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Divided

Jonesborough, TN

#121 Apr 12, 2011
Fretful wrote:
I can't imagine how some of you union busters can blame the union for old hateful teachers being in the system. The union is not in the business of retaining such teachers. The union is there to represent them if they are accused without merit, not to make excuses for them. It has been my experience that these lousy teachers are defended more by their fellows, not the union. A principal doesn't want to do his job, so he just ignores the complaints. The union is not all powerful. Let a teacher screw up enough, incourage the parents to make complaints, and see how long it takes for them to get canned in spite of representation.
It's easy to see that the Republicans are hand in hand with big business and their crusade to abolish Unions and workers rights.
In case you haven't noticed, most of the Union represented factories have closed and either moved off overseas or down into Mississippi, Georgia, or some other low wage scab state.
I remember when that used to be illegal, but Congress now encourages it. This action against the state employees is just an excuse for the same.
Crowe is just a bought and paid for retreaded politician. He thinks he knows which side his bread is buttered on, and so far it has been working for him. I say give him the boot.
I love your statement, "Let a teacher screw up enough...." What exactly is enough? Two times? Four times? A hundred times? See my point? I can name two teachers right now who were criminally charged within the past two years and they still are employed within the school system. Easy to get rid of, huh?

As for your reasoning behind the moving of companies out of the country or to "some low wage scab state"; you are completely wrong. Most companies fold or move because they can't afford to pay unionist workers and continue to make a profit.

Might be a good time to study the facts.
Fretful

Johnson City, TN

#122 Apr 12, 2011
Divided wrote:
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I love your statement, "Let a teacher screw up enough...." What exactly is enough? Two times? Four times? A hundred times? See my point? I can name two teachers right now who were criminally charged within the past two years and they still are employed within the school system. Easy to get rid of, huh?
As for your reasoning behind the moving of companies out of the country or to "some low wage scab state"; you are completely wrong. Most companies fold or move because they can't afford to pay unionist workers and continue to make a profit.
Might be a good time to study the facts.
Divided, I don't know what kind of fantasy world you have been living in, but I am quite sure you are ignorant in the ways of the world. Now, I know you are probably going to throw that chestnut out about the "new world economy" and the changes it demands. Chump, you have no idea what that means. Corporate greed is the engine behind union busting and companies moving to take advantage of both cheap labor AND the ability to thwart employee rights. This extends to state government. But, back to the school system and the bad teachers.....have you made a complaint against either of these "criminal" teachers? Was their infractions related to their jobs? I didn't think so. The contract agreement between the school system and the union members does not give the union members exclusive rights to be slackers. If you have ever read or negotiated a contract, you will find management rights usually exceed the power of the union to retain members who have violated the agreement. THE AGREEMENT, not your OPINION of whether they suck at their job or not. Don't blame the union for doing its job.......representing the members fairly against dispare and illegal treatment. Fools like you are the ones who have no idea what a union stands for. Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of the Fraternal Order of Police, who represent the Johnson City policemen and women? I didn't think so. Get YOUR facts straight.
Divided

Jonesborough, TN

#123 Apr 13, 2011
Fretful wrote:
<quoted text>Divided, I don't know what kind of fantasy world you have been living in, but I am quite sure you are ignorant in the ways of the world. Now, I know you are probably going to throw that chestnut out about the "new world economy" and the changes it demands. Chump, you have no idea what that means. Corporate greed is the engine behind union busting and companies moving to take advantage of both cheap labor AND the ability to thwart employee rights. This extends to state government. But, back to the school system and the bad teachers.....have you made a complaint against either of these "criminal" teachers? Was their infractions related to their jobs? I didn't think so. The contract agreement between the school system and the union members does not give the union members exclusive rights to be slackers. If you have ever read or negotiated a contract, you will find management rights usually exceed the power of the union to retain members who have violated the agreement. THE AGREEMENT, not your OPINION of whether they suck at their job or not. Don't blame the union for doing its job.......representing the members fairly against dispare and illegal treatment. Fools like you are the ones who have no idea what a union stands for. Oh, and by the way, have you ever heard of the Fraternal Order of Police, who represent the Johnson City policemen and women? I didn't think so. Get YOUR facts straight.
The fantasy world I live in is called reality, fretful. I lost a job because the demands of the union were so insidious that the company packed up and headed out of town. Plain and simple. I don't speak out of my ass about something I know nothing about, unlike you. Oh, in case you were wondering, one of the demands was for FIVE weeks paid vacation for everyine who worked at the company for LESS than five years. Absolutely ridiculous! Most of the workers didn't even want half of the demands because they knew of the fragility of the company and what the resultant would be. Now, thanks to the UNIONS, I'm out most days submitting my CV.

