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Has anyone ever considered the aurora shooting to be fake or extra hyped up, just for simple gun control?

In my opinion absolutely, I believe it was staged and that the "victims" that are portrayed on the news are fake or paid off. If you actually go back to the day of shooting reports, then the next day reports they change drastically. Well actually they have changed so many times and new witnesses appear and then some of the original state completely different views than what they originally stated.

The weapons that was "used" in original reporting and then after some time has passed, has changed significantly also. Let alone the WAY different stories of each "victim" who survived, all state something different.

The night of, all over the news and police scanners( yes there is recordings) blatantly state, that there was 2 shooters and all kinds of relative "sources" claiming 2 different shooters.

The FBI's direct involvement with this case and how quickly this event evaporated from the news and US media sources.

John Holmes in general and his photos being SO god damn different from what he "originally" looked like and the way people describe him. I mean for shits sake the media, can ONLY provide his past "friends" and teachers from ELEMENTARY school, as Im sure there is a good reason they never interviewed even middle school and up. I mean just look at the original photos of the guy and THEN look at the dude they post in pictures with the red crazed hair. I mean his ears and eyes do not match up nor the "finer" details.

John Holmes father or supposed father, is a leading financial "agent" and is up for a massive prosecution, dealing with billions of dollars fraud case, of course in direct line with government.

The judge of the case demanded that ALL cameras be banned from his trials and bunch of other bullshit. Timothy Mcveigh was brought out in the open and John Holmes is moved underground and never seen by any other person besides...."government officials".

Take Care - Yes of course I have many of links, but will wait for the curious to flow, for those who doubt. Or of course the abundant negativity and personal attacks, which usually seems to be the only response, whenever topics like this are not ignored in the first place.
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Imagine yourself attempting the perfect burglary. Then carefully analyze every aspect of that attempt and how you could pull it off with complete success. Now imagine all the possible pitfalls you might encounter in that attempt - fingerprints, shoe prints, sweating, dropping a hair, surveillance cameras, cell phone cameras, nosy neighbors, dogs barking, alarm system, a talkative co-conspirator, etc, etc, etc.

Now imagine pulling off a conspiracy of the magnitude of the Aurora shooting or the moon landing or the 9/11 disaster and doing it so that no one would ever be able to prove it. Ridiculous, isn't it?

I love how conspiracy theorists talk about the faking of the 9/11 disaster in one breath and then in another, talk about how stupid George Bush was during his presidency. Either he is the smartest man in the world, or the disaster is just what it is. Simple as that.

“Conspiracy theory is the ultimate refuge of the powerless. If you cannot change your own life, it must be that some greater force controls the world.”
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superman wrote:
Imagine yourself attempting the perfect burglary. Then carefully analyze every aspect of that attempt and how you could pull it off with complete success. Now imagine all the possible pitfalls you might encounter in that attempt - fingerprints, shoe prints, sweating, dropping a hair, surveillance cameras, cell phone cameras, nosy neighbors, dogs barking, alarm system, a talkative co-conspirator, etc, etc, etc.
Now imagine pulling off a conspiracy of the magnitude of the Aurora shooting or the moon landing or the 9/11 disaster and doing it so that no one would ever be able to prove it. Ridiculous, isn't it?
I love how conspiracy theorists talk about the faking of the 9/11 disaster in one breath and then in another, talk about how stupid George Bush was during his presidency. Either he is the smartest man in the world, or the disaster is just what it is. Simple as that.
“Conspiracy theory is the ultimate refuge of the powerless. If you cannot change your own life, it must be that some greater force controls the world.”
&#8213; Roger Cohen
I suggest you look into my 9/11 post and explain how the information I provided is wrong, besides having cute quotes and never answering the obvious.

Not once did you go into WHY it could be wrong, you spoke in pure theory and never once hit on WHY these things HAVE to be true or false. This is what bugs me about the majority of people who trust these false flags, they will say ALL day about how "conspiracy theories" are stupid and should just hush, but will never explain why, with regard to the actual report or details given.

