Will a Methadone Clinic becoming to JC

Will a Methadone Clinic becoming to JC

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Concerned

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#1 Mar 5, 2013
If you live in the Johnson City area I suggest you do some research about the reality of what having a Methadone Clinic in your neighborhood will mean. To begin with methadone is supposed to help people that suffer from drug addiction to begin to ease them off whatever drug they are abusing; but methadone is a substitute for synthetic herion! and is usually much worse and even more addictive than many other drugs. Also if these clinics were really interested in weaning people off their addictions they would start at a certain dosage and lower that dosage over time, but in fact they do the opposite, they repeatedly increase the dosage. Most methadone clinic patients have been going for YEARS! with no fore-seeable future for ending their addiction. A methadone clinic will also cause property values to go down. There is also a noted increase in the amount of auto accidents, because methadone has some of the same side effects as many drugs. I agree that people stuggling with drug addiction need a place where they can go to seek help for their addiction. But methadone just substitutes addiction of one drug for addiction to another drug.
Kingsporter

Lawrenceville, GA

#4 Mar 8, 2013
Having been a patient, I can tell you there are some truths in your post, but many myths.

Patients can come off of methadone. I did. Like weight gain/loss, addicts don't get addicted overnight, and they don't get un-addicted overnight. People who come off opiate drugs too fast or drop out of treatment, often relapse, and go back to illegal drugs. Plus, so people have permanent pain issues (accidents, surgeries, etc.) and methadone provides the pain relief they need.

Crime and illegal drugs go hand-in-hand. This will decrease property values. There are over 1,000 of these types of clinics in the US. If they were the evil empire you say, they'd be shut down.

Crime and property values myth. I checked out the study mention in the writeup about crime, and it's true. Clinics do not increase crime: http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/drugs/c...

These clinics want to set up shop where there's a serious problem. If our community was as drug- and crime-free as we'd like to think, it'll go out of business. It's not, and it's unfortunate that we need one of these, but it's better than the alternative.
Paying the price

Johnson City, TN

#5 Mar 8, 2013
Well, it's just another way self-centered addicts are making the community pay the price for their problems. Taxpayers pay the price, homeowners pay the price, their families pay the price. I have no respect for drug addicts and I hope to hell J.C. does not allow a methadone clinic. That would be just peachy for downtown, now wouldnt it? Bunch of pajama wearing creepers hanging out in the midst of a growing revitalization. I don't want any more ownership of their problems than I have to put up with at present. It's their OWN damn fault they choose the life.
curious

Johnson City, TN

#6 Mar 8, 2013
Question: Are we having this discussion becuase there is currently a possibility of a Methadone Clinic coming to J.C. in the near future, or are you just discussing the Clinics in general?...thank you
Concerned

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#7 Mar 8, 2013
curious wrote:
Question: Are we having this discussion becuase there is currently a possibility of a Methadone Clinic coming to J.C. in the near future, or are you just discussing the Clinics in general?...thank you
I suppose we are discussing both. It is very likely that the purposed clinic in Johnson City will be approved.
Concerned

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#8 Mar 8, 2013
(response to Kingsporter) I too have had some personal experience related to a methadone clinic located in Knoxville. I personally know serveal people who have been going there for over 10 years. My own nephew, a pot smoker, never had a problem with any other drugs until he started going to the methadone clinic. Lots of the people that go to the clinic turn around and sell their methadone waffers. I knew an alcholic that did not drink and drive but would drive after being dosed at the clinic and twice in less than a year passed out behind the wheel driving back from the clinic. My nephew would laugh about how people standing in line at the clinic to get their "cheap $10 fix" would be drinking, drunk or high and the clinic would still give them their dose. I know there will always be people that abuse any system, but in my opinion; clinics such as methadone clinics need to be better regulated. And if they are really interested in helping people get clean and stay clean they need a better plan than just handing out a powerful drug without followup care and no workable goal or plan for getting patients off such a powerful drug.
I realize each experience is different, but from what I have seen first hand, methadone clinics just hand out methadone to anyone willing to pay for it.
And I would like to add one more thing : Congratulations, may you continue to stay strong and clean. Best wishes for good health and happiness to be your's.
Concerned

