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#90 Apr 4, 2013
This is one of those issues that people believe they Really know their position on Until it happens to someone in their family. Or to them. Gay marriage. Interacial relationships. Methadone treatment.
All of these things will bitch-slap you into the Real World when they happen to You or someone you love.
You'll see, eventually.
It will happen to you.
Are You ready?
Zac Talbott of TN NAMA R

Kodak, TN

#91 Apr 4, 2013
Concerned wrote:
Concerned
wrote:
"If you read the past posts you can see exactly which problems are being referred to."
Zac Talbott of TN NAMA R
wrote:
"No, there has not been any citations of specific problems; Only generalized myths & assumptions."
Problems/concerns that have been mentioned in past posts:
Increase in crime.(Which was pointed out not to be true.)
Decrease in property values.
The possibility of parking issues at the clinic.
The long lines of people waiting to receive their dosage (and their behavior).
Increase in traffic.
Possible accident risks after people have received their dosage.
Concerns that the clinic might not follow strict guidelines and will take patients for reasons other than opiate addiction.
Concerns that methadone clinics do not offer a detox (from the methadone) program.
I think only one person aggressively opposed the clinic.
Most of the posts have expressed concerns and offered possible solutions to possible problems.
Many of the posts have been informative, and have addressed the concerns mentioned
Exactly. There are no *specific* citations. Property values are NOT decreased where clinics have been opened. That is a generalized myth based in stigma. There have been numerous studies done on this as well. A patient maintained on a stable dose of methadone is not impaired when driving in any way. Again, this has been proven time and time again by various medical & academic authorities throughout the world. Clinic do NOT take people who do not have opioids present in their system the day of their intake. The Knoxville clinic doesn't, and none do. They would be shut down their very next review by SAMHSA, the DEA, and/or the State Methadone Authority (all of which do random, individual, separate & comprehensive evaluations of each treatment facility several times a year). All methadone maintenance treatment centers/clinics have medical detox protocols & programs. All a patient has to do is ask and they will be advised. Every single clinic provides this information upon admission to their program per SAMHSA's TIP 43. It has been proven that traffic is not increased by methadone treatment programs any more than any other medical facility that specialized in the treatment of a chronic disease. I have worked with the clinic that has the highest patient census in the State of Georgia, and the line for dosing at that clinic (Private Clinic North in Rossville, GA) is never more than 4 or 5 people deep and, when dosing only and not seeing a counselor, patients are typically in the clinic less than 10 minutes.

There have not been any *specific* citations of instances in which this has been proven to happen at or because of either of the two treatment centers in Knoxville, as I stated earlier, and these "concerns" are all based on misinformation & generalized "NIMBY" (not in my back yard) stigma. Anyone who is serious about understanding methadone treatment and/or the implications for a community when one opens should visit *credible* academic and governmental sources to see the truth... U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services, SAMHSA, CDC, AATOD, ASAM, AMA, APA, WHO, NAMA, etc. etc.

I encourage everyone who wants to know the truth to visit the links I have provided previously in this discussion.

In solidarity with the truth,
Zac Talbott, Director & Patient Advocate
National Alliance for Medication Assisted Recovery
NAMA Recovery of Tennessee
tndirector@methadone.org
Zac Talbott of TN NAMA R

Kodak, TN

#92 Apr 4, 2013
Clear the Air wrote:
This is one of those issues that people believe they Really know their position on Until it happens to someone in their family. Or to them. Gay marriage. Interacial relationships. Methadone treatment.
All of these things will bitch-slap you into the Real World when they happen to You or someone you love.
You'll see, eventually.
It will happen to you.
Are You ready?
This is a very good point. Opioid Addiction knows no racial, ethnic, socioeconomic, gender, professional or other boundaries... With the heroin and opioid analgesic addiction epidemic that is sweeping the nation and the State of Tennessee the chances are very great that someone all of us know and love will deal with the chronic disease of opioid addiction and be interested in knowing what the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has made clear is the *most* effective treatment modality for this disease currently available: methadone maintenance treatment.

My sincere hope is that it won't take someone experiencing the difficulties of personal experiences with this disease for them to see the truth and support making it easier to get more accessible treatment.

Let's put Tennessee in perspective: The State of Georgia has 48 Opioid Treatment Programs (OTPs)... The State of Tennessee currently has 12. What will increase crime & put society at risk is continuing to allow the chronic disease of opioid addiction to go untreated and/or supporting modalities (like abstinence-based treatment for opioid addiction) that have RELAPSE rates HIGHER than 90% while having the research & data showing that methadone maintenance treatment has relapse rates at or below 30%. The research and statistics are clear. When will we put the truth, facts & best interest of our state ahead of fact-less misinformation & stigma?

