MSHA Layoffs... Again?
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#21 Apr 26, 2014
Wilson Voit wrote:
<quoted text>You are an employer, not a worker. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, just that the current state of the economy puts us in different corners. I surely hope and believe that you are not as heartless as MSHA. Since you are running a company and haven't been bankrupted is evident of that! As an employer, I'm sure you would resist corporate control of your company. I think that is the major problem with companies nowadays, the relinquishing of moral and fair practices and calling the shots in business because the corporations have taken over the private sector and demanded less than decent impositions. Look at MSHA, they have tried their best to monopolize health care in the area, and have, but now are being more greedy and heartless, over reaching their limitations and now leading the loyal workers to sacrifice. Gone are the days of an owner of a business calling the shots and not being over run by corporate control. I'm sure you don't run your business that way. Would you surrender your control of your company to corporate mandate? I'll bet you wouldn't..
Original post amended due to space limitations

OK Wilson, first, I apologize for the harsh words. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders with simply a grudge against corporations. I am probably a lot older than you. I have worked for several corporations, some of them major corporations. I now own my own business which is also a corporation. I simply own all the shares. I can't speak for all corporations, but I can relay my experience with them. Every individual within a corporation is rated on what they contribute to the corporation. Department heads, V-P's, managers, etc. are judged on how their departments perform. Their departments can only perform by having good employees. When corporations lay off people, they try to lay off the ones that will have minimum impact on the productivity with their absence. Othewise, what's the point? If you cut off your head to save your face, you're still dead. I will say most good corporations and corpoarte managers realize this. These same corporate managers also have feelings as well. Nobody likes to lay off anyone. I personally would rather look for every other place I can cut expenses other than reducing the workforce. However, sometimes, even good corporations have to reduce expenses via payroll to survive and provide jobs for who are left. I can assure you the ones who have the least impact are the ones who get laid off first. Otherwise, a corporation can't operate.

I was trying to give some good advice to anyone working in an environment that is condusive to lay-offs like the hospital industry. A nurse with a tremendous amount of experience who can take care of many more patients than one with minimal experience or a bad work ethic. In this situation, the less senior nurse will be the one laid off. If you do get laid off, the ones who demonstrate ambition, drive, motivation and carry a professional aura about them will get hired somewhere. There is a shortage of these types of individuals in the marketplace today. Become one of these individuals, you will never have to worry about a job. I turn no one away who demonstrates these qualities. They are too rare to turn away.

Just my two cents and some advice sincerely given. Also, MHSA operates sort of like a monolopoly in the area because our area cannot justify having more than one or two medical facilities. There simply isn't enough business to have any more. We do have Franklin Woods and the VA. With these three, there aren't enough patients for another hospital to come in and be successful. Our city needs to grow before this happens.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#22 Apr 28, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
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Original post amended due to space limitations
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Now I'm confused! You are a corporation, but own all the stocks? Was that through a buy back of stocks, and wouldn't that make you a non public traded company instead of a corporation or LLC? Either way I would not consider you one of the big bad heartless corporations. Evidently you are doing well and so are your employees. Knowing them all by name sure helps, doesn't it? I applaud your theory of the chain of command in a corporation, but you must admit that it seldom goes that way. In huge corporations, high ladder underlings and subordinates learn how to make themselves look good on paper (usually at the expense of the lower status workers). More or less, when a corporation has hundreds of employees the ability to honestly determine an honest good worker is not noticed. Sure, a hard worker might become a straw boss, but generally that's about as far as it goes.
I'm not so sure there isn't room for another hospital in the area. It is hard to tell since MSHA owns them all and most of the clinics too. That is a hindrance to any hospital trying to establish itself in the shadow of the giant. They are indeed a monopoly and they have obviously bitten off more than they can chew financially. Either greed, mismanagement, or both have gotten them in the situation they are in, but I'll guarantee the shareholders and big dogs are still dragging in the bucks off it all.
As for you being older than me be, maybe not..........one doesn't get this jaded in just a few decades!
Doggsmith

