Ronald Reagan, truth or bogus Hero w...
Hootie

Banner Elk, NC

#21 Nov 10, 2013
Booker Phillips wrote:
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If you want to discuss the reliability of a Ford, you compare it to a Chevy. If you want to discuss the tenderness of a sirloin, you compare it to a ribeye. When you want to discuss the failures of a president, you compare him to Obama. He has taken Carter's place as that benchmark. Pretty simple.
But when talking about corruption, no president has exceeded what Reagan did. And the topic is Reagan, not Obama. As with all presidents, history will be the judge. We really don't know how the Obama administration will be judged, but we can reflect on the corruption of the Reagan administration and how his policies have helped bring us to where we are.
Pop

United States

#22 Nov 10, 2013
Hootie wrote:
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But when talking about corruption, no president has exceeded what Reagan did. And the topic is Reagan, not Obama. As with all presidents, history will be the judge. We really don't know how the Obama administration will be judged, but we can reflect on the corruption of the Reagan administration and how his policies have helped bring us to where we are.
You apparently haven't been watching the news for the past year. Most people fared well under Reagan, Guess you didn't. Whose to blame for that? Everyone is getting screwed now. And his term isn't even over yet. We are now experiencing a catastrophic presidency. This isn't even opinion, this is fact. The Reagan years never came close to this.
Booker Phillips

Elizabethton, TN

#23 Nov 10, 2013
Hootie wrote:
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But when talking about corruption, no president has exceeded what Reagan did. And the topic is Reagan, not Obama. As with all presidents, history will be the judge. We really don't know how the Obama administration will be judged, but we can reflect on the corruption of the Reagan administration and how his policies have helped bring us to where we are.
It should be very telling to you that every president since Reagan gets compared to him, every president since quotes him, and Americans still hope for another like him. I can't think of a better barometer of one's success, can you?
Laff

Kingsport, TN

#24 Nov 10, 2013
Booker Phillips wrote:
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If you want to discuss the reliability of a Ford, you compare it to a Chevy. If you want to discuss the tenderness of a sirloin, you compare it to a ribeye. When you want to discuss the failures of a president, you compare him to Obama. He has taken Carter's place as that benchmark. Pretty simple.
Millard Fillmore! The new bellwether of presidential history! You still don't get it, do you? What exactly did Reagan do to cast such a spell of hero worship on you? Who can you compare Reagan to, Charlie Chaplin? Face it, the old boy was just a shoe polish haired spokesman for big business. BTW, don't forget Studebakers, LaSalles, and DeSotos, Tuckers, etc. Yep, with backing from the gvt., the big 3 put them away. As for the quality of steaks, don't forget good old baloney......since you are full of it. Sorry, I just couldn't let that one pass by, no offense intended. I do respect your opinion even if I do disagree. It's all in good fun with no disrespect to your right to an opinion. You make some good observations, but your intense and inordinate hatred of Obama gets the best of you sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Obama one bit, but we are talking Reagan and the silver spoon fed law makers here.
Needed

Mountain City, TN

#25 Nov 11, 2013
Reagan raised the debt ceiling 11 times. Nearly tripled the Federal deficit. Unemployment hit 10.8% during his first term. Grew the size of the Federal government tremendously. Gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented workers(now called illegal aliens by the right). Helped create Osama Bin Laden. Raised the debt ceiling 11 times. Sounds like a Tea Partier to me!
Booker Phillips

Elizabethton, TN

#26 Nov 11, 2013
Laff wrote:
<quoted text>Millard Fillmore! The new bellwether of presidential history! You still don't get it, do you? What exactly did Reagan do to cast such a spell of hero worship on you? Who can you compare Reagan to, Charlie Chaplin? Face it, the old boy was just a shoe polish haired spokesman for big business. BTW, don't forget Studebakers, LaSalles, and DeSotos, Tuckers, etc. Yep, with backing from the gvt., the big 3 put them away. As for the quality of steaks, don't forget good old baloney......since you are full of it. Sorry, I just couldn't let that one pass by, no offense intended. I do respect your opinion even if I do disagree. It's all in good fun with no disrespect to your right to an opinion. You make some good observations, but your intense and inordinate hatred of Obama gets the best of you sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Obama one bit, but we are talking Reagan and the silver spoon fed law makers here.
I must admit that during many of Reagan's years as president I was a young lad who didn't really give a rat's ass about politics. I do remember that time as a very patriotic one and Americans seemed to be more unified.