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#9 Mar 8, 2013
Paying the price, I understand your concerns and frustration; and even share some of them. If a methadone clinic comes to Johnson City it will likely attract types like you mentioned. As was/is the case at the one located in Knoxvillie, people from as far away as NC would, and I'm assuming still do, drive to it. But there will also be people who will be genuinely seeking help. Though, in my opinion it will mainly be people looking for a cheap way to continue their drug addiction.
Concerned

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#10 Mar 8, 2013
Obviously there are no easy solutions. But perhaps city officials can look at the methadone clinic in Knoxvillie and weigh both the disadvatages and advatages of having a clinic in the area. If they approve it and decide to allow a methadone clinic locally, hopefully they will also use the Knoxville clinic for ideas and suggestions for what will not work and put a plan in place that can attempt to not have the citizens of Johnson City dealing with the same issues that were/are inflicted upon people and businesses located near the clinic in Knoxville.
One of the complaints realted to the clinic in Knoxville was/is parking. Sometimes (usually early morning) there are as many as a hundred people all showing up at the same. Once the parking lot was full, people parked on the street, or in other parking lots. Another complaint was the "unsightly" long lines of people standing outside waiting in line. There were (possibly still are) complaints of drinking, vulgar language, fighting and urinating in public. In all fairness the police did try to deter such behavior but there was some kind of uproar from the clinic about police violating people's right to privacy (the people complained that the police were cruising by the clinic so they could later identify and pull over cars that had been to the clinic.
So, If a clinic is approved, those are issues that will need to be addressed.
But in my opinion, the biggest issue would be regulation. They [the clinic] should be required to make sure that there is an actual medical need, and; should not be allowed to just hand out methadone to whomever walks through the door.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#11 Mar 9, 2013
Before I moved, there was a pharmacy in the tri cities being robbed nearly weekly. If 1 out of 10 people use a methadone clinic to restore some sort of quality of life then it's worth it in my opinion. A person with opiate withdrawals can't get or keep a job, addiction needs to be treated as a medical condition instead of a social taboo. For those of you that have never dealt with addiction, you'll never fully understand it, just as some of us don't understand what it is to be an insensitive asshole. For those of you being judgemental, maybe you'll see things different one day when your son or daughter springs the bad news on you that they don't know how, but they've ended up becoming an addict. If that day happens, I hope you have a place to turn to for some type of help.
Concerned

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#12 Mar 9, 2013
I'm actually not being judgemental, I agree, people struggling with addiction need help. But from what I have seen, and I realize not every place is the same, but from what I have seen and have heard from people that go to those clinics; the clinics are maining misused and the people operating the clinic know it and don't care.
Should a clinic be approved for the Johnson City, a logical expectation is that these concerns should be addressed before the clinic opens it's doors. If there are solutions in place for foreseeable problems or if there is a plan already in place to deal with issues should they come up; then things will go a lot more smoothly for everyone.
But if they just throw open the doors and start handing out methadone to anyone that has the money to pay, then in my opinion they will not only fail the very people they claim to be helping but they will also fail the community in general.
That is why I think there should be better regulation of such clinics and that before they begin giving anyone methadone that the patient should have a medical exam not only to verify need for treatment but also to deterimine the patients health needs and any medications the patient might already be taking or medical problems the patient might have; in some cases I'm sure methadone conflicts with certain medications or health issues. These are all things that should be taken into consideration before any type of drug/medication is given to a patient.
But when a clinic hands out methadone to just anybody that walks through the door and has the money to pay, they are not providing a legitimate medical service.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#13 Mar 9, 2013
Concerned wrote:
I'm actually not being judgemental, I agree, people struggling with addiction need help. But from what I have seen, and I realize not every place is the same, but from what I have seen and have heard from people that go to those clinics; the clinics are maining misused and the people operating the clinic know it and don't care.
Should a clinic be approved for the Johnson City, a logical expectation is that these concerns should be addressed before the clinic opens it's doors. If there are solutions in place for foreseeable problems or if there is a plan already in place to deal with issues should they come up; then things will go a lot more smoothly for everyone.
But if they just throw open the doors and start handing out methadone to anyone that has the money to pay, then in my opinion they will not only fail the very people they claim to be helping but they will also fail the community in general.
That is why I think there should be better regulation of such clinics and that before they begin giving anyone methadone that the patient should have a medical exam not only to verify need for treatment but also to deterimine the patients health needs and any medications the patient might already be taking or medical problems the patient might have; in some cases I'm sure methadone conflicts with certain medications or health issues. These are all things that should be taken into consideration before any type of drug/medication is given to a patient.
But when a clinic hands out methadone to just anybody that walks through the door and has the money to pay, they are not providing a legitimate medical service.
The people I worked with that participated in the methadone clinics were able to function and financially support their addiction and their family.