Kingsport, TN

#23 Apr 30, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Original post amended due to space limitations
OK Wilson, first, I apologize for the harsh words. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders with simply a grudge against corporations. I am probably a lot older than you. I have worked for several corporations, some of them major corporations. I now own my own business which is also a corporation. I simply own all the shares. I can't speak for all corporations, but I can relay my experience with them. Every individual within a corporation is rated on what they contribute to the corporation. Department heads, V-P's, managers, etc. are judged on how their departments perform. Their departments can only perform by having good employees. When corporations lay off people, they try to lay off the ones that will have minimum impact on the productivity with their absence. Othewise, what's the point? If you cut off your head to save your face, you're still dead. I will say most good corporations and corpoarte managers realize this. These same corporate managers also have feelings as well. Nobody likes to lay off anyone. I personally would rather look for every other place I can cut expenses other than reducing the workforce. However, sometimes, even good corporations have to reduce expenses via payroll to survive and provide jobs for who are left. I can assure you the ones who have the least impact are the ones who get laid off first. Otherwise, a corporation can't operate.
I was trying to give some good advice to anyone working in an environment that is condusive to lay-offs like the hospital industry. A nurse with a tremendous amount of experience who can take care of many more patients than one with minimal experience or a bad work ethic. In this situation, the less senior nurse will be the one laid off. If you do get laid off, the ones who demonstrate ambition, drive, motivation and carry a professional aura about them will get hired somewhere. There is a shortage of these types of individuals in the marketplace today. Become one of these individuals, you will never have to worry about a job. I turn no one away who demonstrates these qualities. They are too rare to turn away.
Just my two cents and some advice sincerely given. Also, MHSA operates sort of like a monolopoly in the area because our area cannot justify having more than one or two medical facilities. There simply isn't enough business to have any more. We do have Franklin Woods and the VA. With these three, there aren't enough patients for another hospital to come in and be successful. Our city needs to grow before this happens.
It sounds to me JC Fan that you are making up the story as you go along. A corporate owner with no shareholders? That would be a liquidation! Next thing you know you will be defending company script! Your pep talks are falling on the ears of people who know better than buy into the work your ass off routine you cling to in order to keep a job. I am very skeptical of your wild tales.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#24 May 3, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
<quoted text>It sounds to me JC Fan that you are making up the story as you go along. A corporate owner with no shareholders? That would be a liquidation! Next thing you know you will be defending company script! Your pep talks are falling on the ears of people who know better than buy into the work your ass off routine you cling to in order to keep a job. I am very skeptical of your wild tales.
Dogg, of course you are correct with your observation! JC is as fake as jake and he has proven that. I couldn't help but give him enough support and rope to hang himself, and he sure did. What a bullsh**er! I wonder what the old boy really does (or did) for a living. JC (Pop), if you are listening, try harder next time and do a little research into the field of in-expertise you are trying to latch on to. All that being said, more or less to weed out the flim- flammers, back to MSHA and their dastardly tactics. MSHA has taken the reins of a monopoly while claiming to need all the help in the world to make ends meet as an excuse to rape and bastardize the workers. I predict that within 2 years, most unskilled workers there will be replaced by either temp agency workers or their duties will be farmed out to other low wage no benefit providers. The only hope is unionization. Back before MSHA took over, a job at the hospital was one of the best around. Those days are long gone, since MSHA is a gluttonous corporation with no heart and dedicated to making tons of money at the expense of the hourly workers. Workers, what do you have to lose? They have already taken your dignity, your livelihood and your hopes of a future and will soon put you out on the street. Unionize! I'm not addressing the highly skilled workers, but the majority of workers there. You are what makes the place function.
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#25 May 6, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
<quoted text>It sounds to me JC Fan that you are making up the story as you go along. A corporate owner with no shareholders? That would be a liquidation! Next thing you know you will be defending company script! Your pep talks are falling on the ears of people who know better than buy into the work your ass off routine you cling to in order to keep a job. I am very skeptical of your wild tales.
Good grief. Another misguided and mis-informed viewpoint from a radical liberal. You don't have to be a specific size to be a corporation. There are publically traded corporations and their are private ones. There are Subchapter "S" corporations and Subchapter "C" corporations. My company is a "C" corporation, is privately held and I own all the shares.

