MSHA Layoffs... Again?
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Say What

Elizabethton, TN

#1 Mar 31, 2014
Has anyone heard about MSHA laying off again? I've heard to expect layoff's around summer time.
Big Suprise

Knoxville, TN

#2 Mar 31, 2014
Have heard to expect an announcement this Friday. Also have heard several hospitals are being offered for sale without public knowledge and that they do not have money to build the new hospital in Unicoi.
curious

Johnson City, TN

#3 Mar 31, 2014
Have heard somehow MSHA isn't paying unemployment? Anyone know for sure?
Pop

Elizabethton, TN

#4 Mar 31, 2014
curious wrote:
Have heard somehow MSHA isn't paying unemployment? Anyone know for sure?
Whether an employee receives unemployment or not is not up to MHSA. The state determines this.
Shumm

Kingsport, TN

#5 Apr 1, 2014
Pop wrote:
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Whether an employee receives unemployment or not is not up to MHSA. The state determines this.
I'm not sure, but from what I hear, MSHA may be using a loophole, claiming employees to be on call, in a labor pool, or something that can circumvent unemployment regulation, since they have a not for profit status. Anybody got some insight into this travesty?
Dizzy

Elizabethton, TN

#6 Apr 1, 2014
MSHA calls it "attrition". It's a slick move to avoid hefty unemployment penalties.

They dissolve positions, offer employees "X" days of pay & benefits...during which the employee has an opportunity to find a new position within MSHA or elsewhere.
More often than not, the 'new' position at MSHA is usually salaried at a much lower rate of pay with an increase in responsibilities due to the initially dissolved positions being absorbed into another position.
e.g. MSHA regurgitates positions and has a pool of "attrition" employees to pick from.

When "X" time runs out and the employee hasn't found or been considered for another position either within MSHA or elsewhere, Unemployment Benefits are calculated or determined based upon a voluntary resignation because the employee accepted "X" number of days of compensation & benefits.

Attrition is not negotiable, you either accept the terms of attrition or quit - which excludes you from any unemployment benefits. Attrition is not a layoff and it hinders any hope of full unemployment benefits.
curious

Johnson City, TN

#7 Apr 1, 2014
MSHA should be ashamed to do anything to hinder former employees from having unemployment!
2 cents

Kingsport, TN

#8 Apr 5, 2014
I know they cut the hours of their social workers and it is rumored that lay offs are to follow next month
The Hitman

Johnson City, TN

#9 Apr 6, 2014
Should happen around end of June/July...end of the fiscal year. They are also planning on selling the old NorthSide Bldg. and the current Quillen Rehab facility to some company out of Kingsport....NOT WELLMONT. Dont believe me? Drive by and take a look at all the pretty new surveyors stakes.....
Doggsmith

Kingsport, TN

#10 Apr 8, 2014
I think it is high time the workers unionized. Don't give me that crap about unions or Obamacare being the cause of MSHA's or any other greedy health providers "woes". MSHA is a fine example of a company with free reign over employee rights, with support from the powers that be, plain and simple---------too much greed coupled with a blind eye a green light from the government. All said, the big dogs in charge are still making money hand over fist and are backed up by the government. This type of company fascism is rampant nowadays. Whether you like it or not, they need a union and the workers cannot rely on the governmental agencies as a recourse, since they are in cahoots with big business.
nursie

Kingsport, TN

#11 Apr 13, 2014
Looking forward to how the medical center is going to get over on their employees this week.
msha slave

Kingsport, TN

#12 Apr 24, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
I think it is high time the workers unionized. Don't give me that crap about unions or Obamacare being the cause of MSHA's or any other greedy health providers "woes". MSHA is a fine example of a company with free reign over employee rights, with support from the powers that be, plain and simple---------too much greed coupled with a blind eye a green light from the government. All said, the big dogs in charge are still making money hand over fist and are backed up by the government. This type of company fascism is rampant nowadays. Whether you like it or not, they need a union and the workers cannot rely on the governmental agencies as a recourse, since they are in cahoots with big business.
If anyone is heard mentioning a union they are fired. Forming an union in Tennessee is harder than you think.
Doggsmith

