Mountain States Health Alliance Says ...
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#41 Feb 7, 2013
Pop wrote:
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First, I respect the way you worded this post and I admire your honesty. You have a lot of good things going for you. However, you do have a choice to quit. If you have enough willpower, you can do anything. Smoking is not a physical dependency, it is a mental one. I realize it is a strong one, but nicotine dependency is only mental. Yes, there are some side effects from quitting, but they are relatively minor as compared to what smoking can do to you. You made a choice to start, even though you were very young, it was still your choice. Now you need to make a choice to quit and commit to that choice. Go one day at a time. If you relapse, try again. Get family members to support you and help you. Trust me, you can do it. I smoked for 25 years and quit cold turkey. If I can do it, you can too.
Im on the edge of a breakthrough where my smoking is concerned. I do realise it's a choice, just a decision that needs to be made and followed through...

I've put other vices away... serious ones... this one is really no different. I HATE cigarettes. Ughhh..
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#42 Feb 7, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Can you post your source for this statistic please? "Issues associated with Being over-weight kills more people annually than smoking related illnesses. "
It's common knowledge and that's why I did not cite it.

Heart Attacks
Diabetes
Stroke
Cancer
High Blood Pressure
Sleep Apnea
Asthma

All of these conditions (and many more) are exacerbated, even brought about by being overweight and obese..

The leading cause of death in America is heart disease (CDC) that, is totally preventable.
wonder woman

Tucker, GA

#43 Feb 7, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
<quoted text>It's common knowledge and that's why I did not cite it.

Heart Attacks
Diabetes
Stroke
Cancer
High Blood Pressure
Sleep Apnea
Asthma

All of these conditions (and many more) are exacerbated, even brought about by being overweight and obese..

The leading cause of death in America is heart disease (CDC) that, is totally preventable.
But does smoking not contribute to or exacerbate most of these conditions as well? Since you used the word "statistically" I thought you had read or noted specific statistics. Not trying to be a smart-Alec just trying to be clear and further this discussion.
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#45 Feb 7, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
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But does smoking not contribute to or exacerbate most of these conditions as well? Since you used the word "statistically" I thought you had read or noted specific statistics. Not trying to be a smart-Alec just trying to be clear and further this discussion.
Youre right.. But there are more obese people than smokers.
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#46 Feb 7, 2013
Here is what I found.. 1 in 5 people smoke, and 1 in 3 people are obese..

Obesity is a bigger problem..
Bill

Johnson City, TN

#48 Feb 7, 2013
What they are proposing is a non hire policy of anyone who tests positive for nicotine. That means not only people who smoke tobacco but also those electronic cigarettes that only create water vapor, nicotine patches, gums, etc.

What if your spouse smokes? You inhale second hand smoke and now you have nicotine in your system. I guess this policy means you can't date or be married to a smoker either.
wonder woman

Tucker, GA

#49 Feb 7, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
Here is what I found.. 1 in 5 people smoke, and 1 in 3 people are obese..

Obesity is a bigger problem..
You may be correct on this but obesity doesn't affect others the way smoking does. And yes I am overweight.
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#50 Feb 7, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
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You may be correct on this but obesity doesn't affect others the way smoking does. And yes I am overweight.
I was too, for several years. It's tough.
wonder woman

Tucker, GA

#51 Feb 7, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
<quoted text>I was too, for several years. It's tough.
Yes it is. I am considering weight loss surgery.
Sister Fatima

Johnson City, TN

#52 Feb 7, 2013
Bill wrote:
What they are proposing is a non hire policy of anyone who tests positive for nicotine. That means not only people who smoke tobacco but also those electronic cigarettes that only create water vapor, nicotine patches, gums, etc.
What if your spouse smokes? You inhale second hand smoke and now you have nicotine in your system. I guess this policy means you can't date or be married to a smoker either.
Oh wow. I didnt think of that... I can totally understand why they would refuse to hire tobacco users but the nicotine ban is a little much. I know people who still chew nicotine candy and gum even a year after quitting. It's not exactly healthy but not as foul as smoking or dipping, I suppose.
Just saying

Johnson City, TN

#53 Feb 7, 2013
well how easy to say. I rather have a good nurse take care of me than a bad nurse. I dont care if they smoke a cigarette as big as cheech and chongs doobie. I guess it is unpleasant for nurses to smell vomit, poop and all that too. Its a principal thing. Nurses are human too. The fact is they have made a comitment to taking care of sick people and what they do in their own time and on their breaks is their business. MSHA as well as other companies are following in the steps of the government taking away people's rights to look good. Everybody so concerned about the environment and health issues, stop driving. That pollutes the air worse than anything. Close down the plants like Eastman that stinks up the whole city of Kingsport. Stop targeting smokers. I dont smoke but I know people that do and its their business. Nurses get treated bad and have to take it so give them a break. The nurse that smokes may be the nurse that saves your sorry ass some day.
Pop

