Mountain States Health Alliance Says ...
Pop

Nashville, TN

#21 Feb 6, 2013
wow wrote:
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this is still a free country and i dont care who likes it or not its my business not yours!!! anyd as long as there for sale i will buy them . and for futher more if you dont like it stay away from it but dont try to tell people how to live there lives
I'm not telling you how to live your life. You want to smoke, then smoke. If you want to kill yourself, go for it. But smoking at work infringes on your co-workers and you get paid for working, not smoking. Away from work, do what you want.
Pop

Nashville, TN

#22 Feb 6, 2013
JCD wrote:
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Well aren't you all nice and smug. I've really only got one thing to say about you and your opinion... Go f**k yourself.
That wasn't my opinion, it was reality. Nobody wants a smoker working for them. Get used to the idea because that's just how it is.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#23 Feb 6, 2013
lulz wrote:
how is this not discrimination? Anymore so than not hiring someone because they are gay,black, muslim etc? I understand it's a private business, but it seems discriminatory to me.
It's descrimination at its finest
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#24 Feb 6, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, a smoker demanding some rights. Smoke at home, not at work. Nobody is paying you for being in the smoking area. Nobody wants to smell an ash tray everywhere you walk. Smoking isn't acceptable any longer, face it.
I don't believe in Smokers rights or any other secular rights BS.. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and all Americans civil liberties. It's descrimination, pure and simple..
JCD

Jonesborough, TN

#25 Feb 6, 2013
Pop wrote:
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That wasn't my opinion, it was reality. Nobody wants a smoker working for them. Get used to the idea because that's just how it is.
This time I want you to visualize me blowing a HUGE cloud of cigarette smoke in your face as I tell you to go f**k yourself.
Pop

Nashville, TN

#26 Feb 6, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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It's descrimination at its finest
That's ridiculous. If you base hiring on race, religion or sex, it would be discrimination. If you don't hire due to a disability, that is illegal as well. Smoking isn't protected by anything. I will let you figure out why.
Pop

Nashville, TN

#27 Feb 6, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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I don't believe in Smokers rights or any other secular rights BS.. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and all Americans civil liberties. It's descrimination, pure and simple..
Where in the Constitution does it say smokers have unalienable rights? Get real
lulz

Johnson City, TN

#28 Feb 6, 2013
I also feel all of you saying that people aren't paid to smoke, no body wants a smoker. That's easy. No smoking while at work or on the premises. If caught terminate. But to discriminate the hiring process is wrong. I expect a lawsuit to come out of this eventually if they stick to their guns.
Hire

Johnson City, TN

#29 Feb 6, 2013
They are not hiring smokers at all weather it's smokers that due it at home or at work. But they are letting the people who smoke now still continue to work their. Why? Because to many people would get fired. Well it they are going make it mandatory for new hires they should make it mandatory for the current employees.

Next it will be if your BMI is over (xxx) we will not hire you.

Or if your diabetic we will not hire you
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#30 Feb 6, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Where in the Constitution does it say smokers have unalienable rights? Get real
Lmfao, you just don't get it do you? Because of the actions of a few inconsiderate smokers, all smokers will suffer now. Smokers etiquette has a lot to do with this problem. In the State I currently live in, smoking is still allowed in restaurants. When I'm sitting in the smoking section and some moron brings his kids to the smoking section, I refuse to smoke around the kids, ill wait until I leave. Like at the JCMC, there's no sense in making people sit in their car to smoke, this makes those of you that "can't stand the smell of smoke" have to smell it from smokers cooped up in their cars getting it concentrated into their clothes. To have guards hassle people that have walked a mile to light up outside while their loved one is hurt or dying inside is cruel and I've seen those rent a cops get cussed several times for doing so. What an employee does after work or at home is none of the employers business.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#31 Feb 6, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>Where in the Constitution does it say smokers have unalienable rights? Get real
Where does it say that we don't?
Pop

Elizabethton, TN

#32 Feb 6, 2013
JCD wrote:
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This time I want you to visualize me blowing a HUGE cloud of cigarette smoke in your face as I tell you to go f**k yourself.
The only thing I am visualizing is you in the unemployment line living off food stamps and using them for your beer and cigarettes wishing for a new tattoo.
Pop

Elizabethton, TN

#33 Feb 6, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Lmfao, you just don't get it do you? Because of the actions of a few inconsiderate smokers, all smokers will suffer now. Smokers etiquette has a lot to do with this problem. In the State I currently live in, smoking is still allowed in restaurants. When I'm sitting in the smoking section and some moron brings his kids to the smoking section, I refuse to smoke around the kids, ill wait until I leave. Like at the JCMC, there's no sense in making people sit in their car to smoke, this makes those of you that "can't stand the smell of smoke" have to smell it from smokers cooped up in their cars getting it concentrated into their clothes. To have guards hassle people that have walked a mile to light up outside while their loved one is hurt or dying inside is cruel and I've seen those rent a cops get cussed several times for doing so. What an employee does after work or at home is none of the employers business.
And I'm in full agreement with your statements on this post. What you do at home or away from work is your business.
wow

Bristol, VA

#34 Feb 6, 2013
Pop wrote:
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And I'm in full agreement with your statements on this post. What you do at home or away from work is your business.
what i do any time is my business as long as i am not bothering anyone else i dont see what the big deal is i smoke and im a very hard worker i know alot of people that smoke and are the best workers the way i see it there loss good thing i work for myself
nonsmoker

Charlotte, NC

#35 Feb 7, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
Like above post stated, if people can't be smokers as they should be "Examples of good health" then all obese employees should be terminated also. Hell, why they're at it, make employees follow strict diets and make a marathon run part of the employment process. Hold on, we're on a roll, lets require all candidates to be blue eyed blonde headed pure Arians too. Also, no black people, that Afro smell kinda turns my stomach..
You're getting into things that people can't change about themselves. People can change their habits. Some people can't help that they're fat due to health problems.... Key word... SOME
Sister Fatima

Jonesborough, TN

#36 Feb 7, 2013
I am a smoker... I wish they would simply ban cigarettes altogether. It would be easier to quit if I could not buy them. Furthermore, if MSHA wants to hire non-smokers only, that's their right to do so. If everybody did that Im positive I could quit smoking..

