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Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#41 Apr 28, 2013
FriendofDog wrote:
Sure we have the idiots/home grown terrorists, etc. like McVeigh, etc. And, we have the crazies like at Newtown, CT.. I'm not sure we will ever be able to prevent those kinds of things occurring by our own people.. that being said, I despise the Muslims. Didn't before, but do now. I don't trust them.. I'd like to ship them all back to wherever they came from. And, maybe "some" of them are as you say, Puff Daddy, but you can't tell me the majority of them living here.. even if they would never ever participate in terroristic behavior, don't silently, tacitly approve when we have to go through something like Boston last week. I just dont' believe that people like that who are taught to hate Americans, our way of life and think of us as infidels are suddenly our friends just because they are on American soil. I respect that you have made friends with them and feel differently about them, but I don't trust them. And, if more of the BOston things keep happening, you are going to see Americans' attitudes hardening toward them..
I think that you would be surprised man. The extremists only represent a small percentage of the Muslim people, gotta remember that there's over a billion Muslims in the world second only to the 2 billion Christians. When these extremists do these things the good Muslims cringe because they know that they will share the blame even tho the acts sadden them as much as they do us. They're so similar to us it's crazy. Some only celebrate rahmandan to shut up their family members like many of us only go to church on Easter. There's quite a large Muslim population in the UK. They fled there years ago to escape the poverty of India or the actions of extreme Islamist. My Muslim friends are from there. They run businesses, raise their kids, watch WWE wrestling and show more interests in American culture then most Americans do, but at the same time they know they've become hated here and that they themselves have done nothing to deserve it. I really wish you could see them from the point of view that I've been blessed to see. Real Muslims are a peaceful people as are Christians. These asshole extremists get more attention so we're lead to believe that they represent them all and it's just not true..
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#42 Apr 28, 2013
FriendofDog wrote:
Sure we have the idiots/home grown terrorists, etc. like McVeigh, etc. And, we have the crazies like at Newtown, CT.. I'm not sure we will ever be able to prevent those kinds of things occurring by our own people.. that being said, I despise the Muslims. Didn't before, but do now. I don't trust them.. I'd like to ship them all back to wherever they came from. And, maybe "some" of them are as you say, Puff Daddy, but you can't tell me the majority of them living here.. even if they would never ever participate in terroristic behavior, don't silently, tacitly approve when we have to go through something like Boston last week. I just dont' believe that people like that who are taught to hate Americans, our way of life and think of us as infidels are suddenly our friends just because they are on American soil. I respect that you have made friends with them and feel differently about them, but I don't trust them. And, if more of the BOston things keep happening, you are going to see Americans' attitudes hardening toward them..
And about the Boston bombing, many Muslims gathered to pray for those victims.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#43 Apr 28, 2013
Joe wrote:
What some of you don't seem to understand is that we brought the hatred of theses people upon ourselves. We have interfered in their affairs for years. We have helped to overthrow their governments. We armed Iraq to fight against Iran. Saddam was our biggest ally in the region. We did not care abou the atrocities he committed as long as he served our purpose. The whole thing boils down to oil. They have it and we want it. We created the Taliban. We set up the Shah in Iran. When the people of these nations have seen and felt the atrocities committed by the dictators and governments that we have openly supported and funded, they most likely do not see us as the "good guys".
Great post. I believe you are correct and people forget these things.
thefax