I agree with your points about abuse to the system and I'm sure the place my friends went to in Asheville knew they were bonified addicts. If they passed a piss test they were allowed to take a weeks worth home, if they failed they had to come in daily to the clinic to be dosed. The wafers are broken up in pieces to try and make it harder for resale.

I'd rather see these addicts have a legitimate chance at working. When their habit costs more then they can make in a day at street prices, they do desperate things. Methadone clinics will be a way of curbing black market prescription drug sales, the folks I knew preferred the methadone and never risked doing the black market stuff.
yup

Abingdon, VA

#14 Mar 9, 2013
Concerned wrote:
(response to Kingsporter) My own nephew, a pot smoker, never had a problem with any other drugs until he started going to the methadone clinic.
Why would he be going to a methadone clinic if he was only smoking pot?
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#15 Mar 9, 2013
yup wrote:
<quoted text>Why would he be going to a methadone clinic if he was only smoking pot?
I think that's where the mentality comes in that if pot is legal, everybody will do it. I doubt that everybody will go to the methadone clinic and exploit them just because "they can"..
Concerned

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#16 Mar 10, 2013
yup wrote:
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Why would he be going to a methadone clinic if he was only smoking pot?
He smoked pot for years, almost on a daily basis, he didn't drink or use other drugs, just the pot. Someone told him about the clinic, and said it was more affordable than pot. Sadly, in my opinion, he's one of the ones that abused the system. He traded his pot addiction for addiction to methadone.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#17 Mar 10, 2013
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>He smoked pot for years, almost on a daily basis, he didn't drink or use other drugs, just the pot. Someone told him about the clinic, and said it was more affordable than pot. Sadly, in my opinion, he's one of the ones that abused the system. He traded his pot addiction for addiction to methadone.
Pot isn't an addiction
xxxxxx

Johnson City, TN

#18 Mar 10, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Pot isn't an addiction
To some people it may be. Depends on the individual.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#19 Mar 10, 2013
xxxxxx wrote:
<quoted text>To some people it may be. Depends on the individual.
It's chemically impossible. It's scientific fact. Habits and addictions are way different
Concerned

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#20 Mar 10, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Pot isn't an addiction
I know many agree with that. Either way, in my opinion, the methadone is much worse than smoking pot.
He never just nodded off when smoking pot and though if he didn't have any pot to smoke he would crave it but could do without and not have any bad side effects.
But with the methadone he becomes obsessed if he thinks there is even a possiblity that he might not get it that day.
I just do not think methadone is a safe tradeoff for smoking pot.
I don't think the methadone clinic should have even taken him on as a patient to begin with.
And they just keep increasing the amount they give him.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#21 Mar 10, 2013
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>I know many agree with that. Either way, in my opinion, the methadone is much worse than smoking pot.
He never just nodded off when smoking pot and though if he didn't have any pot to smoke he would crave it but could do without and not have any bad side effects.
But with the methadone he becomes obsessed if he thinks there is even a possiblity that he might not get it that day.
I just do not think methadone is a safe tradeoff for smoking pot.
I don't think the methadone clinic should have even taken him on as a patient to begin with.
And they just keep increasing the amount they give him.
Of course it's not. Pot isn't a methadone worthy cause. It should be used to treat severe opiate/opioid dependencies. It's a shame a guy that was smoking pot ended up at a methadone clinic in the first place..
over it

Johnson City, TN

#22 Mar 10, 2013
check out the documentary called "methadonia" it should be a good insight to how johnson city would look with addict "zombies" roaming around stealing, and doing crazy things for some cash to get their next fix.

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