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Pop

Johnson City, TN

#41 Nov 1, 2013
Needed wrote:
Pop. Are you that dense? The topic is welfare. If a large corporation that makes billions of dollars tells their employees they will assist them when they try to get food stamps or heating assistance... YOU as a taxpayer are subsidizing that company. The U.S. government gives large corporations including corporate farms over $100B in "corporate welfare" while it spends $60B in social welfare. if we were to add the people that work at Walmart and McDonalds who qualify and take advantage of these programs to the "corporate welfare" figures theres no telling what it would be. I say help poor people. You say screw them. You are misguided and I sincerely hope misfortune does not find you.
You aren't making a lot of sense Needed. Welfare is a government sponsored assistance program aimed at helping those in need. You say McDonald's is assisting their employees who are in need at using this government program. And you chastise them for doing this? If that is the case, then you are wanting to replace the government assistance program with a McDonald's assistance program. This is not their responsibility.
Julian Tremblay

Jinan, China

#42 Nov 1, 2013
Thanks a lot!
Harp

Johnson City, TN

#43 Nov 1, 2013
Pop wrote:
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You aren't making a lot of sense Needed. Welfare is a government sponsored assistance program aimed at helping those in need. You say McDonald's is assisting their employees who are in need at using this government program. And you chastise them for doing this? If that is the case, then you are wanting to replace the government assistance program with a McDonald's assistance program. This is not their responsibility.
Are you insane? You mean that McDonalds and Walmart should be allowed to underpay their employees below the poverty level and that you and I should make up the difference with our tax dollars?

Six members of the Walton family have as much money as 193 million Americans. They employ 1.2 million people below the poverty line. They purchase from China sell it to us. Tax us, and then take the tax and pay the part that they should be paying their employees to begin with.

My God. FOXNEWS. Has infiltrated your brain. Republicans and the tea party along with the Koch brothers and the US chamber of commerce have sold this cointry right out from under us and sold it back to you .....

It will take an absolute revolution to take this nation back. I have absolutely no envy of the wealthy. I couldn't bare to live like them for 10 minutes. They're absolute sociopaths. There is NO end to their greed. I understand that. I just can't figure your Angie at all.....

20% of America has 80% of the money. They purchase LITLLE Ron Ramsey's to protect their interests.
Estimates are that at this rate, in ten years, the wealthy will have 90% of all the money. The other 360 million of us will be scrambling around trading the other 10%. Is that what you want? Castles and shacks? That's what's coming......
Harp

Johnson City, TN

#44 Nov 1, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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I think it's time for folks who can't afford to live on their income go find better jobs or take two jobs, whatever it takes to support THEMSELVES and provide for THEIR OWN family. Minimum wage jobs are meant to be a starter job for high school or college kids looking to get work experience and make a buck while they prepare themselves for a real career. Those jobs are not intended to support an uneducated, unmotivated adult with 3 babies. It is not the taxpayers responsibility to support people who are making babies they can't afford and anybody who can't make more than minimum wage has no business having children.
So you don't mind giving welfare to the already wealthy? It's just the poor that don't deserve it, right?

Man , FOX news has your ass full.
Harp

Johnson City, TN

#45 Nov 1, 2013
Needed wrote:
You are all wrong. I'm saying that taxpayers are subsidizing employees (that means people that WORK) by giving them assistance because they do not make enough at their jobs. One of you said they are "starter jobs". Do you know what the demographic make up of fast food workers is? Look it up. You may be surprised. Usually you right wingers are saying these people do not work. One of you even called me a freeloader. You people have your heads up your you know whats!
They watch FOX news a and eat it up. They would NEVER admit that they've been had. History will show that America went down via FOX news! an entity that gets around being a reliable TRUTHFUL news source because it's registered with the FCC as "entertainment" instead of news......BULLSHIT mountain.

Every day they get memos of what to harp on. Did you see Jon Stewart last night. John Stewart made a joke about the Healthcare exchange website not working. His name was mentioned by 80 different hosts in a 24 hour period..... "Even Jon Stewart is down on Obamacare"...... It's all a ruse. I saw a Tshirt that said FOX NEWS IS OWNED BY THE RICH WHO HAVE 1/2 of the middle class thinking that the poor people have all the money.
LOOK AT A GRAPH. THE BOTTOM 20% hardly exist.