A corporation liquidates when its liabilities are more than its assets and has no means to correct this problem. In short, a corporation liquidates when it runs out of cash. It has nothing to do with who owns the shares. You might want to brush up on a business 101 text at some point before slinging opinions on what you don't know about.

Here is another version of the "pep" talk. MHSA still has employees. They can't operate without them. If you want to work there, make sure you are one of them by whatever means you can think of. I guarantee you there are others who are willing to do that who will take your place. MHSA is a corporation just like any other corporation. They can do what they want to benefit their shareholders. They are only different in that they do get some money from the government for patients with no means to pay. Otherwise, they might as well be IBM. Would you want someone telling you how to run your business if you had one? Of course not. This is no different.

If you haven't learned the "work your ass" off lesson yet, you eventually will.
Doggsmith

Kingsport, TN

#26 May 6, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief. Another misguided and mis-informed viewpoint from a radical liberal. You don't have to be a specific size to be a corporation. There are publically traded corporations and their are private ones. There are Subchapter "S" corporations and Subchapter "C" corporations. My company is a "C" corporation, is privately held and I own all the shares.
A corporation liquidates when its liabilities are more than its assets and has no means to correct this problem. In short, a corporation liquidates when it runs out of cash. It has nothing to do with who owns the shares. You might want to brush up on a business 101 text at some point before slinging opinions on what you don't know about.
Here is another version of the "pep" talk. MHSA still has employees. They can't operate without them. If you want to work there, make sure you are one of them by whatever means you can think of. I guarantee you there are others who are willing to do that who will take your place. MHSA is a corporation just like any other corporation. They can do what they want to benefit their shareholders. They are only different in that they do get some money from the government for patients with no means to pay. Otherwise, they might as well be IBM. Would you want someone telling you how to run your business if you had one? Of course not. This is no different.
If you haven't learned the "work your ass" off lesson yet, you eventually will.
Keep on digging. Subchapters refer to tax status, not an ability for an owner to own all shares. You are trying to jive our socks off. Roll the dice and move your little shoe around the Monopoly board and play fair.
Cat

Antioch, TN

#27 May 6, 2014
Wilson Voit, you know exactly what you are talking about. JC fan is the biggest joker & obviously doesn't have a clue! Being an exceptional employee gets you absolutely no where!! Does he have any clue how many excellent employees that have been totally disrespected, humiliated and/or put into a pool and basically forced to going into another position that they are not accustomed to, just to be able to work, or just let go after "29" years of employment!?!
Wilson Voit wrote:
<quoted text>Dogg, of course you are correct with your observation! JC is as fake as jake and he has proven that. I couldn't help but give him enough support and rope to hang himself, and he sure did. What a bullsh**er! I wonder what the old boy really does (or did) for a living. JC (Pop), if you are listening, try harder next time and do a little research into the field of in-expertise you are trying to latch on to. All that being said, more or less to weed out the flim- flammers, back to MSHA and their dastardly tactics. MSHA has taken the reins of a monopoly while claiming to need all the help in the world to make ends meet as an excuse to rape and bastardize the workers. I predict that within 2 years, most unskilled workers there will be replaced by either temp agency workers or their duties will be farmed out to other low wage no benefit providers. The only hope is unionization. Back before MSHA took over, a job at the hospital was one of the best around. Those days are long gone, since MSHA is a gluttonous corporation with no heart and dedicated to making tons of money at the expense of the hourly workers. Workers, what do you have to lose? They have already taken your dignity, your livelihood and your hopes of a future and will soon put you out on the street. Unionize! I'm not addressing the highly skilled workers, but the majority of workers there. You are what makes the place function.
JC Fan

