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Nov 11, 2012
 
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Of course it's not. If it was truth and factual information, it would be just that.
Are you trying to make a point or does this "road" continue on forever without any destination?
the road ends here, you believe that propaganda is based on lies (for the most part) but refuse to believe there's any truth in conspiracy theories which are derived from these same non factual propaganda ploys. Do you see the contradiction?
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what about this wrote:
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Damn I havent checked that out yet, but hearing all kinds of bullshit happening up in the NE, hopefully they will catch on soon. Which when the shits actually hitting your fan in front of you, its a lot easier for the people to come together, but most of the time its just too late. Thats the main reason I post this material on these forums and many other places that I can, without them being deleted 75% of the time.

Also, does anyone remember the Fed Reserve "bombing"? This is from one of the many links I have seen, but holy shit there is a lot of "holes" in this story also.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/10/19/more-te...

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Wow wrote:
<quoted text> the road ends here, you believe that propaganda is based on lies (for the most part) but refuse to believe there's any truth in conspiracy theories which are derived from these same non factual propaganda ploys. Do you see the contradiction?
I never said propaganda is based on lies; in fact, quite the contrary. Propaganda is always based on the truth - it has to be.

Take for example: "Wine is good for you." Truthful statement? Absolutely. Is this statement always true? Absolutely not. So, if Ernest and Julio Gallio used this in an advertisement, would they be okay in doing so. Literally? Yes. Ethically? Most likely not.

I never said there's no truth in conspiracy theories. If there were no truths to them , how could people be so easily duped?

Take for example: "Airplane fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.". Truthful statement? Yes. So, if someone read that statement, they might believe 9/11 was a hoax, right? Right. But, that statement omits the fact that airplane fuel intermixed with other combustible items and gases can cause steel to warp and ultimately give way to physical forces resting upon it thereby offering a plausible explanation not guaranteed by the first statement.

So, as you can see, propaganda begins with the truth but something as miniscule as an omission is what makes it propaganda.

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superman wrote:
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I never said propaganda is based on lies; in fact, quite the contrary. Propaganda is always based on the truth - it has to be.
Take for example: "Wine is good for you." Truthful statement? Absolutely. Is this statement always true? Absolutely not. So, if Ernest and Julio Gallio used this in an advertisement, would they be okay in doing so. Literally? Yes. Ethically? Most likely not.
I never said there's no truth in conspiracy theories. If there were no truths to them , how could people be so easily duped?
Take for example: "Airplane fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.". Truthful statement? Yes. So, if someone read that statement, they might believe 9/11 was a hoax, right? Right. But, that statement omits the fact that airplane fuel intermixed with other combustible items and gases can cause steel to warp and ultimately give way to physical forces resting upon it thereby offering a plausible explanation not guaranteed by the first statement.
So, as you can see, propaganda begins with the truth but something as miniscule as an omission is what makes it propaganda.
Tsk Tsk, your following more of that "propaganda" again.

What combustible materials was there to "combust"?

The big "boom" and "fireball", well there goes your jet fuel idea, right out of the window, well unless you believe all buildings go "boom" when hit with planes?

But lets say you are correct about jet fuel being able to burn at such temperatures and the "combustibles" are present.

How does it melt all the way down to the base of the building?

If it was to do, in under 1 hour - would be the same idea that muslim hijackers kicked in 4 locked cockpit doors? Just purely obscene.

WTC 7 is the only building that could fault your "Excuse" for it being a "terrorist" attack, but sadly it had no fuel or plane hit it.

Please remember that buildings have been on fire for more than 18 hours and never collapsed in general, much less in pure free fall motion.

For buildings to FALL in free motion, there could be NOTHING to support its structure, which means the building(s) was not really standing? NIST,FBI and all others under government payroll have tried SO many stories now and THEY do not even agree on the same story now.

