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Hillbillyboy

United States

#164 Sep 16, 2013
Muddy wrote:
<quoted text>WRONG!!! The word "manison" in N.T is "resting place" in oroginal Greek. Also, Hebrew word for "sky" and "heaven" is the SAME!! There are many other examples. Also, i did NOT say Bible was false, per se...i merely stated that with translations, liter meaning is difficult!
Um, no..its not "resting place", but "abiding place". A dwelling likened unto an apartment, in this case.

(within the Fathers House)

The word mansion is entirely correct. Here is the Oxford Dictionary definition of mansion...

The excerpt of the article...

"a large, impressive house.
(mansion block) British a large block of flats.
[in names] a terrace or mansion block:

Carlyle Mansions"

Here is the link it came from...

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engl...

So, the true and correct (and long accepted) message here is that Christians have a really nice apartment to live in within The Fathers House. It is correct in definition as well as in meaning.

Your version would make it appear that everyone would be sleeping on the floors and hallways, like so many Hobos, it makes no sense.

Atheist grasp at straws to find errors that are not there.

As to your assertion that the Hebrews of antiquity didnt have the correct understanding of the concept of afterlife in Heaven, here is a link to provide you with insight on this matter...

http://www.christianmuse.com/a4mc/mc14.shtml

And we can also examine the Old Testament passage from the Book of Job...

"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"..Job 38:7

Thats not just talking about Clouds, dude.

And from David (Book of Psalms) come this next passage that is clearly about the after life...

"Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore."

Psalms 16:9-11

And also this...

"Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever."...

Psalms 73:24-26

That is clear evidence of the doctrine of eternal after life found in the Old Testament.

And it aint talking about just clouds either.

They had the multisectored sheol.

And the lowest part, "The Pit", was the eternal, burning Hell. Just as found in the Christian doctrines. It is no different from the Old Testament.

David said this...

"For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell."...Psalm 86:13

And from Isaiah...

"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."...Isaiah 66:24

And from Daniel, a clear end times prophecy that matches the Book of Revelation prophecy, and also shows a clear afterlife picture in the Old Testament that is a perfect match to Christian doctrines.

From Daniel...

"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever....

Daniel 1-3

No errors, no difference between Old and New Testaments. Dont listen to the atheist. They are wrong.
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#165 Sep 17, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, no..its not "resting place", but "abiding place". A dwelling likened unto an apartment, in this case.
(within the Fathers House)
The word mansion is entirely correct. Here is the Oxford Dictionary definition of mansion...
The excerpt of the article...
"a large, impressive house.
(mansion block) British a large block of flats.
[in names] a terrace or mansion block:
Carlyle Mansions"
Here is the link it came from...
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engl...
So, the true and correct (and long accepted) message here is that Christians have a really nice apartment to live in within The Fathers House. It is correct in definition as well as in meaning.
Your version would make it appear that everyone would be sleeping on the floors and hallways, like so many Hobos, it makes no sense.
Atheist grasp at straws to find errors that are not there.
As to your assertion that the Hebrews of antiquity didnt have the correct understanding of the concept of afterlife in Heaven, here is a link to provide you with insight on this matter...
http://www.christianmuse.com/a4mc/mc14.shtml
And we can also examine the Old Testament passage from the Book of Job...
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"..Job 38:7
Thats not just talking about Clouds, dude.
And from David (Book of Psalms) come this next passage that is clearly about the after life...
"Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore."
Psalms 16:9-11
And also this...
"Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever."...
Psalms 73:24-26
That is clear evidence of the doctrine of eternal after life found in the Old Testament.
And it aint talking about just clouds either.
They had the multisectored sheol.
And the lowest part, "The Pit", was the eternal, burning Hell. Just as found in the Christian doctrines. It is no different from the Old Testament.
David said this...
"For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell."...Psalm 86:13
And from Isaiah...
"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."...Isaiah 66:24
And from Daniel, a clear end times prophecy that matches the Book of Revelation prophecy, and also shows a clear afterlife picture in the Old Testament that is a perfect match to Christian doctrines.
From Daniel...
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever....
Daniel 1-3
No errors, no difference between Old and New Testaments. Dont listen to the atheist. They are wrong.
WRONG!! THe original GREEK says "resting place." ALso wrong, is that the O.T was JEWISH--Jews jhave NO CONCEPT of a "burning hell," or any sort of afterlife!! Sheeshh...what do you do...just listen to hack interpretations by Swaggart and his ilk?
Muddy

