Has suboxone ruined my life forever?

Has suboxone ruined my life forever?

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Tammy J

United States

#1 Jan 15, 2014
I went on suboxone 2/3 yrs ago due to abusing pain medication perscription, that I have/had a need to be on them. My Dr. explained that I would be an excellent patient for short term use. I recently told him that the medication prescribed(sub) does not touch the pain i'm having. I qas then tild that I could me receive help for any pain including cronic.. Does anyone know of a MD that will help me off the suboxone rather than judge me and talk ti me of any other options. Thanks :-)
The Faxx

Kingsport, TN

#2 Jan 16, 2014
Tammy J wrote:
I went on suboxone 2/3 yrs ago due to abusing pain medication perscription, that I have/had a need to be on them. My Dr. explained that I would be an excellent patient for short term use. I recently told him that the medication prescribed(sub) does not touch the pain i'm having. I qas then tild that I could me receive help for any pain including cronic.. Does anyone know of a MD that will help me off the suboxone rather than judge me and talk ti me of any other options. Thanks :-)
Your best bet is to cave under and go to one of the "pain clinics", pay them a great sum of money monthly to meet your need. I'm not being a smart ass, just telling it like it is. Some people actually need real pain relief meds (and I bet you are one of those people) instead of sub. It is a shame that buzz heads have made it so hard for people who really need meds to get them. It is a money making racket, for sure. I sure hope you have insurance.
Tammy J

United States

#3 Jan 16, 2014
The Faxx wrote:
<quoted text>Your best bet is to cave under and go to one of the "pain clinics", pay them a great sum of money monthly to meet your need. I'm not being a smart ass, just telling it like it is. Some people actually need real pain relief meds (and I bet you are one of those people) instead of sub. It is a shame that buzz heads have made it so hard for people who really need meds to get them. It is a money making racket, for sure. I sure hope you have insurance.
Thank you The Faxx. I am one of the choosen that they, the writer of suboxone, tells that being the suboxone works better than any other medication. It may very well be true for some. I know that I sound like a wuss but I am scared to talk with another MD or pain clinic, for the fear of judgement. Please believe when I say that this is the life that I dont want. All I want is something to ease the pain both mental and physical and No it doesnt have to be a narcotic. Our local mental health will not take you as a patient if you are prescribed Suboxone. If any of you know off a place that will atleast talk to me an not make me feel as though I am the scum of all earth, please let me know. Thank you and God Bless.
seen it before

Greenville, SC

#4 Jan 16, 2014
Tammy J wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you The Faxx. I am one of the choosen that they, the writer of suboxone, tells that being the suboxone works better than any other medication. It may very well be true for some. I know that I sound like a wuss but I am scared to talk with another MD or pain clinic, for the fear of judgement. Please believe when I say that this is the life that I dont want. All I want is something to ease the pain both mental and physical and No it doesnt have to be a narcotic. Our local mental health will not take you as a patient if you are prescribed Suboxone. If any of you know off a place that will atleast talk to me an not make me feel as though I am the scum of all earth, please let me know. Thank you and God Bless.
sounds like you need Dr Perry.He will give u amything u just gotta be the entertainment at his parties u give him and carmen whitehead a lil luvin theyll give u anything you want.
NoOne

Powell, TN

#5 Jan 16, 2014
Suboxone is a drug probably more worse than many pain medications.Once you are on it, it's hard to get off. The only way I have seen it help anyone is it probably saves them money. Buying it with a script is cheaper than buying pain pills off the street. All drugs are evil, but there are people who actually need them and don't abuse them. Pain pill abuse can happen to anyone. It doesn't care who you are, how rich or poor you are.
TN Doc