I was raised in a family of staunch, old Democrats including my parents and grandparents. I do remember them having praise for Reagan despite him being a Republican. Again though, this coming from a kid worrying about chasing tail, playing football, and saving money for a Camaro.

But, as I have mentioned in another post, I believe it is very telling the amount of praise and respect Reagan garners from presidents who have served since him, including Clinton and Obama. I also find it very telling that another Republican followed Reagan into office after his two terms expired. That is extremely rare when people are dissatisfied with the sitting party, the Republicans, which obviously they weren't to have put Reagan's right-hand man into office behind him.

Again, my facts may be a little suspect on this topic, but relying on common sense, Reagan must have done an excellent job in turning around a dismal economy that he inherited from Carter. He obviously was a very patriotic leader who took on our biggest foe and succeeded in doing so. He was obviously a very charismatic person and, while his office nominations might have been questionable, his values were not.
Pop

Elizabethton, TN

#27 Nov 11, 2013
Needed wrote:
Reagan raised the debt ceiling 11 times. Nearly tripled the Federal deficit. Unemployment hit 10.8% during his first term. Grew the size of the Federal government tremendously. Gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented workers(now called illegal aliens by the right). Helped create Osama Bin Laden. Raised the debt ceiling 11 times. Sounds like a Tea Partier to me!
Needed, you give your username true meaning. Your desire to nitpick anything conservative has caused you to miss the forest for the trees. The bottom line during the Reagan years is that his policies actually worked. You conveniently ignore such statistics as GDP growth, employment growth, inflation decline, etc. Yes, Reagan lowered taxes and increased spending ... to stimulate the economy. And it worked! Imagine that. Our current president raised taxes, increased spending and regulation. It didn't work. And we still have a deficit and our federal debt is at a record high. Reagan added a little over $1 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Obama added over $5 trillion in just 4 years and it is still growing ... with no results to show for it.

Your liberal blinders are stabbing you in the back.
Laff

Kingsport, TN

#28 Nov 11, 2013
Here's how I see it. When Reagan was nominated, I fell for it, actually voted for him. In those days I was a 20 something year old guy raising my family, getting by ok. Then the shit hit the fan. Reagan was supported by the Unions, which was good enough for me. Like it or not, I'm a big Union supporter. Lo and behold, one of his first priorities became the decimation of Unions!(Remember the Aircraft Controller's strike?). He sure back stabbed us all and then began his corporate fueled war on Unions. From there on out, it became the most perfected propaganda misinformation factory in the world, next to Hitler's.
His trickle down theory became as ridiculous as it sounds, being that we got the trickle and big business got the big rainfall. He (or should I say his bosses) ran with it. His puppet masters then began the biggest hoax ever. Somehow they convinced a lot of people that Ronald Raygun was grasping the reins of history with both hands, while he was really just a pack mule with a load of jive aimed at hoodwinking the citizens. His tenure included some of the most illegal and fuzzy conduct ever. His reply? "I don't recall"! Could you doubt him, being that he was already in the throes of Alzheimers by then?
The Ghost

Kingsport, TN

#29 Nov 11, 2013
Why don't you admit the best president was Richard Nixon until he got busted? He was shady but laid down the law. I am sure he did not do anything any other president would have done. In spite of the war our standard of living was great back then and we did not have to worry about kissing the asses of minor countries. Those were good times and we had a good economy and we did not have to worry about countries that HATED US pulling what they do now. A president has to be sneaky instead of trying to satisfy whiners. Ronald Reagan was just a chump in the mix. He was the begining of the downfall.
Laff