Franklin, NC

#28 May 6, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
<quoted text>Keep on digging. Subchapters refer to tax status, not an ability for an owner to own all shares. You are trying to jive our socks off. Roll the dice and move your little shoe around the Monopoly board and play fair.
Good grief where do you come up with this? OK, show me or name me one law that states a corporation can't be owned by one individual. I started the company as a sole proprietor, filed for incorporation, and presto, a cooperation that is owned by one individual. Sub-Chapters also dictate how the corporation is governed. Learn about what you are talking about before talking.
JC Fan

Franklin, NC

#29 May 6, 2014
Cat wrote:
<quoted text>Wilson Voit, you know exactly what you are talking about. JC fan is the biggest joker & obviously doesn't have a clue! Being an exceptional employee gets you absolutely no where!! Does he have any clue how many excellent employees that have been totally disrespected, humiliated and/or put into a pool and basically forced to going into another position that they are not accustomed to, just to be able to work, or just let go after "29" years of employment!?!
Sounds like you have been fired. Sorry to hear. But I can see why. You'll learn one day.
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#30 May 6, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
<quoted text>Keep on digging. Subchapters refer to tax status, not an ability for an owner to own all shares. You are trying to jive our socks off. Roll the dice and move your little shoe around the Monopoly board and play fair.
Maybe you need some proof.

http://www.legalzoom.com/incorporation-faq/si...

And yes, I do have multiple directors and hold directors meetings.

You might want to read up on the advantages and disadvantages of a Sub-Chapter "S" corporation. It is not all about taxes. Here's a start -

http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/78034

Your post above couldn't be anymore incorrect. The key to higher wages, security in employment and higher wealth is via effort, ambition and initiative. There is no business that will keep you employed for your ability to breath.
Doggsmith

Kingsport, TN

#31 May 6, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you need some proof.
http://www.legalzoom.com/incorporation-faq/si...
And yes, I do have multiple directors and hold directors meetings.
You might want to read up on the advantages and disadvantages of a Sub-Chapter "S" corporation. It is not all about taxes. Here's a start -
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/78034
Your post above couldn't be anymore incorrect. The key to higher wages, security in employment and higher wealth is via effort, ambition and initiative. There is no business that will keep you employed for your ability to breath.
Why don't you just put it in a sack, cut your losses and save what little face you have left? Nobody wants to hear your b.s. and none are believing anything you say. Now you are flip flopping from being a "C" to an "S". Get your horsesh** together. Don't you realize the number one rule in corporate flim-flam? "Keep your lies consistent"! I declare your business to be an official Sub-Chapter "B.S." venture. You most definitely hold all the stock in that. People here have valid complaints against MSHA and you just want to pretend to be some wizened old business mogul. That's just pitiful. Employees and former employees with real problems need support, not a bunch of foolishness from you. I feel sorry for the employees there, and to a certain extent, I feel sorry for you.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#32 May 7, 2014
Cat wrote:
Wilson Voit, you know exactly what you are talking about. JC fan is the biggest joker & obviously doesn't have a clue! Being an exceptional employee gets you absolutely no where!! Does he have any clue how many excellent employees that have been totally disrespected, humiliated and/or put into a pool and basically forced to going into another position that they are not accustomed to, just to be able to work, or just let go after "29" years of employment!?!
<quoted text>
Amen, Cat! With corporations being given free reign by the government and actually urged to either ship the work overseas, farm it out to temps, or just plain old lay the shaft to workers, it is no wonder we are all being tormented with abuse. JC fan is a trip, to say the least and as most sane people, I put zero confidence in his delusional rant. Seriously, I think the only hope for the employees at MSHA is in organizing a union. Being an "exceptional employee" is like being the old workhorse who gets worked to death all week and then pulls the wagon for his master to church on Sunday. Then when he gets old and broken down, there's no being put out to pasture, just the glue factory for the final buck to be made off him.
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#33 May 7, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you just put it in a sack, cut your losses and save what little face you have left? Nobody wants to hear your b.s. and none are believing anything you say. Now you are flip flopping from being a "C" to an "S". Get your horsesh** together. Don't you realize the number one rule in corporate flim-flam? "Keep your lies consistent"! I declare your business to be an official Sub-Chapter "B.S." venture. You most definitely hold all the stock in that. People here have valid complaints against MSHA and you just want to pretend to be some wizened old business mogul. That's just pitiful. Employees and former employees with real problems need support, not a bunch of foolishness from you. I feel sorry for the employees there, and to a certain extent, I feel sorry for you.
I didn't flip flop. I gave you the definition of what a Sub-Chapter S Corp. is. I never said that was what my business is. I earlier stated it is a "C" Corp. You stated a Sub-Chapter S is done for tax purposes only. I gave you the definition so you could prove to yourself your inaccuracy.

