Mountain States Health Alliance Says ...
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Johnson City, TN

#63 Feb 8, 2013
You guys need to pay attention and get your facts straight. ALL TOBACCO USE so no dipping, chewing, chawing, smking or any sort of use of any tbacco product. The levels from second hand smoke is no where near the same in the body as first hand consumption so that will not be an issue. Also, there will be a dramatic drop in health insurance rates for employees and the employer if there is NO tobacco use by any.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#64 Feb 8, 2013
Marsha 86 wrote:
<quoted text>Whats 7 or 8 years off your life...Right?
If it means 7 or 8 extra years of misery what's the point? It's a quality over quantity issue and the person who's life it's effecting is the only one who should make the decision. Smoking is not a death sentence as some think, several smokers live to ripe old ages.
non smoker

Waxhaw, NC

#65 Feb 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>Smoking is not a habit, it's an addiction with physical and mental withdrawals. For some, feeding the addiction is way more realistic then quitting..
Regardless of what you wanna call it... Habit or addiction...If I'm in the hospital, I don't want to smell it on the nurse because some smells will cause people with lung problems to get sick at their stomach or have an attack. I don't want to go out for "fresh air" & find some idiot,who doesn't care enough about their life to TRY to quit, smoking in my way. I hate it & it should be made illegal. Say what you want it's a free country & blah blah but it's a free country for me too & I don't want it around me. It's very rude, selfish, & inconsiderate to smoke around others. If you wanna kill yourself slowly that's your choice, I choose to try to stay healthy & avoid those who smoke. Another thing... Don't smoke around your kids. It causes your children health problems. I know from experience. Stop selfish smokers! Take a stand with msha!
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#66 Feb 8, 2013
non smoker wrote:
<quoted text>Regardless of what you wanna call it... Habit or addiction...If I'm in the hospital, I don't want to smell it on the nurse because some smells will cause people with lung problems to get sick at their stomach or have an attack. I don't want to go out for "fresh air" & find some idiot,who doesn't care enough about their life to TRY to quit, smoking in my way. I hate it & it should be made illegal. Say what you want it's a free country & blah blah but it's a free country for me too & I don't want it around me. It's very rude, selfish, & inconsiderate to smoke around others. If you wanna kill yourself slowly that's your choice, I choose to try to stay healthy & avoid those who smoke. Another thing... Don't smoke around your kids. It causes your children health problems. I know from experience. Stop selfish smokers! Take a stand with msha!
Did you even bother to read my posts before you posted this? Making drugs illegal did away with that problem didn't it? I don't like the sound of diesel trucks, lets outlaw em. Exhaust fumes from automobiles make me sick, outlaw them. Smokers are inconsiderate, lock them up. I'm sure if you walk outside for fresh air a smoker will have stunk up millions of square miles of air with a single cigarette. If you hate smoking and smokers, stay away from them. If the smell of smoke on clothes offends you, I bet you hate camping and fire in general. I hate the smell of most perfumes, lets make it illegal and lock people up that use that too. Like I'VE ALREADY POSTED its the manners of a smoker that are important, legislating morals or manners is ABSURD.
meowmeowmeow

Wilmington, NC

#67 Feb 8, 2013
Just another reason why JC needs Wellmont.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#68 Feb 8, 2013
meowmeowmeow wrote:
Just another reason why JC needs Wellmont.
I think I understand now why my cousin left MSHA and went to work for Wellmont. She said they were a bunch of idiots running MSHA, and now I see what she meant..
Pop

Nashville, TN

#69 Feb 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you even bother to read my posts before you posted this? Making drugs illegal did away with that problem didn't it? I don't like the sound of diesel trucks, lets outlaw em. Exhaust fumes from automobiles make me sick, outlaw them. Smokers are inconsiderate, lock them up. I'm sure if you walk outside for fresh air a smoker will have stunk up millions of square miles of air with a single cigarette. If you hate smoking and smokers, stay away from them. If the smell of smoke on clothes offends you, I bet you hate camping and fire in general. I hate the smell of most perfumes, lets make it illegal and lock people up that use that too. Like I'VE ALREADY POSTED its the manners of a smoker that are important, legislating morals or manners is ABSURD.
Sir, with all due respect, MHSA isn't legislating anything. They simply are not hiring smokers for what they feel are good reasons. They are not breaking the law in doing this. They can hire or fire anyone they want as long as they don't discriminate against anyone due to race, religon, sex or age. I don't think anyone on here wants the government to ban smoking entirely.
Bill

