorest of Americans, they will get zero subsidies...

Zero, zilch, nada. Check it out...

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-07-...

Thats right, the stupid democrats and the lobbyist for the insurance industry that got together and wrote Obamacare, didnt figure in the working poor.

(In this area, that is most working class people)

They cant afford employer health insurance (which is skyrocketting due to Obamacare), but they make too much to qualify for Obamacare.

Result?

The poorest among us will not have any insurance at all.

But they will still have to pay the Obamapenalty to the IRS, or go to prison and have all thier property and bank accounts taken by the government.

So, it really dont matter what kind of insurance I have, does it?

I know it is a well rehearsed liberal talking point to switch the debate onto anyone who objects to Obamacare. But its just a dirty debating trick and nothing more.

When we stay on the facts, they are ugly indeed for Obamacare.

I suspect that your first instinct will be to not read my post, or open the links and read them. I also suspect that you will try to turn the argument away from the relevant facts again, and turn it onto some ginned up, passionate, hand wringing BS emotionalism.

(I have debated liberals many times, and am wise to your tricks)

But I will just keep directing the debate back to the facts. You may squirm like a snake caught in the hands of a handler. But squirm all you like.

I will force you to acknowledge the facts, or quit the argument.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#56 Sep 17, 2013
D you have government insurance Hillbillyboy? You do don't you?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#57 Sep 17, 2013
Needed wrote:
D you have government insurance Hillbillyboy? You do don't you?
You may keep on asking,as you have been doing for months now. But I will not answer you. I will force you to stick to the facts of Obamacare.

(Im not on trial in the public eye, Obamacare is)

You liberals are loosing the public opinion war on Obamacare, so your tricks and deciets have become threadbare. You will keep on using the same old tricks, even as the nation turns against you.

As it is doing now.

Here are some of the latest polling data, which reveal that about 68% of Americans are worried about Obamacare.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/17/fo...

Thus, even before the nation becomes fully infected by Obamacare, people are starting to see it for what it is.

But, every time a bus full of mindless idiots goes over a cliff in a cheap B grade movie, there are always a few guys up front that scream first.

By the time every body is screaming, its too late.

So, you liberals can console yourselves in that. You have managed to trick and deceive enough clueless idiots to do the damage.

It will be left for us conservatives to come along in the next election cycles, get enough votes to repeal this travesty and nightmare that is Obamacare, release the poor people from Federal prisons that were rounded up and railroaded (just for being poor) who couldnt afford either Obamacare, nor the IRS fines...and finely repeal Obamacare once and for all.

Even as you liberals blame the failure of Obamacare on Bush and Fox News.

Thankfully, more and more of the sheeple are waking up.
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#58 Sep 17, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
You may keep on asking,as you have been doing for months now. But I will not answer you. I will force you to stick to the facts of Obamacare.
(Im not on trial in the public eye, Obamacare is)
You liberals are loosing the public opinion war on Obamacare, so your tricks and deciets have become threadbare. You will keep on using the same old tricks, even as the nation turns against you.
As it is doing now.
Here are some of the latest polling data, which reveal that about 68% of Americans are worried about Obamacare.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/17/fo...
Thus, even before the nation becomes fully infected by Obamacare, people are starting to see it for what it is.
But, every time a bus full of mindless idiots goes over a cliff in a cheap B grade movie, there are always a few guys up front that scream first.
By the time every body is screaming, its too late.
So, you liberals can console yourselves in that. You have managed to trick and deceive enough clueless idiots to do the damage.
It will be left for us conservatives to come along in the next election cycles, get enough votes to repeal this travesty and nightmare that is Obamacare, release the poor people from Federal prisons that were rounded up and railroaded (just for being poor) who couldnt afford either Obamacare, nor the IRS fines...and finely repeal Obamacare once and for all.
Even as you liberals blame the failure of Obamacare on Bush and Fox News.
Thankfully, more and more of the sheeple are waking up.
Yes...we must maintain our status as the only developed country in the world that allows its healthcare to be controlled by private, for-profit insurance comapnies! We must keep the CEO's of insurance companies making millions of dollars while people with healthcare needs are nickled-and-dimed LITERALLY to death!!
Hillbillyboy

United States

#59 Sep 17, 2013
Muddy wrote:
<quoted text>Yes...we must maintain our status as the only developed country in the world that allows its healthcare to be controlled by private, for-profit insurance comapnies! We must keep the CEO's of insurance companies making millions of dollars while people with healthcare needs are nickled-and-dimed LITERALLY to death!!
Maybe that is why so many people from the other "developed" countries come here for treatment that they cant get at home?