Do you honestly believe that complaining about MHSA on here is going to do anything? If they have valid complaints, make them to MHSA or the Dept. of Labor. Otherwise, it is only whining. People with real problems don't need support. They need real solutions. Whining about them on here doesn't qualify as a real solution. One real solution is to get another job.
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#34 May 7, 2014
Wilson Voit wrote:
<quoted text>Amen, Cat! With corporations being given free reign by the government and actually urged to either ship the work overseas, farm it out to temps, or just plain old lay the shaft to workers, it is no wonder we are all being tormented with abuse. JC fan is a trip, to say the least and as most sane people, I put zero confidence in his delusional rant. Seriously, I think the only hope for the employees at MSHA is in organizing a union. Being an "exceptional employee" is like being the old workhorse who gets worked to death all week and then pulls the wagon for his master to church on Sunday. Then when he gets old and broken down, there's no being put out to pasture, just the glue factory for the final buck to be made off him.
You're what is what can considered to be a "trip." Free reign? Have you read the labor laws lately? Do you understand what unemployment, workman's comp, social security, medicare, etc. is? Your employer operates under strict guidelines from the Dept of Labor and pays your unemployment, half your social security, half your medicare and all of your workman's comp. Now your employer must pay for your healthcare or pay a fine. And all of this in addition to your wages. The American consumer is shifting jobs overseas, not corporations. If Americans would get off the cheaper is better mantra, guess what would happen?

Labor laws keep anyone from being worked to death. Labor laws limit the hours you can work without being highly compensated. Labor laws dictate how many breaks you take, how long your lunch is, gives you the opportunity to take leave and get your job back, etc.

If you are replaced by a lower paid worker, then you were being paid too much for what you do. Otherwise, your employer would not be able to replace you. If you sit around and do nothing for 20 years and get a raise each year, what does that do to the employees who actually earn their pay and do everything they possibly can to be an asset for their employer? They get the shaft with your philosophy.

Truth be told, you are unhappy with your employment situation, and like most people in this situation, you blame everyone else but yourself. Well, get used to your situation because it isn't going to change with your mindset.

