JC Psychologist John Thurman charged ...

JC Psychologist John Thurman charged with "Fraud or Deceit"

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TruthSayer

Dickson, TN

#2 Dec 21, 2010
So, you want to know specifically what he was reprimanded for. Totally valid question if the article was not very forthcoming.

Why not quit being lazy and use your head. Contact the Tennessee Department of Health and find out directly from them the actual facts instead of making some post on a public forum inviting a bunch of speculation and smack talking that will most likely wind up with more disinformation then anything else. Then you will know for sure the answer to your question.
By The Way

Chatsworth, GA

#3 Dec 21, 2010
Don't have to because the story says "A board order states Thurman engaged in "fraud
or deceit" and "gross malpractice." The particulars of his actions are not given.

To bad we in the public are not protected from a Psychologist who are is at best unethical at worst criminal.
Just sayin

Nicholasville, KY

#4 Dec 21, 2010
By The Way wrote:
Don't have to because the story says "A board order states Thurman engaged in "fraud
or deceit" and "gross malpractice." The particulars of his actions are not given.
To bad we in the public are not protected from a Psychologist who are is at best unethical at worst criminal.
I can think of a few more Drs. there that need to have their license suspended. "Gross Malpractice" is an understatement that describes them.
By The Way

Chatsworth, GA

#5 Dec 22, 2010
Just sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I can think of a few more Drs. there that need to have their license suspended. "Gross Malpractice" is an understatement that describes them.
Exactly what is "fraud sand deceit" when it comes to a PHD in Pscychology?
Lazy Huh

Chatsworth, GA

#6 Dec 25, 2010
TruthSayer wrote:
So, you want to know specifically what he was reprimanded for. Totally valid question if the article was not very forthcoming.
Why not quit being lazy and use your head. Contact the Tennessee Department of Health and find out directly from them the actual facts instead of making some post on a public forum inviting a bunch of speculation and smack talking that will most likely wind up with more disinformation then anything else. Then you will know for sure the answer to your question.
Your argument that I should contact TDOH is specious. The Johnson City Press is who you should direct your "lazy" remarks to. They chose/neglected to report the news. They use to say "what the people don't can hurt them." Here is a textbook example of the public not knowing because they failed to report.(Even though the Kingsport Times also owns the JC Press)
TruthSayer

Nashville, TN

#7 Dec 25, 2010
This is exactly what I was referring to, several replies and not one answers the original question of what specifically did he do wrong that constituted fraud or deceit and gross malpractice. Just some non helpful and inflamatory comments.

And to you Lazy Huh aka: By The way -
This post was not about the JC Press's poor news reporting skills it was about wanting specifics of an article in the KP Times. The JC Press isn't lazy, they just suck. The paper is barley worth using to line a bird cage or wrap fish.
Lazy Huh

Chatsworth, GA

#8 Dec 26, 2010
TruthSayer wrote:
This is exactly what I was referring to, several replies and not one answers the original question of what specifically did he do wrong that constituted fraud or deceit and gross malpractice. Just some non helpful and inflamatory comments.
And to you Lazy Huh aka: By The way -
This post was not about the JC Press's poor news reporting skills it was about wanting specifics of an article in the KP Times. The JC Press isn't lazy, they just suck. The paper is barley worth using to line a bird cage or wrap fish.
I reviewed the posts and frankly I frankly I find none of my remarks, or anyone elses, to be "inflamatory." If reporting facts as written by the Kingsport paper is offensive to you I suggest you examine your tolerence for the free and open discussion this forum provides.

For an organization that licenses and disciplines counseling professionals to use terms like fraud and deceit seems to be a matter of public interest. If shining a small light on the issue offends you then so be it.
Lazy Huh

Chatsworth, GA

#9 Dec 31, 2010
Nobody knows?
Lazy Huh

Chatsworth, GA

#10 Jan 1, 2011
Guess not
Truth Finder

AOL

#11 Sep 11, 2012
I called the TN Health Board. Since this charge, the Board has changed the terms of the charges it makes to more accurately reflect what actually happened. But at the time Dr. Thurman was "charged" they still used dynamite terms to "reprimand" less than a match.*As it turns out* Dr. Thurman was ***NOT*** guility of fraud, NOT deceit, NOT malpractice--NOTHING LIKE THAT. It was explained that he may have been seeing too many nursing home patients (bec there's not enough psychologists willing to) and when his records were audited, some of the entries were not as detailed as they "should" have been. WHAT A SHAME! This is a kind, gentle, patient, WONDERFUL psychologist! PLEASE don't let this big basket of terms dissuade anyone from seeking help from this excellent psychologist!
Asher

Johnson City, TN

#12 Sep 27, 2012
Ok
pgr4488

Cookeville, TN

#13 Jan 14, 2013
>> PLEASE UNDERSTAND - THIS IS NOT WHAT IT SEEMS! Several family members have been pts of Dr. Thurman. I am not related, not a friend, nor do I work for him. But when I saw this, I had to offer the true information. I was shocked until I called the State Board and learned what happened.
>> This is a man of EXCELLENT character, a compassionate and caring psychologist. He sees private patients and pts in nursing homes--a much-needed service. Be assured Dr. Thurman committed NO intentional "fraud" or "deceit"--which implies he tried to be paid for something he didn't do.
>> Psychologists seeing Medicare pts in nursing homes must first travel there, try to see pts when awake and available, they spend more time in kind visiting than they get paid for AND must follow very laborious and strict guidelines for HOW THEY RECORD THE NOTES of even 10-15min visits. They are paid VERY little, many times only $8-$28. Then they must take more time later (sometimes longer than the pt visit) making the long notes Medicare requires. If Medicare reviews charts and every word they want to see is not included, a finding can result such as happened to Dr. Thurman--where NO deceit or fraud was intended and by far, too little was paid for his services--just his notes were not extensive enough.
>> Since this happened, the State Board rules have been changed so this terrible designation no longer harms the unintended healthcare provider just over pt notes !
>> PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO SCHEDULE WITH THIS PSYCHOLOGIST. You will see that's a good decision and the good man and caring psychologist he is!
Soc_Security_Con sultant

Elizabethton, TN

#14 Apr 18, 2015
To set the record straight. Dr. Thurman was fired from his job as a clinical psychologist in January 2007. His employer filed required reports with the state licensing board and the American Psychological Association. The specific allegation was falsifying records, administering standardized tests inappropriately and incorrectly, charging the Social Security Disability Determination Service for psychological services that were falsified, or not rendered at all. Those claims ran into the tens of thousands of dollars for services never rendered. He removed a test kit from ETSU that was worth more than a thousand dollars and kept it. There is a name for that kind of behavior, but ETSU staff decided not to pursue criminal charges.
He is no longer allowed to provide evaluation services for Social Security.
Instead of acting swiftly on the complaint as they should have done, the state psychology licensing board dragged their investigation out for at least two years. They allowed him to plead guilty to lesser offenses, allowing him to keep his license instead of revoking it, just to close the case.
Humpty

Johnson City, TN

#15 May 8, 2015
Did this guy work for Grace Point Counseling at one time? If so, he needs his license revoked for life!

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