Mountain States Health Alliance Says ...
Ned Nonsmoker

Johnson City, TN

#83 Feb 9, 2013
Good for them. Smokers stink. Their clothes smell.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#84 Feb 9, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Marijuana is illegal, so you don't have the right to do it. You can argue whether it should be illegal or not, but right now it is illegal. Don't get me wrong, I am not for banning smoking. However, everyone seems to forget about MHSA's right to hire whom they want. They are exercising that right just like smokers who exercise their right to smoke. In Tennessee, it is legal to not hire smokers. And I am willing to bet MHSA is not going to test anyone. I think all they are going to do is not allow it at work.
You're right about this not fitting under the legal definition of job descrimination but don't you think it fits the general definition to a degree?
Pop

Nashville, TN

#85 Feb 9, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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You're right about this not fitting under the legal definition of job descrimination but don't you think it fits the general definition to a degree?
Well, now you are sort of getting into constitutional issues. Generally, it something is illegal, there is no discrimination. However, the constitution can be amended to include a group of people that it originally omitted. For example, those with disabilities. The Disabilities Act rectified that.
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#86 Feb 9, 2013
Ned Nonsmoker wrote:
Good for them. Smokers stink. Their clothes smell.
Well, I know quite a few people whose attitudes "stink" but certainly those folks will keep their jobs.... Enjoy your day, Ned.

P.S. If you wouldn't say something so rude and hurtful to somebody when face to face, why would you say it on here? I guess the safety of anonymity grants permission to say such hurtful things. It's quite sad. But I'm sure you are perfect to your core, right?
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#87 Feb 9, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Well, now you are sort of getting into constitutional issues. Generally, it something is illegal, there is no discrimination. However, the constitution can be amended to include a group of people that it originally omitted. For example, those with disabilities. The Disabilities Act rectified that.
Lol, now we could be headed down a road of asking the question of "Is an addiction a disability?" And should that Act one day include addicts as "disabled".
Pop

Nashville, TN

#88 Feb 9, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Lol, now we could be headed down a road of asking the question of "Is an addiction a disability?" And should that Act one day include addicts as "disabled".
haha, that's a very good point!
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#89 Feb 9, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Lol, now we could be headed down a road of asking the question of "Is an addiction a disability?" And should that Act one day include addicts as "disabled".
I kn addicts who draw disability checks based solely on their inability to function due to their addictions, so yes this is a very interesting point..
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#90 Feb 9, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
<quoted text>I kn addicts who draw disability checks based solely on their inability to function due to their addictions, so yes this is a very interesting point..
We may be onto something! Come to think of it, I've known alcoholics that drew checks for that reason.
jrl

Johnson City, TN

#91 Feb 9, 2013
Pop wrote:
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Marijuana is illegal, so you don't have the right to do it. You can argue whether it should be illegal or not, but right now it is illegal. Don't get me wrong, I am not for banning smoking. However, everyone seems to forget about MHSA's right to hire whom they want. They are exercising that right just like smokers who exercise their right to smoke. In Tennessee, it is legal to not hire smokers. And I am willing to bet MHSA is not going to test anyone. I think all they are going to do is not allow it at work.
Smoking has not been allowed on the property for a year or so now and that is fine just, they should not be allowed to tell you cant smoke and work for them or they wont hire smokers and actually 26 or so states have laws for just such cases i bet the supreme court get a hold of this issue. And about the marijuana i was just saying you can tell if someone has recently used it by saliva or blood test because they will be active cannibanoids.
Marsha 86

Johnson City, TN

#92 Feb 9, 2013
Smokers are unbelievably selfish people. They dont care what their family wants or that they smell like crap to everyone around them.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#93 Feb 9, 2013
Marsha 86 wrote:
Smokers are unbelievably selfish people. They dont care what their family wants or that they smell like crap to everyone around them.
I have to disagree.. I saw a smoker help a little old lady cross the road once. Then he donated one of his kidneys to the Salvation Army
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#94 Feb 10, 2013
Marsha 86 wrote:
Smokers are unbelievably selfish people. They dont care what their family wants or that they smell like crap to everyone around them.
You dont exactly sound like a ray of sunshine yourself, buttercup!!
Pop

Jonesborough, TN

#95 Feb 10, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
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You dont exactly sound like a ray of sunshine yourself, buttercup!!
hahaha, I had to laugh at this one.
CNA

Johnson City, TN

#96 Feb 10, 2013
I respect their decision. Should I ever want to be employed by MSHA it should be much easier to get the job. From my perspective it really is inconvenient to have to answer a co-worker's call lights while they go for their smoke break and I have patients needing attention. Just saying.
Well

Jonesborough, TN

#97 Feb 10, 2013
jrl wrote:
Msha is absurd I can not believe how sorry of an organization they are . A person has a right to smoke and it should be discrimination to notm hire someone because of that. They should post article about how its okay for them to take 20% of many employees pay at christmas time or how they lay off experienced nurses so they can replace them withnew grads at base pay. Yet they are buying hospitals and building new ors but are broke. Coorperate greed at its best and the death of the middle class. This is a very sorry organization I suggest staying away from the greddy ×+@#$.
You guys can argue all day long about how you think it "should" be, but MSHA is a private corporation and they are doing what they legally have a right to do. It is what it is.

And as soon as Obamacare goes in, things like this are only the very very tip of the iceberg. People are definitely going to be penalized for smoking for sure, but also based on the things you eat, drink....basically everything. It's coming, I promise. And there is nothing you can do about it, so might as well get used to it.
msha employee

Kingsport, TN

#98 Feb 10, 2013
this new rule sucks but their are ways around it. it takes 2 weeks for the nicotine to leave the body so just go 2 weeks without smoking. once hired and taken the drug test start back. the rule doesnt affect current employees just for the intro drug test.
Pop

Jonesborough, TN

#99 Feb 10, 2013
msha employee wrote:
this new rule sucks but their are ways around it. it takes 2 weeks for the nicotine to leave the body so just go 2 weeks without smoking. once hired and taken the drug test start back. the rule doesnt affect current employees just for the intro drug test.
If you can go 2 weeks without smoking, why then wouldn't you just quit?
CNA

Johnson City, TN

#100 Feb 10, 2013
msha employee wrote:
this new rule sucks but their are ways around it. it takes 2 weeks for the nicotine to leave the body so just go 2 weeks without smoking. once hired and taken the drug test start back. the rule doesnt affect current employees just for the intro drug test.
Here we have a prime example of "white trash".
msha employee

Kingsport, TN

#101 Feb 11, 2013
Pop wrote:
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If you can go 2 weeks without smoking, why then wouldn't you just quit?
i dont smoke so i dont really understand what its like being addicted to something but i think if you needed a job bad enough that someone could do it.
msha employee

Kingsport, TN

#102 Feb 11, 2013
CNA wrote:
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Here we have a prime example of "white trash".
white trash maybe but white trash with education and a decent job.

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