Kingsport, TN

#30 Nov 12, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Actually, Bush, Sr. was a bomber pilot, which was very dangerous during WW2. Just check the story of the Memphis Belle. And McCain was shot down and captured. He spent some time at the infamous Hanoi Hilton as a POW. Whether you agree with his politics or not, which I sometimes don't, that makes him a genuine badass, just like the other POW's. I do agree with you on Reagan. If you look at how many indictments, convictions, and official investigations there were against Reagan administration officials, it's easy to see that Reagan ran the most corrupt presidential administration in history. He was a great speaker, but was as crooked as a dogs hind leg.
Now keep in mind, these were not the Memphis Belle. WW2 torpedo bombers were actually fighter bombers, from the P38 to the others. Very good fast planes, not the flying fortresses with little defense. These planes were swift, agile and suffered the least loss during the war. They ranged from torpedo bombers to strafe planes (one in the same). Too fast for most of the fighters with less casualties than most planes. As for McCain, the dumbass was shot down in an almost fool proof plane. I saw a video of a bunch of planes afire on an aircraft carrier before his other mistake..........what did dumbass do? He landed and his plane, caught fire and had to be pushed off the boat! I have to bring this up..........remember the story of PT109? What a load of crap! Bogus history would tell you JFK actually pulled his disabled boat by his teeth by a rope. Ever tried anything close to that? It ain't possible! History is linear and succumbs to propaganda.
Laff

Kingsport, TN

#31 Nov 12, 2013
Joseph wrote:
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It is a known fact that the Reagan's routinely consulted astrologists. They did follow the guidance of these people. And Reagan did surround himself with some very corrupt people, which made for the most corrupt administration in history. Throw in Iran-Contra, which of course Reagan lied about having knowledge of. And in case you didn't read the topic, this discussion has nothing to do with Obama.
I've done my best to give your post a big thumbs up, but Topix won't let me. You have said it well, my friend! Maybe that is a whole other disintegration of information! Like you and I said, this is a discussion of Reagan, not a free for all against Obama. Thanks for your sane and unadulterated post!
Needed

Mountain City, TN

#32 Nov 12, 2013
Pop wrote:
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Needed, you give your username true meaning. Your desire to nitpick anything conservative has caused you to miss the forest for the trees. The bottom line during the Reagan years is that his policies actually worked. You conveniently ignore such statistics as GDP growth, employment growth, inflation decline, etc. Yes, Reagan lowered taxes and increased spending ... to stimulate the economy. And it worked! Imagine that. Our current president raised taxes, increased spending and regulation. It didn't work. And we still have a deficit and our federal debt is at a record high. Reagan added a little over $1 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Obama added over $5 trillion in just 4 years and it is still growing ... with no results to show for it.
Your liberal blinders are stabbing you in the back.
. The stats I looked at do not bear out what you say. My point is that all of the things the right is against today Reagan did. Raised taxes, raised the debt ceiling, granted amnesty to the undocumented aliens, bailed out social security, and even increased the size of government. Those that comprise the right today would not vote for Reagan. They would call him a RINO. You do agree with that don't you. If he were a candidate today can you imagine what Cruz , Palin, and Cain would say about him?
Pop

Elizabethton, TN

#33 Nov 13, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>. The stats I looked at do not bear out what you say. My point is that all of the things the right is against today Reagan did. Raised taxes, raised the debt ceiling, granted amnesty to the undocumented aliens, bailed out social security, and even increased the size of government. Those that comprise the right today would not vote for Reagan. They would call him a RINO. You do agree with that don't you. If he were a candidate today can you imagine what Cruz , Palin, and Cain would say about him?
He lowered taxes Needed. Goodness! However, forget all your fun facts, he was a true leader and everyone respected him from both parties. He led our nation into a period of prosperity. How in the world you can ignore that is beyond me. Using Reagan as a defense for what Obama is doing makes you look unintelligent. Is that the case? What we are experiencing now results from one thing, a lack of a leader.
Laff

Kingsport, TN

#34 Nov 13, 2013
Pop wrote:
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He lowered taxes Needed. Goodness! However, forget all your fun facts, he was a true leader and everyone respected him from both parties. He led our nation into a period of prosperity. How in the world you can ignore that is beyond me. Using Reagan as a defense for what Obama is doing makes you look unintelligent. Is that the case? What we are experiencing now results from one thing, a lack of a leader.
Yep, "he",(or should I say his masters) lowered taxes..........for the corporations! Didn't you notice that extra little box on our pay stub "Fed FICA Med Hospital Ins/EE" or something similar? What? You don't remember forking over more money from your paycheck? I'm afraid you are suffering from selective memory issues. Remember when he tried to substitute ketchup for a vegetable in school lunches or his references to the independent private agricultural sector as "some farmer in South Succotash"? I remember a lot of his (their) bullshit. Reagan was the epitome of a very well organized slick and sick propaganda campaign. During the Solidarity movement in Poland, he praised them, but was busting unions right and left here in the states. Reagan was a legend in your own mind!
Jacob