As for making a complaint against the teachers who were criminally CHARGED (read: arrested, placed in jail, forced to make bond, represented at a trial) why should ANYONE have to make a complaint? I saw it plain as day in the JC Press. If I knew they were teachers, do you not think their administrators knew it, too? And what does it matter if their charges were related to their duties? Do we want teachers with criminal records teaching our children? I guess if the union says it's okay.

And WTH does the Fraternal Order of Police or the Johnson City Police Department have to do with any of this conversation? You just grab stuff out of midair, don't you?
Fretful

Johnson City, TN

#124 Apr 13, 2011
Divided wrote:
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The fantasy world I live in is called reality, fretful. I lost a job because the demands of the union were so insidious that the company packed up and headed out of town. Plain and simple. I don't speak out of my ass about something I know nothing about, unlike you. Oh, in case you were wondering, one of the demands was for FIVE weeks paid vacation for everyine who worked at the company for LESS than five years. Absolutely ridiculous! Most of the workers didn't even want half of the demands because they knew of the fragility of the company and what the resultant would be. Now, thanks to the UNIONS, I'm out most days submitting my CV.
As for making a complaint against the teachers who were criminally CHARGED (read: arrested, placed in jail, forced to make bond, represented at a trial) why should ANYONE have to make a complaint? I saw it plain as day in the JC Press. If I knew they were teachers, do you not think their administrators knew it, too? And what does it matter if their charges were related to their duties? Do we want teachers with criminal records teaching our children? I guess if the union says it's okay.
And WTH does the Fraternal Order of Police or the Johnson City Police Department have to do with any of this conversation? You just grab stuff out of midair, don't you?
I can see you are in desperation, bending the facts.....5 wks./ < than 5 yrs. Who are you trying to bullshit? I too lost a Union job, not because of unrealistic demands by the union, but because the company gained more excessive profit by closing down and moving off, thwarting employee rights, like cowards. Like I said, that was in the not too distant past illegal, but with the hand in hand gvt./corporate chiselers, it has been encouraged by the Republican ruled nation.
It is clear you know nothing of negotiations. Evidently you fell for the company's "poor old us going broke" routine. You can't tell me it is anything less than greed. For the record, I have gained employment in a Union job with secure benefits and good pay.

As for these alleged criminal charges, can you be more specific? I see you did not do your civic duty and register any complaints, if any of this is even half true. By the way, do you think the company you used to work for was ruled by saints?

As for the FOP, they are more or less the equivalent of the union, representing our police officers with both legal assistance and grievances presented to the city government.
I reckon you may just get lucky and find a minimum wage scab job with no benefits. You seem the type of gullible employee they prefer.
vietnamvet

Sevierville, TN

#125 May 16, 2011
Crowe sold teahers unions down the river
Green Goat

United States

#126 May 16, 2011
vietnamvet wrote:
Crowe sold teahers unions down the river
More like screwed them over....just saying.....
Spanish teacher

Madison, TN

#127 Aug 19, 2011
Republican wrote:
Teachers need to suck it up! They don't deserve what they get.
Are you serious?! Read all the previous posts. My son rarely gets time with me for all the planning, paperwork, grading, etc. I probably work about 60+ hrs/wk. Trainings and planning took most the summer too. I do this to be a positive role model for middle school students in our state. We don't get breaks once the school day starts like most on their jobs receive. Lunch (even duty free) really works out to less than 20 min. Planning period they want to take away is for copies, collaborating, calling parents, paperwork, etc. I get there at 7, leave at 5:45 to pick up my child and then work hours after at home. I even plan over holidays. Do you take your work home with you? If the community continues this attitude toward teachers we will lose the good ones to higher paying jobs where we don't have to take our work home with us and our families and friends get more quality time with us! children will suffer!
Spanish teacher