Im hoping you could happily prove my research wrong, with actual research of your own, or explain WHY on anything, instead of the vague prancing around the subject.

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Its kind of sad in my opinion, when you can get better reports of what is going on through fuckin youtube, than the NEWS of America. Here is a little documentary that helps put some puzzle pieces together of the lies, I mean of course you do not watch it or refuse to believe any possibility of the government lying to you. Which they have one shit record of doing for many decades now, they have lied to the people since the beginning.

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OOOps left you the documentary, my bad.

www.youtube.com/watch...
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Let me suggest something simple that will debunk nearly every conspiracy theory you believe. Go sit in on a murder trial and watch the prosecution present its case. Then, sit back and watch as the defense presents its case. What you should notice is that for nearly every fact presented by the prosecution detrimental to the defendant, the defense will present an alternative "theory" as to what their client attests happened.

Taking the very same facts, a defense attorney's job is to skew those facts to make it appear to the jury that there is an equally plausible explanation for the piece of evidence that makes it appear not to be so detrimental to the defendant. So, in every major trial, for nearly every piece of evidence presented, you will have at least two equally plausible explanations to explain one piece of evidence.

No matter if it is eyewitness testimonies, confessions, video proof of the incident, or any other of several supposedly irrefutable pieces of evidence, I have seen them successfully refuted by a defense attorney so as to make a jury believe their lack of importance.

It's no different with conspiracy theories. You take someone with the time to review the facts, develop an alternative theory, and then present them in a way to an impressionable person with already misguided views and WHA-LA!, you have yourself a conspiracy theory.

I would love to review your little video on YouTube (that should say enough in itself), but I don't have an hour and a half to waste to tell me what I already know - nobody or no group would be able to pull off a conspiracy such as you allege when you involve hundreds of public safety and law enforcement personel from a multitude of different agencies - local, state, and federal - and then expect everyone of them to be compliant with that conspiracy. Hell, I've been involved with minor investigations involving just two agencies and neither one or both could wait to tell the press their side of the story.

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but what you and your kind suggest with your theories, in an age of instant information, is beyond laughable. If you had any concept of how such investigations work and how difficult it is to inhibit the release of information stemming from those investigations, you would be laughing at yourself.

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Im going to take that as a no? In regard to actually listening to the "other" possibility that your "pride" of choosing is way more important. If you would actually use your time to investigate a matter and see what ALL the fuss is about, you would have at least gave it, its fair chance.

But lets say you DID give it your fair chance, why is the information I have provided (which is actual information) not theories, is wrong or misguided.

Now by all means, if this is how you must comfort yourself against matter as such, then by all means. I prefer to actually listen to every aspect of a story before I automatically cancel any, that go against my ego and pride.

Well I mean you can sit there all day and call me wrong, but I was actually hoping for evidence to the contrary, and would gladly accept ANY PROOF, you have against my theories, besides just telling stories, that for opinions only with no facts.

What I have simply stated in the Breaking 9/11 post, is PURELY facts, with opinions about the facts, yes it is that simple.

But I imagine your simply just going to tell little stories (yes little) and give me scenarios, that has nothing to do with the actual events, like most blank people do. Thats fine but all your doing is making yourself feel better, for the reason which I have no idea, or you just love to be against anything that mom,dad,brother,sister,governm ent,barber, or any other possibility of misguided information, well unless they actually know the TRUTH.

Take Care and hopefully you will actually speak on WHY I am wrong not from scenarios, but from actual "truths" that you believe are right or wrong.
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What the hell do ego and pride have to do with this forum? Are we in some kind of competition that you forgot to tell me about? Are we pretending to be in fourth grade and the one who gets to pull little Susie's hair first is the winner? Damn man, if you want, I'll go on YouTube and find an equally convincing video in dispute of yours and we'll play your little game all night long with the first one to run out of whack-job videos being the loser.
I gave you a well-articulated response depicting how facts can be distorted to support nearly any claim. I gave you a location where you could view that very act being performed right before your eyes. But all you care about is me going to YouTube and viewing a video that I have probably already seen and hypocritically accusing me of not giving your argument a fair chance. Did you give my suggestion a fair chance? Why hell no! I guess the next thing you'll be wanting me to do is go to Wikipedia for more support of your claim.

