Mountain States Health Alliance Says NO SMOKERS

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#165
Apr 9, 2013
 
Markus2..My wife suffers from COPD. Just the smell of smoke on someones clothes will and has sent her to the ER. As a matter of fect, she comes to JCMC. While she has never complained nor have I ever smelled smoke on any employee there, the fact that it does affect people like that is enough to regulate yours and anyone elses behavior concerning smoking. Being fat does not affect anyone else but your smoking does. If I were CEO of MSHA, I would persue every legal avenue to give current employees reasonable time to quit smoking and the they would lose their jobs, from CEO down to the housekeeping staff. Your attitude about smoking is shameful.
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#166
Apr 9, 2013
 
Markus2 wrote:
Hope you don't end up in the ER pop with a heart attack like the healthy man I coded he was out jogging and fell over with a massive coronary. Family wondered why him he was so healthy. Life deals us things. Quitting smoking is not easy and I didn't say being overweight is healthy but Im tired of people worrying about my damn business. People need to get a life and worry about their own instead of what everybody else is doing.
MHSA doesn't want to hire smokers, they have every right to do so. In fact, more and more employers are doing the exact same thing. Whether you know it or not, you are causing their health insurance to go up, you project a bad image for them, you take part in a habit that offends some of their customers, etc. You might as well get used to it, we are nearing the time where smoking is not socially or professionally acceptable. I realize smoking is hard to quit, but it is worth it. Challenge yourself and you might be surprised.

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#167
Apr 10, 2013
 
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>MHSA doesn't want to hire smokers, they have every right to do so. In fact, more and more employers are doing the exact same thing. Whether you know it or not, you are causing their health insurance to go up, you project a bad image for them, you take part in a habit that offends some of their customers, etc. You might as well get used to it, we are nearing the time where smoking is not socially or professionally acceptable. I realize smoking is hard to quit, but it is worth it. Challenge yourself and you might be surprised.

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There's business's thriving by catering to smokers. You're gonna start seeing an even newer trend that involves business's advertising being smoker friendly. I tend to shy away from non smokers, they have some crazy ideas that they're gonna live forever and I just don't trust them. I'm all for segregation, I wanna see smoking lounges back in hospital waiting rooms. When the Brotherhood of Smokers band together, we will take over in Washington and I'm personally gonna blaze a blunt during my state of the smokers address.

Back to the topic tho, I'm glad I moved out of Tennessee. It's nice to visit but after 32 years I never wanna live there again..
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#168
Apr 10, 2013
 
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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There's business's thriving by catering to smokers. You're gonna start seeing an even newer trend that involves business's advertising being smoker friendly. I tend to shy away from non smokers, they have some crazy ideas that they're gonna live forever and I just don't trust them. I'm all for segregation, I wanna see smoking lounges back in hospital waiting rooms. When the Brotherhood of Smokers band together, we will take over in Washington and I'm personally gonna blaze a blunt during my state of the smokers address.
Back to the topic tho, I'm glad I moved out of Tennessee. It's nice to visit but after 32 years I never wanna live there again..
It's a nation-wide trend Cheese Puff. One day, smoking in any public area will be banned and employers will not hire smokers. It's coming.
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#169
Apr 10, 2013
 
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<quoted text>It's a nation-wide trend Cheese Puff. One day, smoking in any public area will be banned and employers will not hire smokers. It's coming.
I think that if smokers united with Pinky and the brain we could someday rule the world..

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#170
Apr 14, 2013
 
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Yes obesity does affect others. Most of the same conditions listed earlier are also caused by being obese. Whether its a cigarettes or a cupcake the results are the same. The weapon is just different. My point being it affects the cost of health care. Those who choose a healthy lifestyle pay for those who don't. It will catch up to you at some point and those pill bottles rattling in your purse are not the answer. Just like picking up a pack of cigarettes isn't. The last time I visited a MSHA facility my nurse was extremely overweight and out of breath from pushing me to X-ray in a wheel. I had a sinus infection and a lung infection as well being a pack a day smoker at the time. I'm quite sure I could have ran circles around her at the time. I since quit smoking for my own reasoning. I do feel being a health related organization they should first be concerned about her health and not the ones on a cigarette break. Unless of course she smoked as well. This is America though, we each live as we choose. But why should it affect how we make a living. Both points are contradictory to themselves. I highly doubt anyone can even see that.
most of the people that push wheel chairs at JCMC do it all day long . It might have been you could have been one of many before you that person had pushed up and down those halls .
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#171
Apr 16, 2013
 