The video I showed you and where you never replied to. IS the exact same video that shows lots and lots of experts explaining to you why, these government presumptions and stories are ALL lies. They prove there is no way, that any of their reports match up, to the least little bit.
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Nov 13, 2012
 
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Tsk Tsk, your following more of that "propaganda" again.
What combustible materials was there to "combust"?
The big "boom" and "fireball", well there goes your jet fuel idea, right out of the window, well unless you believe all buildings go "boom" when hit with planes?
But lets say you are correct about jet fuel being able to burn at such temperatures and the "combustibles" are present.
How does it melt all the way down to the base of the building?
If it was to do, in under 1 hour - would be the same idea that muslim hijackers kicked in 4 locked cockpit doors? Just purely obscene.
WTC 7 is the only building that could fault your "Excuse" for it being a "terrorist" attack, but sadly it had no fuel or plane hit it.
Please remember that buildings have been on fire for more than 18 hours and never collapsed in general, much less in pure free fall motion.
For buildings to FALL in free motion, there could be NOTHING to support its structure, which means the building(s) was not really standing? NIST,FBI and all others under government payroll have tried SO many stories now and THEY do not even agree on the same story now.
The video I showed you and where you never replied to. IS the exact same video that shows lots and lots of experts explaining to you why, these government presumptions and stories are ALL lies. They prove there is no way, that any of their reports match up, to the least little bit.
So if we break the 9/11 incident down to its most common denominator and go with your opinion, Bush is the mastermind of the greatest coup in US history and was able to successfully coordinate four events of such overwhelming magnitude that his plan was able to dupe the majority of Americans, its politicians from both parties, and many of the worlds' leaders into supporting war.

If we go with mine, a terrorist attack was committed against an over-confident US by an Arab group - one with time, patience, money, and skill - that no one can deny hates the US and its symbols of capitalism.

At some point common sense must prevail.

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Nov 13, 2012
 
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So if we break the 9/11 incident down to its most common denominator and go with your opinion, Bush is the mastermind of the greatest coup in US history and was able to successfully coordinate four events of such overwhelming magnitude that his plan was able to dupe the majority of Americans, its politicians from both parties, and many of the worlds' leaders into supporting war.
If we go with mine, a terrorist attack was committed against an over-confident US by an Arab group - one with time, patience, money, and skill - that no one can deny hates the US and its symbols of capitalism.
At some point common sense must prevail.
Where did I not show common sense? Did I stop showing "common" sense, when I started talking about things you didnt know about?
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Where did I not show common sense? Did I stop showing "common" sense, when I started talking about things you didnt know about?
You ceased showing common sense the day you bought into, and used as your basis of validity, a YouTube video produced by a computer geek, community college dropout still living in the basement of his parent's house. You ceased showing common sense when you were duped into believing that one of the most intellectually deficient president's of our time was able to plan, organize, and execute the greatest plan in our nation's history. Do I need to go on?

And I'm not real clear on what it is that you have presented to me that I didn't already know about. I can assure you I am very knowledgeable in the 9/11 incident and that knowledge didn't come from a YouTube video; it was the result of conversations with and instruction/training by first responders and federal investigators involved with 9/11. And to my knowledge, not a single one of them will ever appear in a YouTube video. I guess in your world that's a bad thing, isn't it?

What's next, sir unknown, you going to tell me that, behind that Dr. Seuss book Bush was struggling reading from on 9/11, there was a remote control used to fly one of the planes?

Let common sense prevail or convince me Bush is a genius. The two can't coexist, can they?

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superman wrote:
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You ceased showing common sense the day you bought into, and used as your basis of validity, a YouTube video produced by a computer geek, community college dropout still living in the basement of his parent's house. You ceased showing common sense when you were duped into believing that one of the most intellectually deficient president's of our time was able to plan, organize, and execute the greatest plan in our nation's history. Do I need to go on?
And I'm not real clear on what it is that you have presented to me that I didn't already know about. I can assure you I am very knowledgeable in the 9/11 incident and that knowledge didn't come from a YouTube video; it was the result of conversations with and instruction/training by first responders and federal investigators involved with 9/11. And to my knowledge, not a single one of them will ever appear in a YouTube video. I guess in your world that's a bad thing, isn't it?
What's next, sir unknown, you going to tell me that, behind that Dr. Seuss book Bush was struggling reading from on 9/11, there was a remote control used to fly one of the planes?
Let common sense prevail or convince me Bush is a genius. The two can't coexist, can they?
Well first of all your generally assuming I lose validity on your personal guidelines, not cause I ever told a "lie" Which I have not done so yet.