Rupert Murdock and the 1% selling BULLSHIT mountain to some 47% of Americans . My god. We are done for.

When a tea bagger thinks that a military contractor lobbyist makes what 700 disabled vets makes is perfectly OK? This Fing country is done. They'd buy into any Fing thing. Because that's what they've been sold. That's exactly what FOX sells . These people made the American dream happen for themselves, the rest are freeloaders. FU. I'm 54 and I've worked since I was 12. The entitled are the wealthy, not the poor. Yes, there are some freeloaders (chump change). The Walton family (parasitic disease to the American economy and common decency)....... Thanks "needed" for having some brains.
Being a democrat

United States

#46 Nov 1, 2013
Democrat communism with O as dictator is what 47% of Americans want! Only if you tea party conservative working taxpayers pay for it of course. Being lazy and a lying cheat is a democrat lifestyle you know.
Agree

United States

#47 Nov 1, 2013
Booker Phillips wrote:
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What's this "you right wingers" nonsense. Its your liberal president who has INCREASED corporate subsidies since his time in office. It was your liberal president who gave billions toward green companies, 80% of which just happened to be donors to his presidential campaign. It was your liberal president who was dubbed King of Corporate Welfare in his first term as president and has changed the term "corporate welfare" into the more applicable term describing his actions in his second term - "corporate adoption."
Spot on the spineless liar liberal democraps!
Pop

Bristol, TN

#48 Nov 1, 2013
Harp wrote:
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Are you insane? You mean that McDonalds and Walmart should be allowed to underpay their employees below the poverty level and that you and I should make up the difference with our tax dollars?
Six members of the Walton family have as much money as 193 million Americans. They employ 1.2 million people below the poverty line. They purchase from China sell it to us. Tax us, and then take the tax and pay the part that they should be paying their employees to begin with.
My God. FOXNEWS. Has infiltrated your brain. Republicans and the tea party along with the Koch brothers and the US chamber of commerce have sold this cointry right out from under us and sold it back to you .....
It will take an absolute revolution to take this nation back. I have absolutely no envy of the wealthy. I couldn't bare to live like them for 10 minutes. They're absolute sociopaths. There is NO end to their greed. I understand that. I just can't figure your Angie at all.....
20% of America has 80% of the money. They purchase LITLLE Ron Ramsey's to protect their interests.
Estimates are that at this rate, in ten years, the wealthy will have 90% of all the money. The other 360 million of us will be scrambling around trading the other 10%. Is that what you want? Castles and shacks? That's what's coming......
I'm not insane, but you are either unintelligent or have a blind eye towards the addiction of government benefits. McDonald's and Walmart are not underpaying if they have plenty of people wanting to work there. Underpaying is when you offer a job for a wage and nobody applies.

Who cares how much the Waltons have? They were successful. They had a great idea, risked their money to capitalize on that investment and it worked. How many people do the same thing and end up broke? You want to penalize ingenuity and reward non-productivity. That certainly is a key to success. Have you not realized that labor cost are wages and non-wage taxes? Non-wage taxes have skyrocketed. Why do you think wages haven't gone up? Labor costs have skyrocketed due to regulation. Therefore, wages haven't done much. Learn a little before you post.

As soon as you mentioned the Koch Brothers, you lost all credibility. The gravy was the Fox News rant. In your mind, Liberalism should prevail at all costs. Unfortunately, the costs of liberalism are high and a lot of people realize this. You haven't achieved a high enough intelligence level to understand yet.

If you are not part of the upper 10% and want to be there, then do something to get there. If you are relying on the government to simply give it to you, you are in an alien world and are destined to poverty.

Be creative, possess a great work ethic, always make the right choice, and good things will happen. It's not rocket science and the government can't help you do these things, any government.