Johnson City, TN

#70 Feb 8, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir, with all due respect, MHSA isn't legislating anything. They simply are not hiring smokers for what they feel are good reasons. They are not breaking the law in doing this. They can hire or fire anyone they want as long as they don't discriminate against anyone due to race, religon, sex or age. I don't think anyone on here wants the government to ban smoking entirely.
No, they aren't "not hiring smokers" they're not hiring anyone who tests positive for nicotine in their system. Be it from smoking, ingesting second hand smoke, chewing, dipping, using patches, chewing nicotine gum, using electronic water vapor cigarettes. If you test positive for nicotine for ANY reason, you won't be hired.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#71 Feb 8, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Sir, with all due respect, MHSA isn't legislating anything. They simply are not hiring smokers for what they feel are good reasons. They are not breaking the law in doing this. They can hire or fire anyone they want as long as they don't discriminate against anyone due to race, religon, sex or age. I don't think anyone on here wants the government to ban smoking entirely.
The legislature comment was directed toward the "make smoking illegal" comment posted by non smoker. If MSHA is willing to pass up on hiring a more qualified person that smokes for a lesser candidate that doesn't, more power to em. Once word gets around people that worry more about seeing the best doctors will go to Wellmont while the people that are offended by smokey clothes or people freezing outside smoking can go to MSHA. I have worked at JCMC in the past on construction projects, we followed their silly "smoke in your car rule" to a tee. I'm sure that when the 3 of us returned inside it smelled like we'd been in a smokey bar or something. God forbid we'd stood outside to avoid that, but their rent a cops would harass the hell out of us if we did. I hope that all the smokers in the tri cities take their health problems to Wellmont. Stupid sh*t like this is why I'm glad I moved far, far away from East TN. Lived their 95% of my life but discovering life outside the Bible Belt has been a breath of much needed fresh air, no pun intended.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#72 Feb 8, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Sir, with all due respect, MHSA isn't legislating anything. They simply are not hiring smokers for what they feel are good reasons. They are not breaking the law in doing this. They can hire or fire anyone they want as long as they don't discriminate against anyone due to race, religon, sex or age. I don't think anyone on here wants the government to ban smoking entirely.
And honestly, the part about not smoking THERE at THEIR hospital or premises doesn't bother me, it's the idea of administering nicotine tests to perspective employees and invading their private lives away from work bothers me. It's the same concept of denying employment to recreational marijuana smokers that only use at home. It's none of their business. All that matters is hiring the most qualified candidates for the job
Pop

Jonesborough, TN

#73 Feb 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
And honestly, the part about not smoking THERE at THEIR hospital or premises doesn't bother me, it's the idea of administering nicotine tests to perspective employees and invading their private lives away from work bothers me. It's the same concept of denying employment to recreational marijuana smokers that only use at home. It's none of their business. All that matters is hiring the most qualified candidates for the job
Well, I was agreeing with you right up until you got to the recreational marijuana users. Let's say you are a delivery driver hauling some heavy merchandise. Your shift starts at 8:00. If you are smoking marijuana at home at around 3:00 am, that will definitely affect your work performance driving and lifting. Most companies drug test these days due to that very reason. They drug test also to get Tennessee Drug Free Workplace benefits. They also drug test to get lower insurance rates. They also drug test because using drugs is illegal. Even though I do agree with you on some of your nicotine points, I couldn't disagree with you more on the marijuana points.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#74 Feb 8, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I was agreeing with you right up until you got to the recreational marijuana users. Let's say you are a delivery driver hauling some heavy merchandise. Your shift starts at 8:00. If you are smoking marijuana at home at around 3:00 am, that will definitely affect your work performance driving and lifting. Most companies drug test these days due to that very reason. They drug test also to get Tennessee Drug Free Workplace benefits. They also drug test to get lower insurance rates. They also drug test because using drugs is illegal. Even though I do agree with you on some of your nicotine points, I couldn't disagree with you more on the marijuana points.
Staying up to 3AM doing anything is going to effect you if you have to be up at 8am to work. Marijuana stays in your system 30 days or more, even if it was LEGAL and you could smoke it legally and did so on the weekends, you'd fail a drug test any day of the month. You'd fail whether you were under the influence or not.
Pop