I agree with the smoking is bad for you argument. It's obvious. But I also buy into the idea that just because somebody pays an employee for 40 hours of their week they shouldn't be able to dictate what they do in the rest of their time, especially given it is a legal activity. However, my biggest beef with this is that I do not feel it is completely truthful that the whole point is to promote healthier employees. IMO it is more likely financial. MSHA owns its own insurance company. If smokers have more health issues, the insurance company is out more money. Personally I feel there is something that seems like it would be a conflict of interest of them owning their insurance company. I know there really isn't anything illegal or anything like that about it and financially I see that this makes sense for the company. But seems like considering one is in the business of wanting to have patients use their facilities, yet the other has the interest of keeping them from using any facilities. Weird. But I just get sort of a bad feeling about the true motives behind this.
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#172
Apr 20, 2013
 
I think and know that since smokers have existed forever that it is not so much the concerns of health as it is tied up in an agenda concerning reimbursement and Obama care to come. I know for a fact that we as patients have much more to worry about and this is just part of the agenda. Smoking, being overweight, next is drinking alcohol socially or daily. Taking certain medications over a long period of time, sorry to say but it is going to stop because doctors are being prepped not to prescribe these. For example if granny or momma have been on Xanax for fifteen years for their nerves as I have seen so much, she's gonna have to go to rehab. It's all about making MSHA look like everyone is healthy and end result no inpatient or acute care at all. May sound like they would lose money but not so, healthcare is going to go sky high regardless if you smoke or are overweight. Other circumstances will come into play, such as do you drink alcohol, is your job require you to do dangerous things, do you exercise four times a week and if so you are required to join our wellness center and sign in to prove so. Do you have pets, they spread disease and illness. MSHA is breaking ties with insurance companies one by one and are leaving people in a bind. Here's the plan, if you don't live just the way they want to stay healthy, whether it is Ludacris or not and do require inpatient care, you will have to mortage your home to pay for it if you don't have insurance through their owned insurance company, use their bought pharmacies and facilities. The smoking and other stuff is a sun screen to be able to sneak in the other things. I know what Im talking about. I am on the inside and would lose my job if I was exposed but I am begging all of you to stand together and not be so judgemental of people because it will be something you are doing next I guarantee it. Sorry if you have a toothache but if you had taken care of your teeth you wouldn't have one, sorry you got hurt in a car accident but you were not wearing your seatbelt so your insurance wont cover this. It is not a coincidence that Dennis Vonderfecht is retiring. Please think about this. I have nothing to gain from this. I personally have never smoked or been overweight but there are so much more important things we need to focus on. I am very weary and fearful for what it all is coming to and hope to leave MSHA soon myself. I know healthcare will be the same everywhere before long so a new career change may be in sight. MSHA wants to dominate and they do have the resources to do so.
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#173
Apr 26, 2013
 
Has anyone heard anything about MSHA being way underwater finacially and going to be bought out by another big hospital/health organization? I think the CEO "retiring" smells fishy. The BOD has spent this oranization into a bad way in my opinion.
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#174
Apr 26, 2013
 