In closing, I will tell you right now that MHSA will never be unionized. Also, employers use temps because they can't find enough employees, not to save money. You will never understand this, but go research how much a temp worker is versus just hiring a permanent employee. You will be surprised to find out which option is cheaper.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#35 May 7, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're what is what can considered to be a "trip." Free reign? Have you read the labor laws lately? Do you understand what unemployment, workman's comp, social security, medicare, etc. is? Your employer operates under strict guidelines from the Dept of Labor and pays your unemployment, half your social security, half your medicare and all of your workman's comp. Now your employer must pay for your healthcare or pay a fine. And all of this in addition to your wages. The American consumer is shifting jobs overseas, not corporations. If Americans would get off the cheaper is better mantra, guess what would happen?
Labor laws keep anyone from being worked to death. Labor laws limit the hours you can work without being highly compensated. Labor laws dictate how many breaks you take, how long your lunch is, gives you the opportunity to take leave and get your job back, etc.
If you are replaced by a lower paid worker, then you were being paid too much for what you do. Otherwise, your employer would not be able to replace you. If you sit around and do nothing for 20 years and get a raise each year, what does that do to the employees who actually earn their pay and do everything they possibly can to be an asset for their employer? They get the shaft with your philosophy.
Truth be told, you are unhappy with your employment situation, and like most people in this situation, you blame everyone else but yourself. Well, get used to your situation because it isn't going to change with your mindset.
In closing, I will tell you right now that MHSA will never be unionized. Also, employers use temps because they can't find enough employees, not to save money. You will never understand this, but go research how much a temp worker is versus just hiring a permanent employee. You will be surprised to find out which option is cheaper.
By popular demand, you are hereby censured! Don't take it too badly. On the bright side you have been also nominated as the CEO and sole stockholder of the Upper East Tn. Liar's Club.
Single lady

Antioch, TN

#36 May 15, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like you have been fired. Sorry to hear. But I can see why. You'll learn one day.
Wrong again, JC Fan!! I have never been fired from a job in my life!(and yes, i work) But I AM confident that are a complete idiot. Lol You come across as one of those individuals that no one can stomach to have a conversation with, simply because you are convinced you always know what you are talking about when in all actuality YOU DON'T! You really don't! People like you really irritate me with your ridiculous comments. YOU WILL NEVER LEARN!
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#37 May 15, 2014
Single lady wrote:
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Wrong again, JC Fan!! I have never been fired from a job in my life!(and yes, i work) But I AM confident that are a complete idiot. Lol You come across as one of those individuals that no one can stomach to have a conversation with, simply because you are convinced you always know what you are talking about when in all actuality YOU DON'T! You really don't! People like you really irritate me with your ridiculous comments. YOU WILL NEVER LEARN!
No Single Lady, you would be incorrect here. If I don't know what I am talking about, I don't talk about it. Regarding MHSA, I know exactly what I am talking about for several valid reasons that I won't deliberate here. For instance, MHSA currently has a multitude of open nurse positions. There are so many applicants for these positions, they have to do group interviews in order to be able to give every applicant sufficient consideration. If this was such a bad place to work, there wouldn't be this many applicants. The open nurse positions are a result of expansion, not contraction due to a profit motive.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I am entitled to a rebuttal if I feel it is incorrect. There is a reason you want to bash MHSA. The reasons you list on this thread are not the real reasons. I may not be an authority on everything, but I am pretty perceptive.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#38 May 15, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
No Single Lady, you would be incorrect here. If I don't know what I am talking about, I don't talk about it. Regarding MHSA, I know exactly what I am talking about for several valid reasons that I won't deliberate here. For instance, MHSA currently has a multitude of open nurse positions. There are so many applicants for these positions, they have to do group interviews in order to be able to give every applicant sufficient consideration. If this was such a bad place to work, there wouldn't be this many applicants. The open nurse positions are a result of expansion, not contraction due to a profit motive.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I am entitled to a rebuttal if I feel it is incorrect. There is a reason you want to bash MHSA. The reasons you list on this thread are not the real reasons. I may not be an authority on everything, but I am pretty (d)eceptive.
JC, I thought we had heard the last from you, but no..........you just can't take a hint. Nobody believes anything you type. I wish there were an additional icon for rating your posts. It would have to be "Liar".
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#39 May 16, 2014
Wilson Voit wrote:
<quoted text>JC, I thought we had heard the last from you, but no..........you just can't take a hint. Nobody believes anything you type. I wish there were an additional icon for rating your posts. It would have to be "Liar".
Well, here's the challenge of the day - tell me what I have lied about?
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#40 May 16, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
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Well, here's the challenge of the day - tell me what I have lied about?
Well, for starters, you can't decide whether you are Pop or JC. And your big porous story about being a self made corporate strongman is ridiculous. When did you retire from Klopman Mills?

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