Elizabethton, TN

#6 Jan 16, 2014
No physician is allowed to write a prescription for a narcotic in a dosage that will even remotely cause addiction. No doctor is going to risk their license even if it were possible to do this. No patient becomes addicted to a narcotic painkiller simply from a prescription written for them by their physician. People become addicted when they obtain multiple prescriptions from multiple doctors or purchase them off the street. Anyone doing this knowingly does this to obtain the pleasurable sensation they obtain from the drug. In a short amount of time doing this, they become addicted. I've heard the sob stories about back pain, arthritic pain, nerve pain, etc. They are all excuses an addict uses to justify how they became addicted. Going to one physician for pain and obtaining a prescription for a narcotic for that pain will not and does not induce addiction - period. There are enough checks and balances to keep this from happening. Again, the process is abused by seeking out more doctors willing to write more prescriptions. It is difficult to overcome this addiction. It is a physical addiction in that you simply cannot tolerate going "cold turkey." It is very dangerous to go "cold turkey." Withdrawal symptoms include violent spasms and tremors in joints that induce pain that cannot be tolerated without medical help. One must seek a certified rehabilitation center and plan on spending at least a week along with continued therapy. However, there are multitudes of success stories I would be more than happy to share. The first step is realizing where and why you went wrong. The next step is the initiative to do something about it.
TN Doc

Elizabethton, TN

#7 Jan 16, 2014
I neglected to answer the original question of the poster who started this particular thread. The answer is "no." Suboxone will not ruin your life forever as long as you don't let it. Suboxone is not a pain medication. It is used mostly to treat oxycontin addiction. However, it is dangerous. If you OD on suboxone, it will stop your breathing. If you abuse suboxone, you are endangering our life.

Sounds like you need proper rehabilitation. There are many clinics in the area who will help you if you indeed want help. All you have to do is Google "suboxone rehabilitation clinics in your area or simply look in the phonebook. Like I said, there are many success stories out there. However, they all had one thing in common. They all realized what choices they erred in and actually desired a better life without drug use. Again, I would be happy to share some success stories. One of them is my own brother. He has been drug free for over 10 years. The road to recovery was not an easy one, but it certainly was a productive one. He now has a family with two sons, a great job, and is financially successful. All of this was the result of his desire to be "drug free." Another success story is Bret Favre. I will let you research that success story.
The Faxx

Kingsport, TN

#8 Jan 17, 2014
TN Doc wrote:
No physician is allowed to write a prescription for a narcotic in a dosage that will even remotely cause addiction. No doctor is going to risk their license even if it were possible to do this. No patient becomes addicted to a narcotic painkiller simply from a prescription written for them by their physician. People become addicted when they obtain multiple prescriptions from multiple doctors or purchase them off the street. Anyone doing this knowingly does this to obtain the pleasurable sensation they obtain from the drug. In a short amount of time doing this, they become addicted. I've heard the sob stories about back pain, arthritic pain, nerve pain, etc. They are all excuses an addict uses to justify how they became addicted. Going to one physician for pain and obtaining a prescription for a narcotic for that pain will not and does not induce addiction - period. There are enough checks and balances to keep this from happening. Again, the process is abused by seeking out more doctors willing to write more prescriptions. It is difficult to overcome this addiction. It is a physical addiction in that you simply cannot tolerate going "cold turkey." It is very dangerous to go "cold turkey." Withdrawal symptoms include violent spasms and tremors in joints that induce pain that cannot be tolerated without medical help. One must seek a certified rehabilitation center and plan on spending at least a week along with continued therapy. However, there are multitudes of success stories I would be more than happy to share. The first step is realizing where and why you went wrong. The next step is the initiative to do something about it.
Forgive me, but I do doubt your credentials as a medical doctor. That being said, I agree with the most of your post. Would you consider a monthly prescription of 180 Lortab 10's as possibly addictive? I do have a friend with major spinal injuries who has been on that regimen for years. His doctor is no pill pusher, but realizes his need and does it all legally. As you said, many people get in the loop of getting pills from many sources and only make it worse. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you and respect your insight very much. I'm only saying, if you are not a medical doctor, don't try to mimic one. No offense intended, ok?
TN Doc

Elizabethton, TN

#9 Jan 20, 2014
The Faxx wrote:
<quoted text>Forgive me, but I do doubt your credentials as a medical doctor. That being said, I agree with the most of your post. Would you consider a monthly prescription of 180 Lortab 10's as possibly addictive? I do have a friend with major spinal injuries who has been on that regimen for years. His doctor is no pill pusher, but realizes his need and does it all legally. As you said, many people get in the loop of getting pills from many sources and only make it worse. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you and respect your insight very much. I'm only saying, if you are not a medical doctor, don't try to mimic one. No offense intended, ok?
My "UserName" is TN Doc. I am not a licensed physician ... yet. I am actually a resident in my fourth year of residency and I am specializing in critical care. In layman terms, that means I spend a lot of time in the emergency room. I have already been hired by a Family Practice Clinic in Macon, GA upon completion of my residency here.