I agree.
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#175
Apr 26, 2013
 
Intheknow wrote:
I think and know that since smokers have existed forever that it is not so much the concerns of health as it is tied up in an agenda concerning reimbursement and Obama care to come. I know for a fact that we as patients have much more to worry about and this is just part of the agenda. Smoking, being overweight, next is drinking alcohol socially or daily. Taking certain medications over a long period of time, sorry to say but it is going to stop because doctors are being prepped not to prescribe these. For example if granny or momma have been on Xanax for fifteen years for their nerves as I have seen so much, she's gonna have to go to rehab. It's all about making MSHA look like everyone is healthy and end result no inpatient or acute care at all. May sound like they would lose money but not so, healthcare is going to go sky high regardless if you smoke or are overweight. Other circumstances will come into play, such as do you drink alcohol, is your job require you to do dangerous things, do you exercise four times a week and if so you are required to join our wellness center and sign in to prove so. Do you have pets, they spread disease and illness. MSHA is breaking ties with insurance companies one by one and are leaving people in a bind. Here's the plan, if you don't live just the way they want to stay healthy, whether it is Ludacris or not and do require inpatient care, you will have to mortage your home to pay for it if you don't have insurance through their owned insurance company, use their bought pharmacies and facilities. The smoking and other stuff is a sun screen to be able to sneak in the other things. I know what Im talking about. I am on the inside and would lose my job if I was exposed but I am begging all of you to stand together and not be so judgemental of people because it will be something you are doing next I guarantee it. Sorry if you have a toothache but if you had taken care of your teeth you wouldn't have one, sorry you got hurt in a car accident but you were not wearing your seatbelt so your insurance wont cover this. It is not a coincidence that Dennis Vonderfecht is retiring. Please think about this. I have nothing to gain from this. I personally have never smoked or been overweight but there are so much more important things we need to focus on. I am very weary and fearful for what it all is coming to and hope to leave MSHA soon myself. I know healthcare will be the same everywhere before long so a new career change may be in sight. MSHA wants to dominate and they do have the resources to do so.
May sound like they would lose money but not so, healthcare is going to go sky high regardless if you smoke or are overweight. Other circumstances will come into play, such as do you drink alcohol, is your job require you to do dangerous things, do you exercise four times a week and if so you are required to join our wellness center and sign in to prove so. Hate to tell you but health insurance already and has for years, cost more if you do these things. Nothing new here. And, if you do not wear your seatbelt and are injusred in a car wreck, your insurance should not pay. Same if you don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle. If you don't have insurance, you should not be seen in a hospital ER unless it is a life threatening emergency and if you have no insurance, you shouldn't have a stay or surgery unless it is life threatening. Plain and simple, that way the cost is not passed on to the taxpayers like it is now to the tune of 43 billion a year nationwide!
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Facts is facts wrote:
<quoted text>May sound like they would lose money but not so, healthcare is going to go sky high regardless if you smoke or are overweight. Other circumstances will come into play, such as do you drink alcohol, is your job require you to do dangerous things, do you exercise four times a week and if so you are required to join our wellness center and sign in to prove so. Hate to tell you but health insurance already and has for years, cost more if you do these things. Nothing new here. And, if you do not wear your seatbelt and are injusred in a car wreck, your insurance should not pay. Same if you don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle. If you don't have insurance, you should not be seen in a hospital ER unless it is a life threatening emergency and if you have no insurance, you shouldn't have a stay or surgery unless it is life threatening. Plain and simple, that way the cost is not passed on to the taxpayers like it is now to the tune of 43 billion a year nationwide!
Tax payers are supporting the state health insurances. All these people that aren't able to pay are used as tax write offs. I know patients that have been treated with intentions of being tax write offs from the start and never paid the first dime. I don't understand how you reason the tax payers are paying for people that are unable to or are uninsured.
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Facts is facts wrote:
<quoted text>May sound like they would lose money but not so, healthcare is going to go sky high regardless if you smoke or are overweight. Other circumstances will come into play, such as do you drink alcohol, is your job require you to do dangerous things, do you exercise four times a week and if so you are required to join our wellness center and sign in to prove so. Hate to tell you but health insurance already and has for years, cost more if you do these things. Nothing new here. And, if you do not wear your seatbelt and are injusred in a car wreck, your insurance should not pay. Same if you don't wear a helmet on a motorcycle. If you don't have insurance, you should not be seen in a hospital ER unless it is a life threatening emergency and if you have no insurance, you shouldn't have a stay or surgery unless it is life threatening. Plain and simple, that way the cost is not passed on to the taxpayers like it is now to the tune of 43 billion a year nationwide!
And seeing as how it's tax payers that support the state programs like TennCare and will fit the bill for Obamacare along with business owners , even if tax payer money does go to pay for those unable to pay what difference does it make as long as that person isn't turned away? Is it ok to pay for one and not the other?
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Tax payers are supporting the state health insurances. All these people that aren't able to pay are used as tax write offs. I know patients that have been treated with intentions of being tax write offs from the start and never paid the first dime. I don't understand how you reason the tax payers are paying for people that are unable to or are uninsured.
I know the tax payer pays the bills. Being on the inside, I see it month after month. There is no way an industry could absorb 43+billion a year..
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Facts is facts wrote:
<quoted text>I know the tax payer pays the bills. Being on the inside, I see it month after month. There is no way an industry could absorb 43+billion a year..
So you're saying that they don't use the no pays as a tax write off?
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Apr 26, 2013
 