Holding onto hope,
Zac Talbott, Director & Patient Advocate
National Alliance for Medication Assisted Recovery
NAMA Recovery of Tennessee
tndirector@methadone.org
Concerned

AOL

#93 Apr 4, 2013
Zac, I have experienced this within my own family; a nephew. And the problems I mentioned about parking, long lines and behavior are eye witness accounts as told by my nephew and his parents (they have taken him to the clinic several times).

My nephew admittedly abused the system, but his accounts of what has taken place are verified by his parents.

I believe that sooner or later a methadone clinic will be located in Johnson City.
And I think it is reasonable for the community to ask city officials to hold an open forum to address any questions or concerns people might have.

Openness, a willingness to discuss concerns in a peaceful matter and providing education and information will be the keys to easing any tension and/or concerns the community may have.

If you sincerely want to be an accepted and respected part of any community the first step is stop seeing every question or concern as an attack and also to stop viweing people that have concerns as the enemy.

If these concerns are unfounded then discussing them and sharing information (as has been done here in each of these posts) will go a long way toward easing tensions and towards opening closed minds.

Since: Mar 13

Morgantown, WV

#94 Apr 4, 2013
over it wrote:
check out the documentary called "methadonia" it should be a good insight to how johnson city would look with addict "zombies" roaming around stealing, and doing crazy things for some cash to get their next fix.
The Documentary "Methadonia" is anything but an accurate depiction of one who is properly following their Methadone Maintenance Treatment. That documentary as well as the creator Michael Negroponte came under much scrutiny as a result of his neglegent efforts in being true to the facts and truth ab Methadone Maintenance Treatment.
You should check out some of Mr. Negroponte's comments as it stands all these years later.

And Johnson City will look like a new improved Johnson City once this facilities doors open.....it's a facility that offers the most effective treatment available for the Disease of Opioid Addiction. So Johnson City will have more of its community members who are PEOPLE too, being a more productive part of the community as well as contributing in the most positive of ways. That's what MMT helps those suffering from this horrific disease to do...to LIVE their lives again. It makes it possible for those of us who suffer with this disease to be an active part of our existence again. It will ensure that the community is stronger and it will also ENSURE that its citizens are not being sacrificed bc some individuals think that they can decide what Diseases are "worthy" of treatment.....
Zac Talbott of TN NAMA R

Kodak, TN

#95 Apr 4, 2013
Concerned wrote:
Zac, I have experienced this within my own family; a nephew. And the problems I mentioned about parking, long lines and behavior are eye witness accounts as told by my nephew and his parents (they have taken him to the clinic several times).
My nephew admittedly abused the system, but his accounts of what has taken place are verified by his parents.
I believe that sooner or later a methadone clinic will be located in Johnson City.
And I think it is reasonable for the community to ask city officials to hold an open forum to address any questions or concerns people might have.
Openness, a willingness to discuss concerns in a peaceful matter and providing education and information will be the keys to easing any tension and/or concerns the community may have.
If you sincerely want to be an accepted and respected part of any community the first step is stop seeing every question or concern as an attack and also to stop viweing people that have concerns as the enemy.
If these concerns are unfounded then discussing them and sharing information (as has been done here in each of these posts) will go a long way toward easing tensions and towards opening closed minds.
I was a patient at BHG Knoxville Medical Clinic for several years when I first sought treatment. I *never* experienced or witnessed ANY of the things you're saying were "eyewitness accounts" after attending every day, then multiple times a week, then once a week for over 3 years. Furthermore, if your nephew had NO opioids detectable in his system the day of his intake appointment then he would not have been admitted. They would not be open today if they admitted patients without documented proof from an offsite lab of the presence of opioids in a patient's system. There are some things that are just facts.

Furthermore I agree that folks should be able to ask questions and be given the truth and information; That is exactly what I, and others, have been trying to do by sharing the evidence-based scientific medical research, facts & data (and providing sources and links to other credible resources to further education and understanding).

I have meetings at both BHG Knoxville Medical Clinics next week. It has been a few months since I have been to either of those clinics, so I'll be sure to keep my eyes open for the things you are saying occur there and report back to this feed after I get home from my meetings on Tuesday.

In solidarity with the truth & hope,
Zac Talbott, Director & Patient Advocate
National Alliance for Medication Assisted Recovery
NAMA Recovery of Tennessee
tndirector@methadone.org
sshaffar

High Point, NC

#96 Oct 9, 2013
You obviously are listening to uneducated people gossip. People who go to methadone clinics are not allowed to dose if they are wearing pajamas. They also do not "hang around". They spend about 15 minutes there...they sign in, pay with their own money I might add, take their dose, and then leave for work.

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