Kingsport, TN

#44 Apr 28, 2013
dollars and sense wrote:
Why don't we just organize a group of pro-American terrorist? Fund them with tons of money, just like the so called Arab friends do. Let them wreak havoc overseas while under "cover". The United States can always say "we are doing our best to quell them." Just like the phony Arab countries do. Government funding would not be a problem. We could hide behind the same stuff these Mideast countries do. "We are doing everything in our powers to control these hell bent radicals". For every one American killed, multiply it by 1000 in response. That just might make these parasitic countries face the facts.
History has proven that the only way to deal with these animals is to overwhelm them with force. I'm not a blood and guts guy, just saying America has put up with this kind of bullshit long enuff.
I agree. Islam is now and always was an imperial "religion" with conquest and forced acceptance as its basis. History shows time and time again that the Muslims have brutally murdered millions in the name of Allah as a smoke screen for the real ambition, that being world dominance and control.
I have met many Muslims living here in the United States and I can tell you they have no loyalty to America, only to the Muslim country of origin. They are here as parasites and stick together like glue. Time to stop pussyfooting around with these countries that want only to snuff Americans and Jews. Bring back "The Hammer". For you bleeding hearts who don't know who he was, do some research and see how he dealt with the threat long ago.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#45 Apr 28, 2013
thefax wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. Islam is now and always was an imperial "religion" with conquest and forced acceptance as its basis. History shows time and time again that the Muslims have brutally murdered millions in the name of Allah as a smoke screen for the real ambition, that being world dominance and control.
I have met many Muslims living here in the United States and I can tell you they have no loyalty to America, only to the Muslim country of origin. They are here as parasites and stick together like glue. Time to stop pussyfooting around with these countries that want only to snuff Americans and Jews. Bring back "The Hammer". For you bleeding hearts who don't know who he was, do some research and see how he dealt with the threat long ago.
That's the problem. Too many people living in the past and letting it repeat itself instead of taking a different approach and making things better for a change.
whuut

Abingdon, VA

#46 Apr 28, 2013
thefax wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. Islam is now and always was an imperial "religion" with conquest and forced acceptance as its basis. History shows time and time again that the Muslims have brutally murdered millions in the name of Allah as a smoke screen for the real ambition, that being world dominance and control.
I have met many Muslims living here in the United States and I can tell you they have no loyalty to America, only to the Muslim country of origin. They are here as parasites and stick together like glue. Time to stop pussyfooting around with these countries that want only to snuff Americans and Jews. Bring back "The Hammer". For you bleeding hearts who don't know who he was, do some research and see how he dealt with the threat long ago.
That's the problem with Americans and "Christians" in general...we have selective memory when it comes to religion. Some of the biggest atrocities in history were committed in the name of religion and Christianity is no exception...ever heard of the Inquisition? Witch trials of Salem? The Crusades? Most religions are nothing more than cults used to control weak-minded idiots.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#47 Apr 28, 2013
whuut wrote:
<quoted text>That's the problem with Americans and "Christians" in general...we have selective memory when it comes to religion. Some of the biggest atrocities in history were committed in the name of religion and Christianity is no exception...ever heard of the Inquisition? Witch trials of Salem? The Crusades? Most religions are nothing more than cults used to control weak-minded idiots.
It's not the religions themselves that are the problem. Christianity and Islam are both great religions when practiced the way they were intended. Religion has molded the society that we live in today. The problem lies in the human beings that use the religions to feed their greed and to manipulate other human beings. I'm no religious expert or anything but I've dabbled in Christianity my entire life. I've never heard any stories about Jesus being anything but a peace loving man that taught peace to his followers. To read about or to see in movies or television shows about the story of Jesus and what kind of man he was still makes me angry and deeply saddened by how he was treated and ultimately cruelly killed by the Romans. The greatest human being to ever walk the Earth in my opinion, suffered one of the most terrible deaths ever.
thefax