Kingsport, TN

#13 Apr 24, 2014
msha slave wrote:
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If anyone is heard mentioning a union they are fired. Forming an union in Tennessee is harder than you think.
Sounds to me like you surely are in slavery to them and I am in sympathy. Unionize! That is your only solution. Contact the Upper East Tn Labor Council, 121 1/2 Spring Street in JC. They will explain how you have more rights than you think you have as far as organizing a union. I know it is hard to put yourself in the firing line, but the situation isn't going to get any better unless someone makes a stand. If you are not comfortable with that, I understand.
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#14 Apr 25, 2014
Doggsmith wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds to me like you surely are in slavery to them and I am in sympathy. Unionize! That is your only solution. Contact the Upper East Tn Labor Council, 121 1/2 Spring Street in JC. They will explain how you have more rights than you think you have as far as organizing a union. I know it is hard to put yourself in the firing line, but the situation isn't going to get any better unless someone makes a stand. If you are not comfortable with that, I understand.
Or you can always ensure you are their best asset by working hard, showing some initiative, doing more than enough, etc. The best employees don't get laid off. Just a suggestion because the union idea will never happen.
msha slave

Kingsport, TN

#15 Apr 25, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
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Or you can always ensure you are their best asset by working hard, showing some initiative, doing more than enough, etc. The best employees don't get laid off. Just a suggestion because the union idea will never happen.
Ive worked enough jobs that have had layoffs to know that it doesnt matter how good of a worker you are if they can save money by getting rid of you then your gone. Just last year they laid off someone who had cancer and was out on leave, never missed a day before getting sick and awesome worker. She and many others were put into whats called a resource pool so it doesnt look like a layoff and they cant get unemployment Starting in June anyone who averages less than 30 hrs a week will be losing all benefits and insurance and all there pto will be cashed in.
Workhorse

Kingsport, TN

#16 Apr 25, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
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Or you can always ensure you are their best asset by working hard, showing some initiative, doing more than enough, etc. The best employees don't get laid off. Just a suggestion because the union idea will never happen.
That is a fine theory, if you can get used to brown nosing. None of those things will insure you won't get laid off. From what I have been hearing from a lot of present and former employees at MSHA it is open season to lay off or fire and it doesn't matter who you are or how hard you work. Anyone working there is just a number and yours may come up regardless.
JC Fan

Campobello, SC

#17 Apr 26, 2014
Workhorse wrote:
<quoted text>That is a fine theory, if you can get used to brown nosing. None of those things will insure you won't get laid off. From what I have been hearing from a lot of present and former employees at MSHA it is open season to lay off or fire and it doesn't matter who you are or how hard you work. Anyone working there is just a number and yours may come up regardless.
What you are hearing are opinions from one side. Business's can't afford to lay off everyone, so who do you think they keep? The bad ones?

These employees choose to work there. They can also choose to work somewhere else. Or they can ensure they are a valued asset that would be very hard to lay off. That is a better solution than simply complaining. That will accomplish nothing.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#18 Apr 26, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
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What you are hearing are opinions from one side. Business's can't afford to lay off everyone, so who do you think they keep? The bad ones?
These employees choose to work there. They can also choose to work somewhere else. Or they can ensure they are a valued asset that would be very hard to lay off. That is a better solution than simply complaining. That will accomplish nothing.
MSHA will lay off the higher seniority workers to avoid pension, retirement, vacation and other costs. Not that they won't lay off others, just that the longer term employees are more of a financial burden for a cut throat company. In time they will probably replace many of the laid off workers through temporary work agencies. I agree that complaining isn't going to help but neither is becoming a boot licker, snitch, or shameless floor mat. There is no such thing as a "valuable asset" when it comes to replacements being available with much cheaper wage and benefit options. The majority of workers under the gun are those with a less than skilled work responsibility. As for just up and finding another job, have you tried to find a good job in the last ten years? You need to wake up and have a spoon full of reality
JC Fan