(Dont have years to wait)

And your post is so predictable. Every time the liberals want to advance thier agenda, they come out with faked emotionalism, hand wringing, and spout off totally faked (and rather stupid) garbage emotionalism.

"Oh...its all for the children!"

"Republicans want children and poor people to starve!"

"Its for safety!"

Yadda yadda yadda. Its always the same outhouse emotionalism with the liberals.

(Thats what one does if the facts, truth, and logic is against them)

And just FYI...it was the lobbyist working for the fat cat insurance CEOs that wrote Obamacare.

And then Obama and the liberals went out and cried and moaned like a bunch of false TV preachers begging for money, and made the usual sounds..."Oh, its for the children..Oh, its for the poor people"..etc etc etc.

And they actually had the lack of honesty to spin it that they were fighting against the insurance companies.

(Like the very ones that wrote Obamacare!)

While the insurance company CEOs smiled and toked on thier big cigars.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#60 Sep 17, 2013
It's pretty hypocritical to be getting government Heath care while being against it for others Hillbillyboy.
That solves it

United States

#61 Sep 17, 2013
Muddy wrote:
<quoted text>Yes...we must maintain our status as the only developed country in the world that allows its healthcare to be controlled by private, for-profit insurance comapnies! We must keep the CEO's of insurance companies making millions of dollars while people with healthcare needs are nickled-and-dimed LITERALLY to death!!
So you are a liberal socialist progressive against capitalism or free inter-prize? We are looking more like Greece and Spain everyday now.

Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#65 Sep 19, 2013
That solves it wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are a liberal socialist progressive against capitalism or free inter-prize? We are looking more like Greece and Spain everyday now.
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.
. First of all, it's enterprise. Second , Obamacare utilizes capitalistic, for profit insurance companies to cover Americans. The Republican, right wing think tank, The Heritage Foundation developed the model for Obamacare. Third, Mitt Romney implemented this plan in Mass. ARepublican. It is not socialistic. A single payer, universal plan for America would have been socialistic not Obamacare. You sound like Reagan back in the early 60's when he was calling Medicare a socialist program that would destroy medical care in America. Should we get rid of Medicare too?
Remember this

United States

#66 Sep 19, 2013
It is socialistic when a liberal democrat socialist government has it hands in anything. Wait and see!
and wait and see what free illegal immigration of millions now and millions more to come does. There is only one way from here for this type society and that is down, down, down dirt poor for the low info masses who follow this type regime.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#67 Sep 19, 2013
Remember this wrote:
It is socialistic when a liberal democrat socialist government has it hands in anything. Wait and see!
and wait and see what free illegal immigration of millions now and millions more to come does. There is only one way from here for this type society and that is down, down, down dirt poor for the low info masses who follow this type regime.
. Sould we get rid of Medicare and Medicaid then?
Remember this

United States

#69 Sep 19, 2013
Working taxpaying America citizens paid into the system. Only those who have paid into the system should benefit from it.

Until the millions of illegals are sent back home and the borders secured it is hopeless for any American citizens that are not the elite richy rich. We will only get less and less and poorer and poorer.

Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.

Wait and see and remember this in the future.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#70 Sep 19, 2013
Remember this wrote:
Working taxpaying America citizens paid into the system. Only those who have paid into the system should benefit from it.
Until the millions of illegals are sent back home and the borders secured it is hopeless for any American citizens that are not the elite richy rich. We will only get less and less and poorer and poorer.
Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money.
Wait and see and remember this in the future.
So we should get rid of Medicare and Medicaid? Is that what your saying?

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