Kingsport, TN

#48 Apr 28, 2013
whuut wrote:
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That's the problem with Americans and "Christians" in general...we have selective memory when it comes to religion. Some of the biggest atrocities in history were committed in the name of religion and Christianity is no exception...ever heard of the Inquisition? Witch trials of Salem? The Crusades? Most religions are nothing more than cults used to control weak-minded idiots.
Oh boy, here we go with that old chestnut that you have dredged up. The Crusades hangs very near the bottom among the top 20 most awful events in human history as far as casualties, and is superseded by the Vietnam War, and several events few have heard of....such as the French Wars of Rebellion, Shaka Zulu's wars, and several rebellions in China. The Inquisition? More people have been killed by hippos. Salem witch trials...less than 40 deaths. Now, if you want to read up on some very serious casualties, do some research on the Ottoman Empire and the number of people murdered by Muslims. It's not your fault you repeat the anti-Christian propaganda. Many others have been spoon fed the same crap. Your only fault is being gullible.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#49 Apr 28, 2013
thefax wrote:
<quoted text>Oh boy, here we go with that old chestnut that you have dredged up. The Crusades hangs very near the bottom among the top 20 most awful events in human history as far as casualties, and is superseded by the Vietnam War, and several events few have heard of....such as the French Wars of Rebellion, Shaka Zulu's wars, and several rebellions in China. The Inquisition? More people have been killed by hippos. Salem witch trials...less than 40 deaths. Now, if you want to read up on some very serious casualties, do some research on the Ottoman Empire and the number of people murdered by Muslims. It's not your fault you repeat the anti-Christian propaganda. Many others have been spoon fed the same crap. Your only fault is being gullible.
It really does get old. Same old worn out handed down point of view. Thanks for your statistics, very interesting stuff. In modern terms, where were the Philistines from? The ones that kept battling with the Israelites. Were they the first Muslims?
not

Abingdon, VA

#50 Apr 28, 2013
thefax wrote:
<quoted text>Oh boy, here we go with that old chestnut that you have dredged up. The Crusades hangs very near the bottom among the top 20 most awful events in human history as far as casualties, and is superseded by the Vietnam War, and several events few have heard of....such as the French Wars of Rebellion, Shaka Zulu's wars, and several rebellions in China. The Inquisition? More people have been killed by hippos. Salem witch trials...less than 40 deaths. Now, if you want to read up on some very serious casualties, do some research on the Ottoman Empire and the number of people murdered by Muslims. It's not your fault you repeat the anti-Christian propaganda. Many others have been spoon fed the same crap. Your only fault is being gullible.
Actually somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed during the Crusades...due to poor record keeping its difficult to get much more exact.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#51 Apr 28, 2013
not wrote:
<quoted text>Actually somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed during the Crusades...due to poor record keeping its difficult to get much more exact.
That's a pretty broad slot. There were over 1.1mil casualties in the Civil War with over 600,000 deaths. There's one we can't blame on religion.
whuut

Abingdon, VA

#52 Apr 28, 2013
thefax wrote:
<quoted text>Oh boy, here we go with that old chestnut that you have dredged up. The Crusades hangs very near the bottom among the top 20 most awful events in human history as far as casualties, and is superseded by the Vietnam War, and several events few have heard of....such as the French Wars of Rebellion, Shaka Zulu's wars, and several rebellions in China. The Inquisition? More people have been killed by hippos. Salem witch trials...less than 40 deaths. Now, if you want to read up on some very serious casualties, do some research on the Ottoman Empire and the number of people murdered by Muslims. It's not your fault you repeat the anti-Christian propaganda. Many others have been spoon fed the same crap. Your only fault is being gullible.
Vietnam, French Wars, Shaka Zulu, Chinese Wars all had nothing to do with religion which is the topic at hand. Please try to keep up.
thefax

Kingsport, TN

#53 Apr 28, 2013
whuut wrote:
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Vietnam, French Wars, Shaka Zulu, Chinese Wars all had nothing to do with religion which is the topic at hand. Please try to keep up.
That's the problem. People tend to relate wars with religion. The facts speak for themselves. More people have been maimed and killed for the real reason, a quest for power and expansion. It's just a common trait for some countries to hide behind religion as an excuse to wage war with the same wants. It just seems ridiculous to wage a half ass war. Seems to me, the object of war is to obliterate the opponent, not pacify them. No more Mister Nice Guy. It's time to lay the cards on the table.
thefax