Your assumption of Bush, how do you know he was or was not a genius. He may of been way more clever than he actually let on through the public. Not ONE time did I ever say Bush was the mastermind, you just simply assume these things and love to say I say them.

You literally say shit, that I have never said, to maybe make yourself feel better or too discredit my statements or questions as "fake"? Personally I think there is more too Bush than meets the eye or what he projects for the people to see, but his obvious appearance through media, is that he is not the swiftest by any means.

Are you mad about the "experts speak out" video or many of the other videos or links I have put out also? That video HAS first responding firemen and "Agents" who was there on the day also. Id suggest looking into them, if you DO doubt there position, since you have not personally talked to them.

I see you will ignore 30 questions to comment on one plausible statement to make it "easy" for you, which is precious.

Also your assumption of me in general is pretty annoying, but aye who am I to try to understand how your brain works, its obvious to me though, that no matter what the subject in regards of any topic doubting an "official" story of the government, that you will always choose the governments side.

In regards of what you have not commented on though..

1. The passengers of the jets, there is way too many to be shown as non existent, than anyone ever acknowledges.

2. The pentagon and its impossible jet attack.

3. The people who owned the 2 main towers and why their had been construction in the 2 main towers for lengthy amounts of time.

4. Why you deny experts who can prove their credentials in my links, but obviously your experts are the only ones who are right?

5. The calls from the "victims" on the day of, in the air.

6. The lies told about there being no prior knowledge of the incoming attacks.

7. How the buildings can free fall from any form of impact, that had happened on that day, without applying a controlled demolition.

8. Why did we attack Iraq after 9/11?

9. Why was Osama Bin Laden never charged with the events of 9/11, even though he was named to be the main target.

10. How was the media already stating in the morning of 9/11, that the event was an obvious terror attack, without ever providing any evidence to the contrary.

11. The REAL officials and people as "witnesses" who talk of explosions and other left out material, that are now "dead".

I mean you know, "dumb" questions like that. You have never stated your opinion or facts.
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Nov 14, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Well first of all your generally assuming I lose validity on your personal guidelines, not cause I ever told a "lie" Which I have not done so yet.

Your assumption of Bush, how do you know he was or was not a genius. He may of been way more clever than he actually let on through the public. Not ONE time did I ever say Bush was the mastermind, you just simply assume these things and love to say I say them.

You literally say shit, that I have never said, to maybe make yourself feel better or too discredit my statements or questions as "fake"? Personally I think there is more too Bush than meets the eye or what he projects for the people to see, but his obvious appearance through media, is that he is not the swiftest by any means.

Are you mad about the "experts speak out" video or many of the other videos or links I have put out also? That video HAS first responding firemen and "Agents" who was there on the day also. Id suggest looking into them, if you DO doubt there position, since you have not personally talked to them.

I see you will ignore 30 questions to comment on one plausible statement to make it "easy" for you, which is precious.

Also your assumption of me in general is pretty annoying, but aye who am I to try to understand how your brain works, its obvious to me though, that no matter what the subject in regards of any topic doubting an "official" story of the government, that you will always choose the governments side.

In regards of what you have not commented on though..

1. The passengers of the jets, there is way too many to be shown as non existent, than anyone ever acknowledges.

2. The pentagon and its impossible jet attack.

3. The people who owned the 2 main towers and why their had been construction in the 2 main towers for lengthy amounts of time.

4. Why you deny experts who can prove their credentials in my links, but obviously your experts are the only ones who are right?

5. The calls from the "victims" on the day of, in the air.

6. The lies told about there being no prior knowledge of the incoming attacks.

7. How the buildings can free fall from any form of impact, that had happened on that day, without applying a controlled demolition.

8. Why did we attack Iraq after 9/11?

9. Why was Osama Bin Laden never charged with the events of 9/11, even though he was named to be the main target.

10. How was the media already stating in the morning of 9/11, that the event was an obvious terror attack, without ever providing any evidence to the contrary.

11. The REAL officials and people as "witnesses" who talk of explosions and other left out material, that are now "dead".

I mean you know, "dumb" questions like that. You have never stated your opinion or facts.
If you haven't seen this yet, I think you'll enjoy watching it. The message is pretty damn powerful..
Check out this video on YouTube:<br/><br/> http://youtu.be/Zqi6paX3ong
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<quoted text>I never said propaganda is based on lies; in fact, quite the contrary. Propaganda is always based on the truth - it has to be.