Banner Elk, NC

#35 Nov 14, 2013
Reagan would never be elected today. He would be declared a liberal by the far right.
Needed

Mountain City, TN

#36 Nov 14, 2013
Pop wrote:
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Needed, you give your username true meaning. Your desire to nitpick anything conservative has caused you to miss the forest for the trees. The bottom line during the Reagan years is that his policies actually worked. You conveniently ignore such statistics as GDP growth, employment growth, inflation decline, etc. Yes, Reagan lowered taxes and increased spending ... to stimulate the economy. And it worked! Imagine that. Our current president raised taxes, increased spending and regulation. It didn't work. And we still have a deficit and our federal debt is at a record high. Reagan added a little over $1 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Obama added over $5 trillion in just 4 years and it is still growing ... with no results to show for it.
Your liberal blinders are stabbing you in the back.
If Reagan were running today you would call him a RINO.
Needed

Mountain City, TN

#37 Nov 14, 2013
Laff wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, "he",(or should I say his masters) lowered taxes..........for the corporations! Didn't you notice that extra little box on our pay stub "Fed FICA Med Hospital Ins/EE" or something similar? What? You don't remember forking over more money from your paycheck? I'm afraid you are suffering from selective memory issues. Remember when he tried to substitute ketchup for a vegetable in school lunches or his references to the independent private agricultural sector as "some farmer in South Succotash"? I remember a lot of his (their) bullshit. Reagan was the epitome of a very well organized slick and sick propaganda campaign. During the Solidarity movement in Poland, he praised them, but was busting unions right and left here in the states. Reagan was a legend in your own mind!
. He raised taxes 11 times. Look it up.
Needed

Mountain City, TN

#38 Nov 14, 2013
Pop wrote:
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He lowered taxes Needed. Goodness! However, forget all your fun facts, he was a true leader and everyone respected him from both parties. He led our nation into a period of prosperity. How in the world you can ignore that is beyond me. Using Reagan as a defense for what Obama is doing makes you look unintelligent. Is that the case? What we are experiencing now results from one thing, a lack of a leader.
Tis thread is about Reagan. Not Obama. Reagan compromised with Democrat Tip O'Neil. Today Republicans are against compromise. What about amnesty? What about the deficit? What about the debt ceiling? I believe you are wearing rosé colored Reagan glasses and you should take them off.
Pop

Elizabethton, TN

#39 Nov 14, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>Tis thread is about Reagan. Not Obama. Reagan compromised with Democrat Tip O'Neil. Today Republicans are against compromise. What about amnesty? What about the deficit? What about the debt ceiling? I believe you are wearing rosé colored Reagan glasses and you should take them off.
You can bash Reagan all you want. You can do nothing about his reputation and your attempts are in vain. Bashing Reagan to divert attention away from our current catastrophic presidency is a childish antic to try to salvage the liberal philosophy. It isn't working. At this point in time, I can confidently state that Reagan will always be held in a much higher esteem than Obama, forever.

Right now, Obama is battling Jimmy Carter for the worst president in history. My bet is on Obama. We got hope and change alright, we changed in the wrong direction and all hope is now gone. Good job Mr. President.
Laff

Kingsport, TN

#40 Nov 14, 2013
Pop wrote:
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You can bash Reagan all you want. You can do nothing about his reputation and your attempts are in vain. Bashing Reagan to divert attention away from our current catastrophic presidency is a childish antic to try to salvage the liberal philosophy. It isn't working. At this point in time, I can confidently state that Reagan will always be held in a much higher esteem than Obama, forever.
Right now, Obama is battling Jimmy Carter for the worst president in history. My bet is on Obama. We got hope and change alright, we changed in the wrong direction and all hope is now gone. Good job Mr. President.
Pop, let go of it. Can't you see this about REAGAN. You keep wanting to drag Obama into every post you make. Give us a break. Worst president? There were many more worse than you realize. Grant, Hoover, Pierce, Coolidge, good old Harding, just for starters. Reagan fits in great with them. Why don't you just start a new thread, something like "My Obsession"?

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