Regarding your question, I can't really answer it because every person is different. It depends on your weight, your tolerance for the drug, your genealogy, and a few other factors. Without knowing this information, and in my opinion only, I do think a person can become addicted on this dosage and have seen people become addicted on lesser dosages. Lortab is a time released medication. Most people who take it as directed and as prescribed don't have addiction problems. However, it becomes a lot more powerful when it is chewed or bitten into smaller fragments thereby negating the time release component of this medication. Most people who abuse this medication do this very thing. The best way to tell if one is addicted or not is to simply quit taking it for a period of time. If your joints start aching and you start to experience tremors, then you are addicted.

I understand your skepticism and the very best advice I can give is to simply follow your prescription instructions and never deviate from them. For example, most who are addicted who do have a prescription will get a month's supply at one time. What addicts will do is take a month's worth in about 3 or 4 days and resort to the street or try to find other doctors to fill the need for the rest of the month. If they are employed, they will fake a sprained back or shoulder and get sent to a doctor by their employer. Most basic health clinics administering workman's comp claims will simply write another prescription. However, I have seen many more outrageous ways to obtain the medication. Some will actually take a hammer or other blunt object and simply crack or break one of their teeth. They will then go to the dentist and get a prescription that way. It is a rather sad state to watch.

I wish you well. Your life would be much improved without having to take any narcotic. I realize you may have pain, but there are alternatives to treating pain.
The Faxx

Kingsport, TN

#10 Jan 21, 2014
TN Doc wrote:
<quoted text>
My "UserName" is TN Doc. I am not a licensed physician ... yet. I am actually a resident in my fourth year of residency and I am specializing in critical care. In layman terms, that means I spend a lot of time in the emergency room. I have already been hired by a Family Practice Clinic in Macon, GA upon completion of my residency here.
Regarding your question, I can't really answer it because every person is different. It depends on your weight, your tolerance for the drug, your genealogy, and a few other factors. Without knowing this information, and in my opinion only, I do think a person can become addicted on this dosage and have seen people become addicted on lesser dosages. Lortab is a time released medication. Most people who take it as directed and as prescribed don't have addiction problems. However, it becomes a lot more powerful when it is chewed or bitten into smaller fragments thereby negating the time release component of this medication. Most people who abuse this medication do this very thing. The best way to tell if one is addicted or not is to simply quit taking it for a period of time. If your joints start aching and you start to experience tremors, then you are addicted.
I understand your skepticism and the very best advice I can give is to simply follow your prescription instructions and never deviate from them. For example, most who are addicted who do have a prescription will get a month's supply at one time. What addicts will do is take a month's worth in about 3 or 4 days and resort to the street or try to find other doctors to fill the need for the rest of the month. If they are employed, they will fake a sprained back or shoulder and get sent to a doctor by their employer. Most basic health clinics administering workman's comp claims will simply write another prescription. However, I have seen many more outrageous ways to obtain the medication. Some will actually take a hammer or other blunt object and simply crack or break one of their teeth. They will then go to the dentist and get a prescription that way. It is a rather sad state to watch.
I wish you well. Your life would be much improved without having to take any narcotic. I realize you may have pain, but there are alternatives to treating pain.
My hat is off to you, Doc. My pardons if I have offended you. Everything you say is true and I've seen it. So many people also make a living off it by getting a scrip, taking just enough to keep their level high enough to foil the sometimes required blood tests, and then sell the rest for a big profit (some times to buy other buzz drugs). Lo and behold, they get carried away and when they really need the pills, they have sold them all and then go jonesing for more. As for me, I'm no abuser of pills and wouldn't take them unless I needed them, and only then for a short period of time. Gladly I'm not in that situation. It would be just too easy to fall into the habit. But some people do actually need a high dose of the stuff and they have my sympathy.The ones who really need it sometimes get conned into Suboxone and the endless loop when they try to end the cycle. The big problem is the money being made off the meds, whether legally or not.
Go ahead