In short, do what you can to help yourself in terms of skills, initiative, morals, etc. and I promise you that you will get rewarded. Quit whining and crying about what politicians are doing. This isn't helping your cause at all except make you look stupid.

Quit being stupid.
Brakes

Kingsport, TN

#49 Nov 2, 2013
Damn folks! You have let bogus news and statistics boggle your minds. All of these statistics can bend either way with no respect to the truth. If I proved 90% of something, it would leave another 90% in doubt. Don't go all ballistic on "facts and figures".
I don't give a hoot what your affiliation is, Demo, Rep, Tea, it's all bullshit. A few billion doesn't mean Jack Shit to the equation of the money spent.
hmm

Jonesborough, TN

#50 Nov 2, 2013
Harp wrote:
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Are you insane? You mean that McDonalds and Walmart should be allowed to underpay their employees below the poverty level and that you and I should make up the difference with our tax dollars?
Six members of the Walton family have as much money as 193 million Americans. They employ 1.2 million people below the poverty line. They purchase from China sell it to us. Tax us, and then take the tax and pay the part that they should be paying their employees to begin with.
My God. FOXNEWS. Has infiltrated your brain. Republicans and the tea party along with the Koch brothers and the US chamber of commerce have sold this cointry right out from under us and sold it back to you .....
It will take an absolute revolution to take this nation back. I have absolutely no envy of the wealthy. I couldn't bare to live like them for 10 minutes. They're absolute sociopaths. There is NO end to their greed. I understand that. I just can't figure your Angie at all.....
20% of America has 80% of the money. They purchase LITLLE Ron Ramsey's to protect their interests.
Estimates are that at this rate, in ten years, the wealthy will have 90% of all the money. The other 360 million of us will be scrambling around trading the other 10%. Is that what you want? Castles and shacks? That's what's coming......
Why would you blame a company for offering entry level jobs at the legal minimum wage? If its not a living wage, you need to be talking to your congressional representatives to raise the minimum wage. And the people working there who say they aren't making enough need to take on the personal responsibility of getting an education/trade skill to get promoted into a higher paying job (if that's what they want).
Just Sayin

Katy, TX

#51 Nov 2, 2013
A person's financial status in life is 100% based on their personal responsibility throughout their lives.

Did they educate themselves to qualify for good paying jobs or a career?

Did they work their way up to gain a strong work ethic and valuable job skills to make themselves more employable?

Did they learn how to manage their money well and apply good money management rules to build personal credit and a solid financial portfolio?

Did they plan their family in a responsible way, not over-extending themselves by making babies before they were prepared to support them and able to provide for today but also have an emergency fund for unexpected expenses or hard times?

Do they invest in insurance policies to protect themselves against large financial losses when the unexpected happens?

Do they delay major purchases and immediate gratification to secure their financial situation by saving and investing money instead of living paycheck to paycheck?

Do they invest and grow their savings?

Did they avoid getting involved with drugs, gangs and a criminal lifestyle?

Do they LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS and adjust accordingly when their financial situation changes to preserve their financial security?

These are the steps a RESPONSIBLE adult takes to enjoy financial security. If any adult is not financially secure, it is a sure bet there is someplace along the line they have not applied themselves to make that happen in their lives.

Being angry or jealous of what someone else has worked for and earned or saved does not improve your own financial status. Others do not owe you anything just because they worked harder at life and are now in a better situation then you find yourself in. They are not responsible for you, your bad choices, your mistakes or your children.

You need to take responsibility for your own situation, there are consequences to your actions, decisions and mistakes and you have no one to blame but yourself if you are not where you wish you were in life. You need to chase your own dreams and depend on yourself. Becoming dependent on the government is a dead-end street.
Needed

Roan Mountain, TN

#52 Nov 3, 2013
Pop wrote:
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You aren't making a lot of sense Needed. Welfare is a government sponsored assistance program aimed at helping those in need. You say McDonald's is assisting their employees who are in need at using this government program. And you chastise them for doing this? If that is the case, then you are wanting to replace the government assistance program with a McDonald's assistance program. This is not their responsibility.
. So it is ok for we the taxpayer to subsidize McDonald's' employees because,based on their income,they qualify for assistance? Is that not corporate welfare through the back door? Employyees need a living wage in our country and health care should be universal!
Needed