When you're ready to act like an adult and debate this accordingly, let me know.

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superman wrote:
What the hell do ego and pride have to do with this forum? Are we in some kind of competition that you forgot to tell me about? Are we pretending to be in fourth grade and the one who gets to pull little Susie's hair first is the winner? Damn man, if you want, I'll go on YouTube and find an equally convincing video in dispute of yours and we'll play your little game all night long with the first one to run out of whack-job videos being the loser.
I gave you a well-articulated response depicting how facts can be distorted to support nearly any claim. I gave you a location where you could view that very act being performed right before your eyes. But all you care about is me going to YouTube and viewing a video that I have probably already seen and hypocritically accusing me of not giving your argument a fair chance. Did you give my suggestion a fair chance? Why hell no! I guess the next thing you'll be wanting me to do is go to Wikipedia for more support of your claim.
When you're ready to act like an adult and debate this accordingly, let me know.
Pride = can sometimes be a good thing. Your case not so much, it means you will refuse any fact, simply cause you say it can be altered.

How did you give my validity a fair chance?

How about you go on youtube and provide one of "equal" quality.

How did you learn about 9/11, did you just wake up that morning and all of a sudden you had a funny feeling? Well I seen on TV what had happened, well at least what story I was given. You had to hear the information from SOMEWHERE correct? Well guess what, I learned something to, sadly they did not have the bullshit about 9/11 published at the same time of the event, I know strange huh, so it must be wrong.

How did you hear about the Aurora shooting, spoke with a friend and they told you about the shooting? Lets say you saw it on tv, like most did or computer. Hence you learned the event from a source, so which your stating that only on your television set has the real truth and you will be damned if someone else has ANY other possibility of truth, simply cause it was NOT the original story?

IF your way of "truth" was universal, I believe we would still be living in a cave and trying to make the wheel?

Either way, I will just happily admit with all of your "evidence" that gee gollie whiz, you provided to me that ALL the fake victims of lets say Flight 93 and 11 was real people, That 3 skyscrapers free fell magically from fires, that a jumbo fuckin jet really did do a literal impossible move to hit pentagon, that aurora could not be fake cause the news said so, that he really was in front,back,side,outside and inside of the theater at the same time according to "witnesses", and all the other fun stuff. Cause YOU spoke of those issues correct? Ill be damned, wait a minute you did not and Im going to take just a guess here, you still will not. You will just simply undermine everything I say and never reply back to all im asking to be proven "wrong".

Go one paragraph up PLEASE, and PLEASE look at the things I say in sarcasm that YOU proved WRONG, by simply saying conspiracy theories cannot be true and that ANYTHING can be altered, except for what YOU seen with YOUR eyes or HEARD with YOUR ears.

Take Care, and IM very sure I will get no reply to those certain topics, cause you will just simply rant about how blah + blah = my FACTS being wrong.
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I guess I have no other choice but to stoop to your level:

http://www.southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.ht...

Consider the facts presented on this website as being consistent with my own beliefs.

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superman wrote:
I guess I have no other choice but to stoop to your level:
http://www.southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.ht...
Consider the facts presented on this website as being consistent with my own beliefs.
I suggest you look a your ONE link and then go to the bottom of it, and see why popular mechanics, even disregarded this article and never spoke of it again. It was proven wrong in several of my link, not by hypothesis as your link simply claims, but by literal proof, not guess work.