Big Stone Gap, VA

#166 Sep 17, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, no..its not "resting place", but "abiding place". A dwelling likened unto an apartment, in this case.
(within the Fathers House)
The word mansion is entirely correct. Here is the Oxford Dictionary definition of mansion...
The excerpt of the article...
"a large, impressive house.
(mansion block) British a large block of flats.
[in names] a terrace or mansion block:
Carlyle Mansions"
Here is the link it came from...
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engl...
So, the true and correct (and long accepted) message here is that Christians have a really nice apartment to live in within The Fathers House. It is correct in definition as well as in meaning.
Your version would make it appear that everyone would be sleeping on the floors and hallways, like so many Hobos, it makes no sense.
Atheist grasp at straws to find errors that are not there.
As to your assertion that the Hebrews of antiquity didnt have the correct understanding of the concept of afterlife in Heaven, here is a link to provide you with insight on this matter...
http://www.christianmuse.com/a4mc/mc14.shtml
And we can also examine the Old Testament passage from the Book of Job...
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"..Job 38:7
Thats not just talking about Clouds, dude.
And from David (Book of Psalms) come this next passage that is clearly about the after life...
"Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore."
Psalms 16:9-11
And also this...
"Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.
Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.
My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever."...
Psalms 73:24-26
That is clear evidence of the doctrine of eternal after life found in the Old Testament.
And it aint talking about just clouds either.
They had the multisectored sheol.
And the lowest part, "The Pit", was the eternal, burning Hell. Just as found in the Christian doctrines. It is no different from the Old Testament.
David said this...
"For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell."...Psalm 86:13
And from Isaiah...
"And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."...Isaiah 66:24
And from Daniel, a clear end times prophecy that matches the Book of Revelation prophecy, and also shows a clear afterlife picture in the Old Testament that is a perfect match to Christian doctrines.
From Daniel...
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever....
Daniel 1-3
No errors, no difference between Old and New Testaments. Dont listen to the atheist. They are wrong.
WRONG!!!
Hillbillyboy

United States

#167 Sep 17, 2013
I think everyones true colors are showing here...

The atheist extremist/ liberal democrat supporters are saying that it is perfectly OK for Christians to support Obama and the liberal democrat cause.

They are also attackig the Bible, and saying that it is not really the inspired Word of God.

The real Christians are defending the Bible (and well), and they are also exposing the sin agenda of the liberal democrat cause.

So, the anti-Christian/ anti-God/ and anti Bible bunch, are the same ones trying to lure unsuspecting Christians into supporting Obama, Hillary, and the agenda of sin that is the liberal democrat platform.

And that is what we see, once the masks have been pulled off.
Had Enough Yet

United States

#168 Sep 17, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
I think everyones true colors are showing here...
The atheist extremist/ liberal democrat supporters are saying that it is perfectly OK for Christians to support Obama and the liberal democrat cause.
They are also attackig the Bible, and saying that it is not really the inspired Word of God.
The real Christians are defending the Bible (and well), and they are also exposing the sin agenda of the liberal democrat cause.
So, the anti-Christian/ anti-God/ and anti Bible bunch, are the same ones trying to lure unsuspecting Christians into supporting Obama, Hillary, and the agenda of sin that is the liberal democrat platform.
And that is what we see, once the masks have been pulled off.
You have spoken the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. These are the same people who support government money for murder (abortion on demand paid for by taxpayers/planned parenthood/children deciding what gender they want to be, kindergarten sex ed approved by Obama and company), government handouts and tax breaks for gay marriages, the list goes on and on. This is what those people are and always have been about. Satan is in charge of their very lives because they believe the lies like little sheep. I see clearly what they are about.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#169 Sep 17, 2013
Yup, your right!