Kingsport, TN

#54 Apr 28, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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It really does get old. Same old worn out handed down point of view. Thanks for your statistics, very interesting stuff. In modern terms, where were the Philistines from? The ones that kept battling with the Israelites. Were they the first Muslims?
More or less, maybe! Being a restless, warlike, trading people, the Philistines frequently attempted to expand their influence, first through setting up trading colonies in distant lands and then by force of arms, if necessary. As a sea going people, they wanted to expand and came into Canaan to overpower it. Sound familiar? History has managed to confuse them with any uncouth and savage people. Maybe they were. But one thing for sure, they wanted to take command of their neighbors, ie: the Israelites. I can see the comparison.
thefax

Kingsport, TN

#55 Apr 28, 2013
not wrote:
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Actually somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed during the Crusades...due to poor record keeping its difficult to get much more exact.
I doubt the validity of your statistics, but still yet, that ain't a drop in the bucket of blood as far as that goes. Ol'e Vlad probably stuck that many on poles, ya know. The Crusades were only a minor shedding of life and limb compared to most aggressions. Not that it was ok, just saying, many more souls were wasted in more obscure wars. Those wars are hidden by history, statistics, and people who buy into propaganda. War sure sux, don't it? I'm just saying, if you must go to war, do it 100%. If a burglar were breaking into your house, would you try to calm him or bust his skull? Same thing.
thefax

Kingsport, TN

#56 Apr 28, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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It's not the religions themselves that are the problem. Christianity and Islam are both great religions when practiced the way they were intended. Religion has molded the society that we live in today. The problem lies in the human beings that use the religions to feed their greed and to manipulate other human beings. I'm no religious expert or anything but I've dabbled in Christianity my entire life. I've never heard any stories about Jesus being anything but a peace loving man that taught peace to his followers. To read about or to see in movies or television shows about the story of Jesus and what kind of man he was still makes me angry and deeply saddened by how he was treated and ultimately cruelly killed by the Romans. The greatest human being to ever walk the Earth in my opinion, suffered one of the most terrible deaths ever.
Cheese, I commend you. Most of your posts consider being thoughtful and sane in the face of the world's disorder. But, as you said, you "dabbled" in Christianity. Buddy, ya gotta do more than dabble! Sure, Jesus preached peace and harmony, but He wasn't a roll over. Consider the money changers at the temple. Did He kindly admonish them and apologize? Nope, He drove them out with lashes and more or less gave them hell. Sometimes people don't consider that although Jesus preached peace and love that He didn't step up and deliver due process when the time was right. More or less, Jesus backed up His reasoning with no excuses for telling it like it is. I know there is debate over whether the Romans or the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't really matter who did. He died according to the scripture for all of us. Don't get me wrong, Puff. Your posts always reflect intellect and careful measured thought and I commend you. We just have a very slight disagreement, not worth getting all worked up over. Keep 'em coming, Puff! My hat is off to ya.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#57 Apr 29, 2013
thefax wrote:
<quoted text>Cheese, I commend you. Most of your posts consider being thoughtful and sane in the face of the world's disorder. But, as you said, you "dabbled" in Christianity. Buddy, ya gotta do more than dabble! Sure, Jesus preached peace and harmony, but He wasn't a roll over. Consider the money changers at the temple. Did He kindly admonish them and apologize? Nope, He drove them out with lashes and more or less gave them hell. Sometimes people don't consider that although Jesus preached peace and love that He didn't step up and deliver due process when the time was right. More or less, Jesus backed up His reasoning with no excuses for telling it like it is. I know there is debate over whether the Romans or the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't really matter who did. He died according to the scripture for all of us. Don't get me wrong, Puff. Your posts always reflect intellect and careful measured thought and I commend you. We just have a very slight disagreement, not worth getting all worked up over. Keep 'em coming, Puff! My hat is off to ya.
After watching the 5 part series on History Channel I finally got the chronological order of how things happened. Now I know they left a ton of things out but I feel now that if I picked up a bible I could for once not feel so lost in how things happened. Did you by chance get to see the mini series? I really enjoyed it.

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