Nashville, TN

#54 Feb 7, 2013
Just saying wrote:
well how easy to say. I rather have a good nurse take care of me than a bad nurse. I dont care if they smoke a cigarette as big as cheech and chongs doobie. I guess it is unpleasant for nurses to smell vomit, poop and all that too. Its a principal thing. Nurses are human too. The fact is they have made a comitment to taking care of sick people and what they do in their own time and on their breaks is their business. MSHA as well as other companies are following in the steps of the government taking away people's rights to look good. Everybody so concerned about the environment and health issues, stop driving. That pollutes the air worse than anything. Close down the plants like Eastman that stinks up the whole city of Kingsport. Stop targeting smokers. I dont smoke but I know people that do and its their business. Nurses get treated bad and have to take it so give them a break. The nurse that smokes may be the nurse that saves your sorry ass some day.
You make no sense. A nurse is supposed to promote health. They can't do that if they are in effect killing themselves by smoking. As an employer, we have employees who smoke and those who don't. The ones who don't are more productive than the ones that do. The ones that do spend all day planning their next smoke. The ones that do litter our facilities with cigarette butts. The ones that do get complaints from customers about how bad they smell. As a business owner and you have a choice to hire a smoker or non-smoker, who do you think they are going to hire? I agree, you do have the right to smoke. However, an employer has the right to not hire a smoker. I provide health insurance to my employees. Our health insurance is triple what it would be without having any smokers. Employees pay half the cost of health insurance so the non-smokers are being penalized by the smokers in this regard. Face it, smoking will kill you, it is nasty, it is expensive, it drives up everyone's insurance and is now socially unacceptable. Again though, you do have the right to do it, on your own time.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#55 Feb 7, 2013
nonsmoker wrote:
<quoted text>You're getting into things that people can't change about themselves. People can change their habits. Some people can't help that they're fat due to health problems.... Key word... SOME
Smoking is not a habit, it's an addiction with physical and mental withdrawals. For some, feeding the addiction is way more realistic then quitting..
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#56 Feb 7, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
I am a smoker... I wish they would simply ban cigarettes altogether. It would be easier to quit if I could not buy them. Furthermore, if MSHA wants to hire non-smokers only, that's their right to do so. If everybody did that Im positive I could quit smoking..

As for setting an example for healthy living, if they are going to single-out smoking behavior they should also look closely at obesity. Issues associated with Being over-weight kills more people annually than smoking related illnesses.

While I cannot rationalize my own nicotine addiction (it's disgusting) I cant help but notice the hypocrisy here with regard to "health" issues.

I think what bothers me the most are the smug and judgemental comments about smokers in general. Nobody WANTS to be addicted to cigarettes and often the habit developes BEFORE the age of 18 BEFORE an informed, rational decision can be made. Once youre addicted it is no longer a "choice", not in the traditional sense anyway.

I dont think it's right to judge people based on a decision they made as an 11-year-old child. The statistics for breaking a nicotine habit are lower than those for breaking a cocaine or heroin habit. It is not as cut and dry as you like to believe.
I agree with you on most of your points. I don't agree with you about banning cigarettes, it would lead to the same kind of mess we're dealing with concerning other illegal drugs. Cartels would be empowered like never before. I think that all addictions should be treated as public health problems and not as crimes. I think a lot of the problems concerning smokers and non smokers is poor manners. Like I said above about restaurants, just because I'm in a smoking section and I can smoke, I won't light up if some family has been seated near me with children, I just don't think it's right. If I'm commuting with a non smoker I'll either not smoke (if it's a short ride) or I'll crack my window and hold the cigarette outside the whole time except when I'm taking a drag, then I exhale through the window.

Do you want to go to a hospital that puts tobacco addiction above knowledge and skill? Would you wanna be seen by a lesser skilled non smoking doctor or a greater skilled doctor that smoked?

The deciding factor in hiring an employee should be his/her ability to perform the job as compared to the other candidates.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#57 Feb 7, 2013
Bill wrote:
What they are proposing is a non hire policy of anyone who tests positive for nicotine. That means not only people who smoke tobacco but also those electronic cigarettes that only create water vapor, nicotine patches, gums, etc.

What if your spouse smokes? You inhale second hand smoke and now you have nicotine in your system. I guess this policy means you can't date or be married to a smoker either.
Yep Bill, you've hit on another violation of civil liberties this hits on..
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#58 Feb 7, 2013
For those who deny the physical addiction and withdrawals of nicotine:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/artic...
Save the Lungs

Cumming, GA

#59 Feb 7, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
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Im on the edge of a breakthrough where my smoking is concerned. I do realise it's a choice, just a decision that needs to be made and followed through...
I've put other vices away... serious ones... this one is really no different. I HATE cigarettes. Ughhh..
This is some of that fuzzy part...how to quit. I quit 15 years ago. It is most definitely not easy. There are still rare times when I would like one. I also know that "one" cigarette would quickly become a pack a day habit again.
Anybody that's trying to quit has my wholehearted support and best wishes.
You know who you are.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Southbury, CT

#60 Feb 7, 2013
Save the Lungs wrote:
<quoted text>This is some of that fuzzy part...how to quit. I quit 15 years ago. It is most definitely not easy. There are still rare times when I would like one. I also know that "one" cigarette would quickly become a pack a day habit again.
Anybody that's trying to quit has my wholehearted support and best wishes.
You know who you are.
I quit for 14 months. Not a day went by that I didn't want a cigarette. I eventually started back and I'm happier as a smoker then not.
wow

Bristol, VA

#61 Feb 7, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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I quit for 14 months. Not a day went by that I didn't want a cigarette. I eventually started back and I'm happier as a smoker then not.
i also quit for over a year and gain 75+ poundsa and was miserable and i started back and im happy and lost weight
Marsha 86

Johnson City, TN

#62 Feb 7, 2013
wow wrote:
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i also quit for over a year and gain 75+ poundsa and was miserable and i started back and im happy and lost weight
Whats 7 or 8 years off your life...Right?

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