And Obamacare has all sorts of penalties for marriage, and incentives for divorce and out of wedlock shacking up.

The democrats want us to be as Godless and lost as Britain, which has a similar nanny-state system that punishes anyone who wants to even think about living along Biblical standards, and rewards those who live like hedonist.

Obamacare is many bad things.

From being a weapon shot into the heart of our Constitutional freedoms, to a big brother enslavement program, and a fleecing instrument written by insurance company lobbyist...it is also a bomb aimed at destroying the traditional American family values.

These values were historically based on Judeo-Christian values. The democrats want to change that. They are bent on destroying Christian values from America, and enforcing thier new mandatory state religion.

The religion of the anti-Christ.

The Bible never teaches against itself.

So, whomever is for God, is against the liberal democrat agenda. And whomever supports the liberal democrat agenda, is serving Satan.

Pro-choice means pro-killing. Abortion isnt about buying an ice cream. It is about killing human beings. And that is all it is.

Its just murder. Nothing glorious about murder.

No true Christian can support the wickedness of the liberal democrat cause. Its just about supporting the worst of sins.
Hillbillyboy

South Vienna, OH

#170 Sep 24, 2013
And the ridiculous, extremist position of this runaway, out of control Obama regime, is that people lost thier religious freedom just by trying to make a living...

http://www.aleteia.org/en/politics/article/hh...

The democrats are on a crusade to persecute and oppress Christians, as they are least likely to support them in thier socialist quest to subdue America, and enslave us into mandatory totalitarian socialism.

And, unbelievably, some Christians will be dumb enough to support them.

Thus, they will support the very socialist regime that wants to take away thier religious freedom, and lure them into totalitarian slavery.

But then again, Adam and Eve listened to Satan, and ate of the forbidden fruit, didnt they?

Did it do them any good?

Will supporting Obama and the democrats, do any Christian any good?
Pro

Watauga, TN

#171 Sep 28, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
I think everyones true colors are showing here...
The atheist extremist/ liberal democrat supporters are saying that it is perfectly OK for Christians to support Obama and the liberal democrat cause.
They are also attackig the Bible, and saying that it is not really the inspired Word of God.
The real Christians are defending the Bible (and well), and they are also exposing the sin agenda of the liberal democrat cause.
So, the anti-Christian/ anti-God/ and anti Bible bunch, are the same ones trying to lure unsuspecting Christians into supporting Obama, Hillary, and the agenda of sin that is the liberal democrat platform.
And that is what we see, once the masks have been pulled off.
The world is flat and anyone who says it isn't , is going to hell.
Pro

Watauga, TN

#172 Sep 28, 2013
Had Enough Yet wrote:
<quoted text>
You have spoken the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. These are the same people who support government money for murder (abortion on demand paid for by taxpayers/planned parenthood/children deciding what gender they want to be, kindergarten sex ed approved by Obama and company), government handouts and tax breaks for gay marriages, the list goes on and on. This is what those people are and always have been about. Satan is in charge of their very lives because they believe the lies like little sheep. I see clearly what they are about.
It's sounds as if you are prepared for civil war. Or are you just about words?
Happy

Johnson City, TN

#173 Sep 28, 2013
In my life I have never read so much misinformation, so many lies, and such deceit. God is not a Republican. Or a Democrat.
Can we agree

United States

#174 Sep 29, 2013
Happy wrote:
In my life I have never read so much misinformation, so many lies, and such deceit. God is not a Republican. Or a Democrat.
The difference is the Demonrats lay down with the hollywood devil's advocates and one of the same.
Needed

Banner Elk, NC

#175 Sep 29, 2013
Can we agree wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is the Demonrats lay down with the hollywood devil's advocates and one of the same.
what does that mean? You must be a dumb Republican, because anyone who votes Republican is either rich or stupid!
Hillbillyboy

United States

#176 Sep 29, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>what does that mean? You must be a dumb Republican, because anyone who votes Republican is either rich or stupid!
One of the things about Christian doctrine is that we believe that no good comes from lies.