Johnson City, TN

#11 Jan 22, 2014
seen it before wrote:
<quoted text>sounds like you need Dr Perry.He will give u amything u just gotta be the entertainment at his parties u give him and carmen whitehead a lil luvin theyll give u anything you want.
This is an adult conversation. Go to your room you childish little tboy.
Go ahead

Johnson City, TN

#12 Jan 22, 2014
The Faxx wrote:
<quoted text>Forgive me, but I do doubt your credentials as a medical doctor. That being said, I agree with the most of your post. Would you consider a monthly prescription of 180 Lortab 10's as possibly addictive? I do have a friend with major spinal injuries who has been on that regimen for years. His doctor is no pill pusher, but realizes his need and does it all legally. As you said, many people get in the loop of getting pills from many sources and only make it worse. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you and respect your insight very much. I'm only saying, if you are not a medical doctor, don't try to mimic one. No offense intended, ok?
In my experience, 3 loar tab tens a day is a mild addiction. Wish that's where I started. Some people start at being on 180 Mg of OxyContin per day, for years......

3 lortabs a day? There's plenty of hope. Here's been my experience. I had insurance and also express scripts thru BCBS. The doc visit was $300 and she gave me 90 of the 8 MG s so as to take 3 per day. Hell fire , you know what I did with that 90? I took each one and cut them into 4 pieces and I take one of THISE a day. 90X 4 equals a year..... So help me, I haven't had the first withdrawal symptom whatsoever. But if I had banged away on the three per day, I be in worse shape then when I walked thru her door. They don't know. They go by a chart that is given to them by the pharmaceutical companies..... Guess who sells the shit? And guess who they're in with? RON (the biggest drug dealer in the state ) Ramsey.

They over prescribe. They've turned getting off pain pills into a $13 billion dollar industry..... Piss on them.. My script costed $75 ,..Los I beat my entire addiction, never missed a lick of work and never felt any withdrawal for a whopping $475.... I was spending that in a week...

Best wishes.... Tell them that you're on abpit 100 MSG of Oxus per day. They give you 90 pieces. You cut them up and taper off slowly over a year. Life back to normal.

Best wishes
The Faxx

Kingsport, TN

#13 Jan 22, 2014
Go ahead wrote:
<quoted text>
In my experience, 3 loar tab tens a day is a mild addiction. Wish that's where I started. Some people start at being on 180 Mg of OxyContin per day, for years......
3 lortabs a day? There's plenty of hope. Here's been my experience. I had insurance and also express scripts thru BCBS. The doc visit was $300 and she gave me 90 of the 8 MG s so as to take 3 per day. Hell fire , you know what I did with that 90? I took each one and cut them into 4 pieces and I take one of THISE a day. 90X 4 equals a year..... So help me, I haven't had the first withdrawal symptom whatsoever. But if I had banged away on the three per day, I be in worse shape then when I walked thru her door. They don't know. They go by a chart that is given to them by the pharmaceutical companies..... Guess who sells the shit? And guess who they're in with? RON (the biggest drug dealer in the state ) Ramsey.
They over prescribe. They've turned getting off pain pills into a $13 billion dollar industry..... Piss on them.. My script costed $75 ,..Los I beat my entire addiction, never missed a lick of work and never felt any withdrawal for a whopping $475.... I was spending that in a week...
Best wishes.... Tell them that you're on abpit 100 MSG of Oxus per day. They give you 90 pieces. You cut them up and taper off slowly over a year. Life back to normal.
Best wishes
So, what did you do with the overhead of supply? Sell them or flush them down the toilet? I'll bet you sold them at a profit. Am I wrong? Don't try to tell me you didn't use the system, if your story is true.
Go ahead

Johnson City, TN

#14 Jan 22, 2014
TN DOC WROTE

No physician is allowed to write a prescription for a narcotic in a dosage that will even remotely cause addiction. No doctor is going to risk their license even if it were possible to do this. No patient becomes addicted to a narcotic painkiller simply from a prescription written for them by their physician. People become addicted when they obtain multiple prescriptions from multiple doctors or purchase them off the street.

BIGTIME WRONG. I DOMT KNOW OF YOU THINK YOURE TRYING TO DEFEND DOCTORS OR THAT THATS WHAT YOUVE BEEN BUT I WOULD ESTIMATE THAT 3/4 of the addicts out there were initially addicted thru doctors. People, somehow. Get the idea that a doctor knows more than the average Joe. I'm sorry nothing could be further from the truth.