But I imagine once again that you will not and just say that ALL of mine are wrong also, when mine is literal people you can match their work history up to. Some are even government who exposes the lies of the coverup bullshit stories, that have changed many of times.
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Superman,You are fighting a lost cause here - As I totally agree with you some people just can't think out of the box (I am refering to sir unknown) and regardless of all the truths and facts they will try to tear them apart to make their self look smarter than the rest of us. I have noticed not only is sir unknown a now it all and loves to post stuff to cause havoc on the Topix forum but he is very foul mouth as he just loves dropping the F word all the time.
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Michael wrote:
Superman,You are fighting a lost cause here - As I totally agree with you some people just can't think out of the box (I am refering to sir unknown) and regardless of all the truths and facts they will try to tear them apart to make their self look smarter than the rest of us. I have noticed not only is sir unknown a now it all and loves to post stuff to cause havoc on the Topix forum but he is very foul mouth as he just loves dropping the F word all the time.
You have to simply ignore the crazies on this forum. There are plenty of them. I wouldn't be surprised to find "Sir Unknown" arrested for shooting up a post office in the near future.
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Carl wrote:
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You have to simply ignore the crazies on this forum. There are plenty of them. I wouldn't be surprised to find "Sir Unknown" arrested for shooting up a post office in the near future.
But if he did it would probably be "faked" or "hyped up". Hahahaha!!!!
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sir unknown wrote:
Has anyone ever considered the aurora shooting to be fake or extra hyped up, just for simple gun control?

In my opinion absolutely, I believe it was staged and that the "victims" that are portrayed on the news are fake or paid off. If you actually go back to the day of shooting reports, then the next day reports they change drastically. Well actually they have changed so many times and new witnesses appear and then some of the original state completely different views than what they originally stated.

The weapons that was "used" in original reporting and then after some time has passed, has changed significantly also. Let alone the WAY different stories of each "victim" who survived, all state something different.

The night of, all over the news and police scanners( yes there is recordings) blatantly state, that there was 2 shooters and all kinds of relative "sources" claiming 2 different shooters.

The FBI's direct involvement with this case and how quickly this event evaporated from the news and US media sources.

John Holmes in general and his photos being SO god damn different from what he "originally" looked like and the way people describe him. I mean for shits sake the media, can ONLY provide his past "friends" and teachers from ELEMENTARY school, as Im sure there is a good reason they never interviewed even middle school and up. I mean just look at the original photos of the guy and THEN look at the dude they post in pictures with the red crazed hair. I mean his ears and eyes do not match up nor the "finer" details.

John Holmes father or supposed father, is a leading financial "agent" and is up for a massive prosecution, dealing with billions of dollars fraud case, of course in direct line with government.

The judge of the case demanded that ALL cameras be banned from his trials and bunch of other bullshit. Timothy Mcveigh was brought out in the open and John Holmes is moved underground and never seen by any other person besides...."government officials".

Take Care - Yes of course I have many of links, but will wait for the curious to flow, for those who doubt. Or of course the abundant negativity and personal attacks, which usually seems to be the only response, whenever topics like this are not ignored in the first place.
Funny how these things happen in election years isn't it?

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Wow wrote:
<quoted text> Funny how these things happen in election years isn't it?
Nah man there is no way, that has anything to do with anything, everything is what it seems, as told by the media.

Conspiracy theorists are idiots who possibly cannot think at all on their own, this is based that they refuse to follow orders and be someones bitch.

Please ignore the fact that we lied to you about every single war of the history of our time.

Please forget we have cures for cancers and AIDS/HIV.

Please forget that global warming is really not man made and continue thinking your carbon taxes are fair and just.

Please forget that Charlie Sheen went "crazy" one week after questioning the reports from NIST/FBI/Government

Please forget the 700+ FEMA camps across the nation and the millions of FEMA caskets.

Please forget martial law bill passed on new years eve 2012 and is being used this very second in several cities.

Please forget Wikileaks information on US coverups, for it must be true that these men using free speech are the real "terrorist".

Please forget every war has been started with a false flag operation.

Please forget getting immunization shots actually hurt you more than catching the same disease it protects from.