Take for example: "Wine is good for you." Truthful statement? Absolutely. Is this statement always true? Absolutely not. So, if Ernest and Julio Gallio used this in an advertisement, would they be okay in doing so. Literally? Yes. Ethically? Most likely not.

I never said there's no truth in conspiracy theories. If there were no truths to them , how could people be so easily duped?

Take for example: "Airplane fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.". Truthful statement? Yes. So, if someone read that statement, they might believe 9/11 was a hoax, right? Right. But, that statement omits the fact that airplane fuel intermixed with other combustible items and gases can cause steel to warp and ultimately give way to physical forces resting upon it thereby offering a plausible explanation not guaranteed by the first statement.

So, as you can see, propaganda begins with the truth but something as miniscule as an omission is what makes it propaganda.
Have you heard of the Bilderberg's?
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<quoted text>I never said propaganda is based on lies; in fact, quite the contrary. Propaganda is always based on the truth - it has to be.

Take for example: "Wine is good for you." Truthful statement? Absolutely. Is this statement always true? Absolutely not. So, if Ernest and Julio Gallio used this in an advertisement, would they be okay in doing so. Literally? Yes. Ethically? Most likely not.

I never said there's no truth in conspiracy theories. If there were no truths to them , how could people be so easily duped?

Take for example: "Airplane fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel.". Truthful statement? Yes. So, if someone read that statement, they might believe 9/11 was a hoax, right? Right. But, that statement omits the fact that airplane fuel intermixed with other combustible items and gases can cause steel to warp and ultimately give way to physical forces resting upon it thereby offering a plausible explanation not guaranteed by the first statement.

So, as you can see, propaganda begins with the truth but something as miniscule as an omission is what makes it propaganda.
And I hope you'll find time to check out the link I posted to Sir Unknown.
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Have you heard of the Bilderberg's?
I had not until your post and a Google search. Very interesting!
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Nov 15, 2012
 
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<quoted text>I had not until your post and a Google search. Very interesting!
There's an episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jessie Ventura devoted entirely to them. It's great food for thought. Now, after watching the episode I researched some parts such as the "Stone Henge" in Georgia. I learned it was erected to serve as guidelines for rebuilding the nation after a nuclear fall out (not a globalist symbol). What I'm trying to say is the show presents a lot of new motives to be considered as far as globalist agendas go. I don't believe in buying into Conspiracy theories head first and without personal research because if you do your only as credible as your ONE source. I see all the conspiracy theories as dissent, we the people of the United States need to practice more dissent to keep our government on their toes. After listening to Ron Paul's farewell speech yesterday a light bulb went off. We don't just have a government problem we have a moral problem and a lack of virtue in America right now. If the people would take it upon themselves to improve, the government would HAVE to follow suit as they would be replaced by morally competent people. A lot of laws would be unneeded if the people would do the right thing without having to be told to do so..
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Nov 15, 2012
 
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...If the people would take it upon themselves to improve, the government would HAVE to follow suit as they would be replaced by morally competent people. A lot of laws would be unneeded if the people would do the right thing without having to be told to do so..
Not trying to be a nay-sayer but I see one major obstacle with that idea. Just who exactly is to say what the right thing to do is? I mean who's to say his way, your way or my way is the best way?

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And I hope you'll find time to check out the link I posted to Sir Unknown.
Thanks man, I failed to see that one. Is his part two today? Thats one of the best speeches to ever happen inside that building for sure.
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<quoted text>Not trying to be a nay-sayer but I see one major obstacle with that idea. Just who exactly is to say what the right thing to do is? I mean who's to say his way, your way or my way is the best way?
Basic stuff, don't steal, don't kill anybody. Just in general doing the best you possibly can to be a positive part of society.
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Nov 15, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Thanks man, I failed to see that one. Is his part two today? Thats one of the best speeches to ever happen inside that building for sure.
I haven't seen a part 2.. There's one now from a speech he made in 2002 and everything he predicted has happened
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Nov 28, 2012
 
hey wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5EcRMpRfhQkXX&feature=col ike
That's a trip man, touches on a lot of the things Conspiracy Theory brought up..

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