Roan Mountain, TN

#53 Nov 3, 2013
Pop wrote:
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You are either not very smart or seriously misinformed. Most people working at a fast food establishment are older teenagers or young adults. If there are older employees in a fast food establishment, they are there for a reason. The reason could be they have no skills. The reason could be they have some sort of attitude problem. The reason could be they recently were released from prison. The reason could be they have purple hair. Do you get it? Older people working at a fast food establishment are what many employers deem unhirable individuals due to one or more of the above reasons. They are working there due to choices they made in life. Most taxpayers don't feel responsible for bad choices.
Since you obviously have a computer you need to look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics demographics on minimum wage workers in our country. You are the misinformed one and seem to not care about your fellow man. There are many selfish people such as yourself out there, but fortunately your numbers are shrinking.
Pop

Bristol, TN

#54 Nov 3, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text> Since you obviously have a computer you need to look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics demographics on minimum wage workers in our country. You are the misinformed one and seem to not care about your fellow man. There are many selfish people such as yourself out there, but fortunately your numbers are shrinking.
You posted about Fast Food Workers, not minimum wage workers as a whole. Don't take my word for it, go into any fast food establishment and look for yourself. If you are an adult and work at a fast food restaurant, there is a reason. If you haven't obtained any sort of employer desirable skills by the time you are an adult, then you have done something wrong. That is unless you have a mental disorder, learning disability, etc. In that case, you might see otherwise. However, people that fall into that category deserve and probably get some sort of assistance from their family, their church, the government, etc. It is not up to the employer to not only provide an opportunity to earn wages AND to provide assistance for some sort of handicap.
Needed

Roan Mountain, TN

#55 Nov 3, 2013
Pop wrote:
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You posted about Fast Food Workers, not minimum wage workers as a whole. Don't take my word for it, go into any fast food establishment and look for yourself. If you are an adult and work at a fast food restaurant, there is a reason. If you haven't obtained any sort of employer desirable skills by the time you are an adult, then you have done something wrong. That is unless you have a mental disorder, learning disability, etc. In that case, you might see otherwise. However, people that fall into that category deserve and probably get some sort of assistance from their family, their church, the government, etc. It is not up to the employer to not only provide an opportunity to earn wages AND to provide assistance for some sort of handicap.
should employers provide insurance?
Pop

Bristol, TN

#56 Nov 3, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>should employers provide insurance?
They should if they want to. But providing insurance lowers wages. Can't have it all simply for being alive. You have to be worth paying wages and benefits and have the necessary skill set to earn as much. If you don't, and your company pays you more than you are worth, you are getting welfare from your employer. Businesses don't stay in business long doing these types of things.
Needed

United States

#57 Nov 4, 2013
Pop wrote:
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They should if they want to. But providing insurance lowers wages. Can't have it all simply for being alive. You have to be worth paying wages and benefits and have the necessary skill set to earn as much. If you don't, and your company pays you more than you are worth, you are getting welfare from your employer. Businesses don't stay in business long doing these types of things.
. So a person's value is based on their "skill set". I can't argue With that. Some people cannot be Physicists, but Stephen Hawking cannot dig a ditch. I suppose we need Physicists, and I know we need ditches. If business could get away with it they would pay nothing. Look at some of the developing nations. Are you against the minimum wage? Do you know the minimum wage for servers is $2.13 per hour? Do you think it is your responsibility to subsidize those employees or are you a bad tipper. I wish every legislator would take the food stamp challenge, or do what Morgan Sperlock did and live on food stamps and minimum wage for a month. Perhaps that would create some empathy in people such as yourself. Those that care about their fellow man are the majority. Those that believe otherwise are the minority. I am at least thankful for that.
Marty