Please forget department of homeland security is storing all your information, along with NSA and other unnamed groups across the nation.

Please forget that we have no idea about local fusion centers or their true meaning.

Please do attack every persons character and life, if they speak against us.

Please do help our cause by allowing us to add more homeland security measures.

Please do embrace the federal reserve and its principles, its only there to protect you and balance your money.

Please do trust every official of the FBI,CIA,NSA,TSA,DHS,DEA, and all the other agencies. Even though some of them are actually not even part of our country.

Please do ignore all possible rumors of our US currency being worth absolute nothing, cause we have this special checkbook where we can write any amount of numbers everyday and no country,corporation,business, or person will ever ask for us to fix our mistake of bounced checks.

Please do trust the Rothchilds and their 500 trillion dollar family worth, for that is not of your concern and does not impact your lives at all.

Please do ignore any expert who is not part of us or our friends, as we are right no matter what they say or prove. We can change common sense,laws (newtons,human,physical,bank,f ederal,private, and/or any other silly law)

Please do protect the media and its sources, for even if you do not know the origins, just know we pay them, so that means you must trust them.

Please do keep all of your funds tied up in stock markets or in banks, cause we promise when or if the US currency is ever really revealed, it will hurt the worlds private banks and we do not want that do we?

Please do keep interested in politics and who becomes the next president and to keep focusing, on only what they tell you to be focused on.

Please do accept that there are millions starving to death around the world but we cannot help them. For we are tied up in important worries of Iran and war on terror and losing important resources that are not even ours.

Please do stick to only negative feedback and attack any person who does not trust US congress or any of what they call "shady dealings", for it is simply not anyone's business in the first place, even though you are the ones providing our paychecks.

This message brought to you by all your loving and caring:

Private Banks/Private Equity Firms/US Congress-Senate/Agencies/UN/NA TO/unnamed parties

PLEASE do take care and trust your government, we love you. Do not forget all the important things we have done for you as a person.
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<quoted text>Nah man there is no way, that has anything to do with anything, everything is what it seems, as told by the media.

Conspiracy theorists are idiots who possibly cannot think at all on their own, this is based that they refuse to follow orders and be someones bitch.

Please ignore the fact that we lied to you about every single war of the history of our time.

Please forget we have cures for cancers and AIDS/HIV.

Please forget that global warming is really not man made and continue thinking your carbon taxes are fair and just.

Please forget that Charlie Sheen went "crazy" one week after questioning the reports from NIST/FBI/Government

Please forget the 700+ FEMA camps across the nation and the millions of FEMA caskets.

Please forget martial law bill passed on new years eve 2012 and is being used this very second in several cities.

Please forget Wikileaks information on US coverups, for it must be true that these men using free speech are the real "terrorist".

Please forget every war has been started with a false flag operation.

Please forget getting immunization shots actually hurt you more than catching the same disease it protects from.

Please forget department of homeland security is storing all your information, along with NSA and other unnamed groups across the nation.

Please forget that we have no idea about local fusion centers or their true meaning.

Please do attack every persons character and life, if they speak against us.

Please do help our cause by allowing us to add more homeland security measures.

Please do embrace the federal reserve and its principles, its only there to protect you and balance your money.

Please do trust every official of the FBI,CIA,NSA,TSA,DHS,DEA, and all the other agencies. Even though some of them are actually not even part of our country.

Please do ignore all possible rumors of our US currency being worth absolute nothing, cause we have this special checkbook where we can write any amount of numbers everyday and no country,corporation,business, or person will ever ask for us to fix our mistake of bounced checks.

Please do trust the Rothchilds and their 500 trillion dollar family worth, for that is not of your concern and does not impact your lives at all.

Please do ignore any expert who is not part of us or our friends, as we are right no matter what they say or prove. We can change common sense,laws (newtons,human,physical,bank,f ederal,private, and/or any other silly law)

Please do protect the media and its sources, for even if you do not know the origins, just know we pay them, so that means you must trust them.