As for setting an example for healthy living, if they are going to single-out smoking behavior they should also look closely at obesity. Issues associated with Being over-weight kills more people annually than smoking related illnesses.

While I cannot rationalize my own nicotine addiction (it's disgusting) I cant help but notice the hypocrisy here with regard to "health" issues.

I think what bothers me the most are the smug and judgemental comments about smokers in general. Nobody WANTS to be addicted to cigarettes and often the habit developes BEFORE the age of 18 BEFORE an informed, rational decision can be made. Once youre addicted it is no longer a "choice", not in the traditional sense anyway.

I dont think it's right to judge people based on a decision they made as an 11-year-old child. The statistics for breaking a nicotine habit are lower than those for breaking a cocaine or heroin habit. It is not as cut and dry as you like to believe.
Pop

Nashville, TN

#37 Feb 7, 2013
Sister Fatima wrote:
I am a smoker... I wish they would simply ban cigarettes altogether. It would be easier to quit if I could not buy them. Furthermore, if MSHA wants to hire non-smokers only, that's their right to do so. If everybody did that Im positive I could quit smoking..
As for setting an example for healthy living, if they are going to single-out smoking behavior they should also look closely at obesity. Issues associated with Being over-weight kills more people annually than smoking related illnesses.
While I cannot rationalize my own nicotine addiction (it's disgusting) I cant help but notice the hypocrisy here with regard to "health" issues.
I think what bothers me the most are the smug and judgemental comments about smokers in general. Nobody WANTS to be addicted to cigarettes and often the habit developes BEFORE the age of 18 BEFORE an informed, rational decision can be made. Once youre addicted it is no longer a "choice", not in the traditional sense anyway.
I dont think it's right to judge people based on a decision they made as an 11-year-old child. The statistics for breaking a nicotine habit are lower than those for breaking a cocaine or heroin habit. It is not as cut and dry as you like to believe.
First, I respect the way you worded this post and I admire your honesty. You have a lot of good things going for you. However, you do have a choice to quit. If you have enough willpower, you can do anything. Smoking is not a physical dependency, it is a mental one. I realize it is a strong one, but nicotine dependency is only mental. Yes, there are some side effects from quitting, but they are relatively minor as compared to what smoking can do to you. You made a choice to start, even though you were very young, it was still your choice. Now you need to make a choice to quit and commit to that choice. Go one day at a time. If you relapse, try again. Get family members to support you and help you. Trust me, you can do it. I smoked for 25 years and quit cold turkey. If I can do it, you can too.
wonder woman

Duluth, GA

#38 Feb 7, 2013
Pop wrote:
<quoted text>First, I respect the way you worded this post and I admire your honesty. You have a lot of good things going for you. However, you do have a choice to quit. If you have enough willpower, you can do anything. Smoking is not a physical dependency, it is a mental one. I realize it is a strong one, but nicotine dependency is only mental. Yes, there are some side effects from quitting, but they are relatively minor as compared to what smoking can do to you. You made a choice to start, even though you were very young, it was still your choice. Now you need to make a choice to quit and commit to that choice. Go one day at a time. If you relapse, try again. Get family members to support you and help you. Trust me, you can do it. I smoked for 25 years and quit cold turkey. If I can do it, you can too.
While I have agreed with most of your posts and I appreciate the respectable way you have posted, I have to disagree with you here. Cigarette companies have been including chemicals in their products that DO cause physical dependency. I am a non smoker but my parents have smoked my whole life. My father quit but my mother cannot. I don't fuss at her anymore because it just causes tension. She is in her 70's and I just don't want to aggravate the situation.
On another note I think that the practice of not hiring a smoker is along the same lines of not hiring someone with a bad credit score. Not really discriminatory. It's a tough job market in today's economy and it is an employers market so they can make hiring decisions based on criteria like this.
wonder woman

Duluth, GA

#39 Feb 7, 2013
Not sure I agree with this. Can you post your source for this statistic please? "Issues associated with Being over-weight kills more people annually than smoking related illnesses. "
Pete

Nashville, TN

#40 Feb 7, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
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While I have agreed with most of your posts and I appreciate the respectable way you have posted, I have to disagree with you here. Cigarette companies have been including chemicals in their products that DO cause physical dependency. I am a non smoker but my parents have smoked my whole life. My father quit but my mother cannot. I don't fuss at her anymore because it just causes tension. She is in her 70's and I just don't want to aggravate the situation.
On another note I think that the practice of not hiring a smoker is along the same lines of not hiring someone with a bad credit score. Not really discriminatory. It's a tough job market in today's economy and it is an employers market so they can make hiring decisions based on criteria like this.
You make a lot of good points WW, but the only addictive thing in cigarettes is nicotine. However, it is highly addictive. But it is strictly a mental dependency. When you try to stop, you crave it, but your body doesn't suffer damage from the withdrawal. It is hard to quit, but it can be done. You sort of have to make it one week, then it gets easier. At least that is my experience. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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