I don't say this to admonish you, but if you make into doctor you need to know. And Tennessee is the number one state in the nation. I beat it and I can, then anyone can but I'll tell you this too :

It wasn't from any help from doctors.(You don't know what you're doing and you rarely know what you're talking about, but you aren't hesitant to say things anyway) I never used illegal drugs. I never once had a painkiller in my pocket that wasn't perfectly legal for me to have. Unlike rush Limbaugh. Doctors write them, and like most people I though the doctor knew WRONG ANSWER

Then to get off of them with suboxone (bless her heart) she wrote me 12 times what I needed to make it through a month.

Neither doctor had the first clue, and I'm sorry , future doctor, you don't either.......... But it doesn't matter if an addict got them in no dark alley or from a doctor. What's the solution.. A doctor should stay to his or her field of study only .... Otherwise they actually know less than others.
Look at Dr Ben Carson. And Dr Phil.... These dip wads are experts on everything and people just eat it up.

Anyhow. Hell yes doctors get people addicted and hell yes they write suboxone for 12 times what's needed to come off.... I would highly suggest you don't say things that could get somebody killed. If you come across an addict send then to narcotics anonymous ..... They know everything about how to stay clean , it's easy.....4 years last month and it's easy
Go ahead

Johnson City, TN

#15 Jan 22, 2014
The Faxx wrote:
<quoted text>So, what did you do with the overhead of supply? Sell them or flush them down the toilet? I'll bet you sold them at a profit. Am I wrong? Don't try to tell me you didn't use the system, if your story is true.
I came on here to help another human being stay alive. I don't know nor care what you're accusing me of. I never sold anything. Nor did I flush anything. I have no need to sell anything. I wouldn't know who to sell something to.
You sound like another teabagger idiot who's mouth runs all by itself. For starters, my net worth is well over a million dollars. I didn't "USE THE SYSTEM" . I got on pain pills and I got off. And I've ben off for over four years.
You mean you're on here giving this woman priceless advice and you haven't even been addicted? Between you and this Future doctor,you're gonna get this poor woman killed.
Lady. It's this simple. Set an appointment with a suboxone doctor. They're everywhere. He or she will prescribe you 90 pieces of 8mg film, three times a day........ Just like the other doctor that over prescribed the pain pills, that dr will have handed you enough to last a year instead of a month. Make the 90 pieces stretch out over a year instead of a month and don't get advice from doctors nor non-addicts. Go to narcotics anonymous where people know what they're talking about.
Overhead supply? That's not even a realistic term....
not from around here 1997

Greeneville, TN

#16 Jan 22, 2014
From what I've read, if the physician hasn't helped you taper off or pretty near off at 24 weeks, about 6 months, you need a doctor who knows what he/she is doing. It is also expected that you are in counselling and self-help groups during this 6 months and beyond. This is not a pain medication. Like methadone is not a pain medicine. The manufacturer has so many repetitive safety warnings on it, that it makes me wonder if it should even be on the market. People seem to be as psychologically addicted to this as any other drug out there.
not from around here 1997

Greeneville, TN

#17 Jan 22, 2014
TN Doc wrote:
<quoted text>
My "UserName" is TN Doc. I am not a licensed physician ... yet. I am actually a resident in my fourth year of residency and I am specializing in critical care. In layman terms, that means I spend a lot of time in the emergency room. I have already been hired by a Family Practice Clinic in Macon, GA upon completion of my residency here.
Regarding your question, I can't really answer it because every person is different. It depends on your weight, your tolerance for the drug, your genealogy, and a few other factors. Without knowing this information, and in my opinion only, I do think a person can become addicted on this dosage and have seen people become addicted on lesser dosages. Lortab is a time released medication. Most people who take it as directed and as prescribed don't have addiction problems. However, it becomes a lot more powerful when it is chewed or bitten into smaller fragments thereby negating the time release component of this medication. Most people who abuse this medication do this very thing. The best way to tell if one is addicted or not is to simply quit taking it for a period of time. If your joints start aching and you start to experience tremors, then you are addicted.
I understand your skepticism and the very best advice I can give is to simply follow your prescription instructions and never deviate from them. For example, most who are addicted who do have a prescription will get a month's supply at one time. What addicts will do is take a month's worth in about 3 or 4 days and resort to the street or try to find other doctors to fill the need for the rest of the month. If they are employed, they will fake a sprained back or shoulder and get sent to a doctor by their employer. Most basic health clinics administering workman's comp claims will simply write another prescription. However, I have seen many more outrageous ways to obtain the medication. Some will actually take a hammer or other blunt object and simply crack or break one of their teeth. They will then go to the dentist and get a prescription that way. It is a rather sad state to watch.
I wish you well. Your life would be much improved without having to take any narcotic. I realize you may have pain, but there are alternatives to treating pain.
Why would you be in a 4th year residency for critical care and taking a job as a family practice physician in May? Residencies end June 30. To be a Family Practice Physician, 4 years of medical school is all you need.
not from around here 1997