Madison, TN

#128 Aug 19, 2011
GRANDPARENT wrote:
It's easy to point your finger and blame others for your own problems. We are happy to help with our grandkids' education and understand that it is OUR responsibility! The curriculum is much more challenging now. The teacher explained how our state has moved up to second in the nation in difficulty to help our kids be more prepared. Schools have problems! They are OUR problems! Rather than sitting on our behinds and whining about the teachers and schools let's volunteer and commit to helping any way we can: time to work with students one-on-one, send in needed school supplies, join the Parent Teacher Organization, etc. Your 3 Rs are Ridiculous, Rant, and Rave! Support schools! Don't tear them down!
Thank you!
Spanish teacher

Madison, TN

#129 Aug 19, 2011
I believe much of the problem is the childrens home lives are. They come to school hungry, angry, lonely, tired. That spells HALT! We as teachers can only do so much and the ones of us who care could be forced out bc our children suffer as we serve yours. We need your support, not your bashing. I'm not complaining, just want you all to see a picture of one teachers experience in addition to the others on here due to the following quote:
Republican wrote:
Teachers need to suck it up! They don't deserve what they get.
Are you serious?! Read all the previous posts. My son rarely gets time with me for all the planning, paperwork, grading, etc. I probably work about 60+ hrs/wk. Trainings and planning took most the summer too. I do this to be a positive role model for middle school students in our state. We don't get breaks once the school day starts like most on their jobs receive. Lunch (even duty free) really works out to less than 20 min. Planning period they want to take away is for copies, collaborating, calling parents, paperwork, etc. I get there at 7, leave at 5:45 to pick up my child and then work hours after at home. I even plan over holidays. Do you take your work home with you? If the community continues this attitude toward teachers wee will lose the good ones to higher paying jobs where we don't have to take our work home with us and our families and friends get more quality time with us! children will suffer!
Spanish teacher

Madison, TN

#130 Aug 19, 2011
Also, sorry for the grammar errors, sent from my phone as I lay with my feet up bc they are throbbing from just one wk of teaching!
Middle School Teacher

Johnson City, TN

#131 Aug 19, 2011
I love the changes. The union never spoke for me. They only wanted me to help them keep from getting busted by the legislators. They have held education back. They protect the terrible teachers as much as the good ones.

The new tougher standards for teachers will help education. Teachers are working much harder to document and make sure that they are meeting everything the new evaluations ask. There are some problems, but hopefully those will be ironed out. I am excited with all the changes! I am having to do more than I have before but I feel that everything I am doing has a reason behind it. No, legislators don't understand education but they will get better test scores.
lowsdown

Kingsport, TN

#132 Dec 3, 2012
Ex Union Man wrote:
But why do you pay someone to keep your job for you? Tennessee is a right to work state. If a person is doing his job; he should not need another person representing him . The Union is the cause of a lot of companies going out of business. Look at what happened to NARC and Bemberg in Elizabethton. and the Snap on tools in JC. Just 3 of the many.
When the unions first started it was a fine thing, then the mobsters took over and ruined everthing for the working man.
Are you high or just stupid? Can't you put 2 and 2 together and see that unions threaten companies by taking away their dictatorial power? Back in the day, the acts of companies shutting down union plants was illegal, but thanks to idiots like you, companies do as they please and blame unions on everything from mobsters to global warming. Yeah, go ahead and eat all the shit the company tells you to and be a good little sheep and lick the boots of those who will kick you!
Seriously

Chatsworth, GA

#133 Dec 4, 2012
lowsdown wrote:
<quoted text>Are you high or just stupid? Can't you put 2 and 2 together and see that unions threaten companies by taking away their dictatorial power? Back in the day, the acts of companies shutting down union plants was illegal, but thanks to idiots like you, companies do as they please and blame unions on everything from mobsters to global warming. Yeah, go ahead and eat all the shit the company tells you to and be a good little sheep and lick the boots of those who will kick you!
The same applies to teachers and union members unhappy with their wages and/or work conditions. Quit! Try competing in the real world like the other half and see how easy it is to work without guaranteed employment. Bunch of whiners. Wait tables, dig a ditch or two, pick vegetables in the sun, work a straight commission position. Try one of those great jobs at Food City, Krogers or Starbucks.

If teachers want to effect change protest the outrageous pay for principals and political hires. As for the unions. If a Company is dictatorial then don't work for that Company. They'll be forced to hire idiots and go bankrupt. The best thing I can say about the entitlement attitude you possess is that at least you're willing to work for your pay. Many of your ilk just expect the government/taxpayers to send a monthly check and provide free health care.

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