Jonesborough, TN

#75 Feb 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
Staying up to 3AM doing anything is going to effect you if you have to be up at 8am to work. Marijuana stays in your system 30 days or more, even if it was LEGAL and you could smoke it legally and did so on the weekends, you'd fail a drug test any day of the month. You'd fail whether you were under the influence or not.
Sir, the reality is that no employer wants to hire anyone doing any type of drug, even marijuana for very good reasons. That's just the way it is. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this point.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#76 Feb 8, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Sir, the reality is that no employer wants to hire anyone doing any type of drug, even marijuana for very good reasons. That's just the way it is. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this point.
I wonder how it's working out in Colorado and Washington State since they legalized it there? Employment wise that is. Since its legal do the employers still test for it?
Pop

Jonesborough, TN

#77 Feb 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder how it's working out in Colorado and Washington State since they legalized it there? Employment wise that is. Since its legal do the employers still test for it?
I really don't know, but I would have to think the employers still have the right to not hire anyone doing it. That is a complete assumption on my part though. But it is a good question.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#78 Feb 8, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>I really don't know, but I would have to think the employers still have the right to not hire anyone doing it. That is a complete assumption on my part though. But it is a good question.
I'm gonna google it. I'm guessing all federal jobs in those states still will but state will not..
jrl

Johnson City, TN

#79 Feb 9, 2013
Msha is absurd I can not believe how sorry of an organization they are . A person has a right to smoke and it should be discrimination to notm hire someone because of that. They should post article about how its okay for them to take 20% of many employees pay at christmas time or how they lay off experienced nurses so they can replace them withnew grads at base pay. Yet they are buying hospitals and building new ors but are broke. Coorperate greed at its best and the death of the middle class. This is a very sorry organization I suggest staying away from the greddy ×+@#$.
jrl

Johnson City, TN

#80 Feb 9, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I was agreeing with you right up until you got to the recreational marijuana users. Let's say you are a delivery driver hauling some heavy merchandise. Your shift starts at 8:00. If you are smoking marijuana at home at around 3:00 am, that will definitely affect your work performance driving and lifting. Most companies drug test these days due to that very reason. They drug test also to get Tennessee Drug Free Workplace benefits. They also drug test to get lower insurance rates. They also drug test because using drugs is illegal. Even though I do agree with you on some of your nicotine points, I couldn't disagree with you more on the marijuana points.
You know active cannabnoids and thc only show up in blood test or saliva for like 6 hour so you can tell if a person recently smoked weed. But it dont matter becuase it catagory 1 right lol stupid ass government. People need to stand up for their rights they are being taken away.
msha

Johnson City, TN

#81 Feb 9, 2013
jrl wrote:
Msha is absurd I can not believe how sorry of an organization they are . A person has a right to smoke and it should be discrimination to notm hire someone because of that. They should post article about how its okay for them to take 20% of many employees pay at christmas time or how they lay off experienced nurses so they can replace them withnew grads at base pay. Yet they are buying hospitals and building new ors but are broke. Coorperate greed at its best and the death of the middle class. This is a very sorry organization I suggest staying away from the greddy ×+@#$.
Wow never seen something so true I think everyone working weekend got their pay cut like that wow greedy company
Pop

Jonesborough, TN

#82 Feb 9, 2013
jrl wrote:
<quoted text>
You know active cannabnoids and thc only show up in blood test or saliva for like 6 hour so you can tell if a person recently smoked weed. But it dont matter becuase it catagory 1 right lol stupid ass government. People need to stand up for their rights they are being taken away.
Marijuana is illegal, so you don't have the right to do it. You can argue whether it should be illegal or not, but right now it is illegal. Don't get me wrong, I am not for banning smoking. However, everyone seems to forget about MHSA's right to hire whom they want. They are exercising that right just like smokers who exercise their right to smoke. In Tennessee, it is legal to not hire smokers. And I am willing to bet MHSA is not going to test anyone. I think all they are going to do is not allow it at work.

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