Elizabethton, TN

#19 Apr 26, 2014
Wilson Voit wrote:
<quoted text>MSHA will lay off the higher seniority workers to avoid pension, retirement, vacation and other costs. Not that they won't lay off others, just that the longer term employees are more of a financial burden for a cut throat company. In time they will probably replace many of the laid off workers through temporary work agencies. I agree that complaining isn't going to help but neither is becoming a boot licker, snitch, or shameless floor mat. There is no such thing as a "valuable asset" when it comes to replacements being available with much cheaper wage and benefit options. The majority of workers under the gun are those with a less than skilled work responsibility. As for just up and finding another job, have you tried to find a good job in the last ten years? You need to wake up and have a spoon full of reality
In case you haven't realized it or simply don't know it, keeping a hospital afloat during these economic times is a monumental task. Try searching via Google for all the hospitals that have shut their doors in the past year. You would be very surprised. Also, you are obviously unaware of the fact that any business can't survive without good employees. Every business knows this. An employee's goal is to be one of those good employees the company can't live without. You apparently have not learned this lesson. Once you do, you won't have to worry about being laid off.

I take a huge spoonful of reality every day. I have been an employer for many years. For the past five years, I have consistently had open positions left unfilled due to lack of candidates. There are many opportunities out there for ones with ambition, initiative and motiviation. Apparently, you are not one of those people.
Wilson Voit

Kingsport, TN

#20 Apr 26, 2014
JC Fan wrote:
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In case you haven't realized it or simply don't know it, keeping a hospital afloat during these economic times is a monumental task. Try searching via Google for all the hospitals that have shut their doors in the past year. You would be very surprised. Also, you are obviously unaware of the fact that any business can't survive without good employees. Every business knows this. An employee's goal is to be one of those good employees the company can't live without. You apparently have not learned this lesson. Once you do, you won't have to worry about being laid off.
I take a huge spoonful of reality every day. I have been an employer for many years. For the past five years, I have consistently had open positions left unfilled due to lack of candidates. There are many opportunities out there for ones with ambition, initiative and motiviation. Apparently, you are not one of those people.
Well, there you go! You are an employer, not a worker. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, just that the current state of the economy puts us in different corners. I surely hope and believe that you are not as heartless as MSHA. Since you are running a company and haven't been bankrupted is evident of that! As an employer, I'm sure you would resist corporate control of your company. I think that is the major problem with companies nowadays, the relinquishing of moral and fair practices and calling the shots in business because the corporations have taken over the private sector and demanded less than decent impositions. Look at MSHA, they have tried their best to monopolize health care in the area, and have, but now are being more greedy and heartless, over reaching their limitations and now leading the loyal workers to sacrifice. Gone are the days of an owner of a business calling the shots and not being over run by corporate control. I'm sure you don't run your business that way. Would you surrender your control of your company to corporate mandate? I'll bet you wouldn't.
It is no wonder hospitals are folding, since they were originally formed as non profit agencies. But now government regulations, insurance companies, welfare fraud, etc. allow them the status of "not for profit", more or less a corporation not subject to the rules for private businesses. When shareholders dictate, then a company becomes ruthless.
It is next to impossible to be a good worker for a corporation and be rewarded for it. It is really hard to do a good or better job and be recognized for it in a corporate environment. In non corporate businesses, a worker just might be recognized for their worth instead of their ability to work the system. When corporations take over, the workers become just a number regardless of what kind of job performance they have. Private businesses such as yours are the last stronghold of the American dream, being recognized for your performance instead of credit grabbing supervision trying to make an impression.
I truly wish you success in your business and hope corporate control doesn't absorb you.
As you said, good employees are the backbone of any company and the corporations have not realized this. That along with good ownership, and direction is what sets successful private companies as the last stronghold of American values.

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