Greeneville, TN

#18 Jan 22, 2014
To TN Doc: Lortabs are not a time-release medication. I pray someone gives you a handheld PDR before you write that first prescription.
Follower of Christ

Johnson City, TN

#19 Jan 25, 2014
not from around here 1997 wrote:
From what I've read, if the physician hasn't helped you taper off or pretty near off at 24 weeks, about 6 months, you need a doctor who knows what he/she is doing. It is also expected that you are in counselling and self-help groups during this 6 months and beyond. This is not a pain medication. Like methadone is not a pain medicine. The manufacturer has so many repetitive safety warnings on it, that it makes me wonder if it should even be on the market. People seem to be as psychologically addicted to this as any other drug out there.
True. Here's why. Most Drs aren't addicts. About 14% are. Well, not placing blame, just stating KNOWN, REAL LIFE FACT. Remember, it's a drug company that got the person on the pain pills and it's a drug company gonna get them off, right? MONEY

The suboxone doctors are making money but they are trying to help people. To get certified, they have to be specially trained on order to write suboxone scripts. Who trains them? You guessed it. The drug company.

You'll see the post above by the guy who said he made them last a year. THATS A FACT ! The doctor gets their training and they get a chart that basically It says "if the addict is taking this much , then prescribe this much". A chart.

Well, what did this girl say she was on? A few lortabs? Thank GOD. Mine started with a broken leg, 3 places. At one point, I was legally taking a quantity of three , strength of thirty MG Oxycotins per day. It's not a contest but in comparison to her lortabs, I was taking 5 times as much as she was.

I ran out twice over the course of about 15 months and it's a living hell. You can't expect someone to willingly go thru that. Anyhow, the doctor gave me 5 strips per day. By this time , I was dead serious about getting off and I talked to other addicts that had got clean and they gave me the real scoop.

I'm sorry. I don't mean to disparage the above future doctor, but he's wrong on almost every count. I just thought about it, I guess it was two years without a pain pill last month. I never even crave like some people say they do. I took the suboxone and tapered off.

My god the lawmakers are stupid. Tennessee is the number one addicted state. God as my witness, I could get 1/2 the people in the state off pain pills in nine months. And suboxone is cheap to make, but they charge out the butt. Like $7 per strip ... If I had taken all 5 per day that would have been a $35 per day habit and brother you called it....... If you get heavily into suboxone like taking 3,4 or 5 per day and the STOP....... Well, I'm sure I'd rather die and I'm serious.

THEY SHOULD MAKE SUBOXONE CHEAP AS HELL AND EASY TO GET BUT DONT OVER PRESCRIBE.......BY THE WAY. THERE IS NO HIGH.......IT HAS A CEILING SO NOBODYS HAVING A PARTY.......
TN Doc

Phoenix, AZ

#20 Jan 25, 2014
not from around here 1997 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would you be in a 4th year residency for critical care and taking a job as a family practice physician in May? Residencies end June 30. To be a Family Practice Physician, 4 years of medical school is all you need.
All medical physicians have to go through a residency program. There are no exceptions. Family medicine is a 3 year program. Add minor surgery as a specialty and that turns it into a four year program. My residency is completed in May. I take the board exams in June. Lortabs are time released medication. Don't know where or how you get your info, but I would find another source. You are simply incorrect.

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