Please do keep all of your funds tied up in stock markets or in banks, cause we promise when or if the US currency is ever really revealed, it will hurt the worlds private banks and we do not want that do we?

Please do keep interested in politics and who becomes the next president and to keep focusing, on only what they tell you to be focused on.

Please do accept that there are millions starving to death around the world but we cannot help them. For we are tied up in important worries of Iran and war on terror and losing important resources that are not even ours.

Please do stick to only negative feedback and attack any person who does not trust US congress or any of what they call "shady dealings", for it is simply not anyone's business in the first place, even though you are the ones providing our paychecks.

This message brought to you by all your loving and caring:

Private Banks/Private Equity Firms/US Congress-Senate/Agencies/UN/NA TO/unnamed parties

PLEASE do take care and trust your government, we love you. Do not forget all the important things we have done for you as a person.
Isn't it sad that YouTube has become a more credible news source then television?
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Has anyone ever considered the aurora shooting to be fake or extra hyped up, just for simple gun control?
In my opinion absolutely, I believe it was staged and that the "victims" that are portrayed on the news are fake or paid off. If you actually go back to the day of shooting reports, then the next day reports they change drastically. Well actually they have changed so many times and new witnesses appear and then some of the original state completely different views than what they originally stated.
The weapons that was "used" in original reporting and then after some time has passed, has changed significantly also. Let alone the WAY different stories of each "victim" who survived, all state something different.
The night of, all over the news and police scanners( yes there is recordings) blatantly state, that there was 2 shooters and all kinds of relative "sources" claiming 2 different shooters.
The FBI's direct involvement with this case and how quickly this event evaporated from the news and US media sources.
John Holmes in general and his photos being SO god damn different from what he "originally" looked like and the way people describe him. I mean for shits sake the media, can ONLY provide his past "friends" and teachers from ELEMENTARY school, as Im sure there is a good reason they never interviewed even middle school and up. I mean just look at the original photos of the guy and THEN look at the dude they post in pictures with the red crazed hair. I mean his ears and eyes do not match up nor the "finer" details.
John Holmes father or supposed father, is a leading financial "agent" and is up for a massive prosecution, dealing with billions of dollars fraud case, of course in direct line with government.
The judge of the case demanded that ALL cameras be banned from his trials and bunch of other bullshit. Timothy Mcveigh was brought out in the open and John Holmes is moved underground and never seen by any other person besides...."government officials".
Take Care - Yes of course I have many of links, but will wait for the curious to flow, for those who doubt. Or of course the abundant negativity and personal attacks, which usually seems to be the only response, whenever topics like this are not ignored in the first place.
Please continue to provide links. If others don't want to watch, they don't have to. The biggest fool is one who thinks they can completely trust the government.

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Wow wrote:
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Isn't it sad that YouTube has become a more credible news source then television?
I was sadly mistaken, I should have just picked up the kingsport times and gotten the REAL news, cause god knows they research their news and never put any bias on it. Well actually the majority is just stolen words from larger towns and reworded for copyright purposes. Well of course the "local" news, which is fuckin groundbreaking. Ummm guy bangs goat, another meth lab, woman fears for life from robbers, synthetics are still being sold, high school and athletes from all ages.

Never really took the time to read johnson city's paper, it might be worth a damn but I dunno, the new york times is biased so I figured why not. Sadly the closest thing to news in the united states is infowars. Or semi trusthworthy russia today, which isnt from the US, they just happen to format in english and have english broadcast.

Id suggest many who do not know, to LOOK outside of the US for your news, you would be very shocked to learn that the US media speaks purely on bullshit and lies about "real" problems or leaves out more than half of the material, due to politics.

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Here is one link..

www.youtube.com/watch...

Former CIA director, exposes lots bullshit of libya on CNN and makes fun of reporter at the end of it.

Fun Info Side Fact - The CIA is too never spy on its own people aka as US, united states and even better, the CIA is not even part of the united states. Along with many other agencies and will happily show more of the agencies that are not.

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