Facts is facts wrote:
<quoted text>I know the tax payer pays the bills. Being on the inside, I see it month after month. There is no way an industry could absorb 43+billion a year..
You're right. Write-offs are the reason for charging $10 for an aspirin. The insurance companies are the ones who have to pay this. The insurancers then develop their premiums based on these costs. The people with insurance are the ones who pay these premiums. In short, the people with insurance are paying for everyone.
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#181
Apr 26, 2013
 
I'm not trying to argue I just don't understand how it works and where the taxpayers are involved where write offs are concerned. In most business's when you do a job and take a loss of income or lose money you file it as a loss and it counts against you Gross income come tax time. I don't understand where this becomes the responsibility of the tax payers to make up the difference. How is it justified to use tax payer money to reimburse a company like MSHA that makes millions and millions in profits every year despite it.
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Apr 26, 2013
 
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I'm not trying to argue I just don't understand how it works and where the taxpayers are involved where write offs are concerned. In most business's when you do a job and take a loss of income or lose money you file it as a loss and it counts against you Gross income come tax time. I don't understand where this becomes the responsibility of the tax payers to make up the difference. How is it justified to use tax payer money to reimburse a company like MSHA that makes millions and millions in profits every year despite it.
Puff, it's the same old story. One hand washes the other as far as government and big business go. There are more loopholes involved in more ways than kraut lays in a barrel. Damnable shame that while they are conjuring ways to make money, we are paying for it one way or the other. Who knows who is actually paying for it on paper? I for one know that we, the common folk are paying one way or the other.
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#183
Apr 27, 2013
 
The hospital recieves Govt money evryday, that is why they can't turn anyone away. The Govt guarantees payment based on this fact. NO company or industry could absorb write offs to the tune of 43+billion a year which is what is left in unpaid hospital bills every year nationwide.. Plus, MSHA is operated as a noin-profit facility. All hospitals that recieve Govt money are that way. Private, for -profit hospitals can and do turn people away with no insurance. Wellmont as well is a non-profit hospital. Why do you think they spend so much on equipment and constrtuction. They have to take the money over and above operating cost and put it back into the facility. They have no choice. They can't show profit on the books at the end of the quarter or year.
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Apr 27, 2013
 
Facts is facts wrote:
The hospital recieves Govt money evryday, that is why they can't turn anyone away. The Govt guarantees payment based on this fact. NO company or industry could absorb write offs to the tune of 43+billion a year which is what is left in unpaid hospital bills every year nationwide.. Plus, MSHA is operated as a noin-profit facility. All hospitals that recieve Govt money are that way. Private, for -profit hospitals can and do turn people away with no insurance. Wellmont as well is a non-profit hospital. Why do you think they spend so much on equipment and constrtuction. They have to take the money over and above operating cost and put it back into the facility. They have no choice. They can't show profit on the books at the end of the quarter or year.
Thanks for the explanation. Seems like rather then putting those proffits back into frivolous construction projects they could use it to pay for the write offs. If they're a non profit business why are the owners of MSHA millionaires? You keep saying that 40+ billion can't be absorbed but how does that number compare to their income? I'm guessing the 40+ billion dollar figure was based nation wide, correct?

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