And Obama and the democrats are liars to the point of extremity. Check this out...

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/27/pre...

Lies...Lies...Lies
Happy

Johnson City, TN

#177 Oct 1, 2013
Never reference Fox News if you intend to provide proof.
Lindsey Marr

Watauga, TN

#178 Oct 1, 2013
Happy wrote:
Never reference Fox News if you intend to provide proof.
Fox News is cited over 200 times during every 24 hour period for inaccuracies or outright lies. Theya are owned by an immigrant who should clearly be behind bars who is married to a Chinese whore hand his age and they call themselves "Christians"

80% of those polled who voted for Obama were Christians! I was one of them.

I'm not fooled by satan and Fox News. Obama is a brother in Christ.
Cordovan shoes

Kingsport, TN

#179 Oct 2, 2013
Regardless of your politics, it's clear that the lines have become very, very fuzzy. Don't rely on what you have read or seen via the media. Look into your heart and determine what is real and what is fodder. Before you polarize, shut up and keep in mind it is all a matter of who and what you want to believe as truth or bullshit, and don't buy into the "us vs: them" entertainment fluff. The media is doing their best to influence your intelligence (in an insulting manner). I for one don't believe most of the stuff. Anyone who quotes any news media is just being hoodwinked into a unilateral and most likely false opinion. You have got a mind, use it without being influenced by jive ass media.
Greg

Banner Elk, NC

#180 Oct 2, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
One of the things about Christian doctrine is that we believe that no good comes from lies.
And Obama and the democrats are liars to the point of extremity. Check this out...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/27/pre...
Lies...Lies...Lies
You talk about no good coming from lies and then cite Fox News??? You really need to practice what you preach.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#181 Oct 3, 2013
Greg wrote:
<quoted text>
You talk about no good coming from lies and then cite Fox News??? You really need to practice what you preach.
Fox news is pretty much owned by the mainstream GOP big shots. But they can be useful, in that they will publish stories that are embarrassing to the administration, and the leftist media just covers up and suppresses.

And the liberal media will sometimes publish stories that may be embarrassing to a republican administration, that fox news might not cover, or not cover fully.

That is how to use the news media in this country.

But I do find that all of the American media is alnted one way or the other.
Carrie

Banner Elk, NC

#182 Oct 4, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Fox news is pretty much owned by the mainstream GOP big shots. But they can be useful, in that they will publish stories that are embarrassing to the administration, and the leftist media just covers up and suppresses.
And the liberal media will sometimes publish stories that may be embarrassing to a republican administration, that fox news might not cover, or not cover fully.
That is how to use the news media in this country.
But I do find that all of the American media is alnted one way or the other.
Using your logic, anyone that watches and supports Fox News, is going to hell because of the lies and misinformation that they have been proven distribute.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#184 Oct 4, 2013
Carrie wrote:
<quoted text>
Using your logic, anyone that watches and supports Fox News, is going to hell because of the lies and misinformation that they have been proven distribute.
You misquoted my logic, and said that my teachings are different than what I actually do say.

You have to be as harmless as a dove (dont personally lie yourself) but wise as a serpent (dont believe the lies of liars).

Thus, if one promotes something that they know is a deliberate lie (as the liberals do) then they do that unto sin.

If they try to hide the evil deeds of the democrats, and try to spin good deeds of the conservatives into appearing to look like evil deeds, when they are not, then they do that unto evil.

When liberals say that abortion and gay marriage are compatible with Christianity, then that also is a lie.

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