Katy, TX

#58 Nov 4, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>. So a person's value is based on their "skill set". I can't argue With that. Some people cannot be Physicists, but Stephen Hawking cannot dig a ditch. I suppose we need Physicists, and I know we need ditches. If business could get away with it they would pay nothing. Look at some of the developing nations. Are you against the minimum wage? Do you know the minimum wage for servers is $2.13 per hour? Do you think it is your responsibility to subsidize those employees or are you a bad tipper. I wish every legislator would take the food stamp challenge, or do what Morgan Sperlock did and live on food stamps and minimum wage for a month. Perhaps that would create some empathy in people such as yourself. Those that care about their fellow man are the majority. Those that believe otherwise are the minority. I am at least thankful for that.
Interesting how you are trying to use guilt against the responsible citizens who work and pay taxes to support the Welfare fraud in this country. Portraying the taxpayer who doesn't gladly support the people who use and abuse the food stamp program as a way of life, as selfish people who "don't care about their fellow man." Well, how do you justify the uneducated, unmotivated just taking and taking from the taxpayers? One could say those who feel so entitled to a chunk of the taxpayers paycheck for which they did not work for and therefore do not deserve are the selfish ones. One could declare the Welfare recipients that continue to make babies they can't afford and increase the burden on the taxpayers to support them and their off-spring to be the selfish people. One could point out that it is the Welfare recipients who do not contribute yet continue to "take" who "don't care about their fellow man." Otherwise, how can they not feel guilty for taking money from the children of the taxpayers who are forced to support a Welfare system so the "poor" can continue to get a free ride? Are the taxpayers not "your fellow man?" So, how much do you care about the taxpayers, your fellow man? Next time you want to blame someone for not caring, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that the guilty ones are those who are taking money from the working man who works for it, and taking money away from the working man's family...to support your free ride. Welfare is taking from the person who rightfully worked to earn the money and handing it to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it, no matter how sad their sob story is.

Creating a generations of people who are completely dependent on the government is not "caring about your fellow man." All people, everywhere, are better off when they learn to be independent, self-sufficient, responsible and motivated to better themselves and provide for their own family so their children learn these valuable life lessons. The generations living on Welfare are not getting that, they are just sticking their hand out to suck up a handout and complaining that what they are "given" for nothing, is never enough. Please explain to us how that is an example of "caring for your fellow man."
Needed

Roan Mountain, TN

#59 Nov 4, 2013
Marty wrote:
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Interesting how you are trying to use guilt against the responsible citizens who work and pay taxes to support the Welfare fraud in this country. Portraying the taxpayer who doesn't gladly support the people who use and abuse the food stamp program as a way of life, as selfish people who "don't care about their fellow man." Well, how do you justify the uneducated, unmotivated just taking and taking from the taxpayers? One could say those who feel so entitled to a chunk of the taxpayers paycheck for which they did not work for and therefore do not deserve are the selfish ones. One could declare the Welfare recipients that continue to make babies they can't afford and increase the burden on the taxpayers to support them and their off-spring to be the selfish people. One could point out that it is the Welfare recipients who do not contribute yet continue to "take" who "don't care about their fellow man." Otherwise, how can they not feel guilty for taking money from the children of the taxpayers who are forced to support a Welfare system so the "poor" can continue to get a free ride? Are the taxpayers not "your fellow man?" So, how much do you care about the taxpayers, your fellow man? Next time you want to blame someone for not caring, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that the guilty ones are those who are taking money from the working man who works for it, and taking money away from the working man's family...to support your free ride. Welfare is taking from the person who rightfully worked to earn the money and handing it to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it, no matter how sad their sob story is.
Creating a generations of people who are completely dependent on the government is not "caring about your fellow man." All people, everywhere, are better off when they learn to be independent, self-sufficient, responsible and motivated to better themselves and provide for their own family so their children learn these valuable life lessons. The generations living on Welfare are not getting that, they are just sticking their hand out to suck up a handout and complaining that what they are "given" for nothing, is never enough. Please explain to us how that is an example of "caring for your fellow man."
there are plenty of educated hard working people on food stamps my friend.
BHO most corrupt Potus

United States

#60 Nov 4, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>there are plenty of educated hard working people on food stamps my friend.
More Lies from lefty liar. You need to get a job, be responsible, pay taxes.

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