Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#22 Jul 4, 2013
That was an article in the Washington Post I found on FB. It sums everything up quite nicely. Sorry I chopped it up so much but the 4000 character limit proved to be annoying as I copied and pasted it because my links to it didn't work..
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#23 Jul 4, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
That was an article in the Washington Post I found on FB. It sums everything up quite nicely. Sorry I chopped it up so much but the 4000 character limit proved to be annoying as I copied and pasted it because my links to it didn't work..

I fear that I cut part of it out. Here's a link that will take you to the article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021159...
Patrick

Kingsport, TN

#24 Jul 4, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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The founding fathers also warned of Democracy.. The United States was founded as a Republic. Thomas Jefferson said that Democracy wasn't viable outside the confines of a small town. Our government is a flawed balancing act between Republianism and Democracy. I understand what you're saying and all and I agree to a certain extent. The problem I have with Democracy these days is that any fool once they reach 18 years of age regardless of their mental capacity is allowed to vote. Therefore, as the stupid people outnumber the educated and informed, our country begins being run by idiots.. I don't have any answers to the problem, but I foresee corruption in government no matter what we do. Best way to limit the corruption would be to cut the size of the government and just eliminate a bunch of this federalization of everything. Less government equals less corruption.
I agree here. But the push from the right APPEARS to be less governing. THAT'S A LIE. They want fewer people governing more. George Bush , sr. Said "There's 50 men who run American and none of them are politicians" ....the end of a democratic society came when the Spreme Court passed Citizens United allowing UNLIMITED and ANONYMOUS funding from corporations to politicians .... Now the top 1% are pushing to do the same. Folks, the power of the people is being handed over to Wall Street by right winged Treasonist and we are spiraling straight toward civil war.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#25 Jul 4, 2013
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>I agree here. But the push from the right APPEARS to be less governing. THAT'S A LIE. They want fewer people governing more. George Bush , sr. Said "There's 50 men who run American and none of them are politicians" ....the end of a democratic society came when the Spreme Court passed Citizens United allowing UNLIMITED and ANONYMOUS funding from corporations to politicians .... Now the top 1% are pushing to do the same. Folks, the power of the people is being handed over to Wall Street by right winged Treasonist and we are spiraling straight toward civil war.
I don't understand why the illusion still exists that the Republican Party represents the rich and top 1% and the Democratic Party is out to help the poor. Both parties are in bed together and support the same agenda, they're one in the same..
Hillbillyboy

United States

#26 Jul 4, 2013
This country is in a mess alright. I dont think I have ever seen things this badly messed up in America.

Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like a genius for leadership. And he makes Richard Nixon look like a paragon of honesty and virtue.

And he makes Reagan look like King Arthur.

And he makes the GOP look like the Keystone Cops.

Somebody tell me when things are going to get better?
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#27 Jul 4, 2013
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree here. But the push from the right APPEARS to be less governing. THAT'S A LIE. They want fewer people governing more. George Bush , sr. Said "There's 50 men who run American and none of them are politicians" ....the end of a democratic society came when the Spreme Court passed Citizens United allowing UNLIMITED and ANONYMOUS funding from corporations to politicians .... Now the top 1% are pushing to do the same. Folks, the power of the people is being handed over to Wall Street by right winged Treasonist and we are spiraling straight toward civil war.
Patrick, you've said some pretty radical stuff on here, but I think even you know that both parties are run by powerful corporations.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#28 Jul 4, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
This country is in a mess alright. I dont think I have ever seen things this badly messed up in America.

Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like a genius for leadership. And he makes Richard Nixon look like a paragon of honesty and virtue.

And he makes Reagan look like King Arthur.

And he makes the GOP look like the Keystone Cops.

Somebody tell me when things are going to get better?
Things will hit rock bottom first. That's what it will take to awaken the people, like the people in Egypt. Don't quote me on this but I read that 30 million Egyptians protested their messed up government. What will it take before the American people will unite in a similar fashion? The old saying "United we stand, divided we fall" is ringing truer and truer.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#29 Jul 4, 2013
Take 8 minutes of your time and watch this video. Then ask yourself why this man isn't our president. He's the only person who actually seems to care about what's best for the American people..

http://youtu.be/0CgAP_gBEPQ
Served

Banner Elk, NC

#30 Jul 5, 2013
The problem with this country does not lie in the office of the presidency. If you are going to blame every situation on the president, you have to place blame on the office, not just one president in particular. All presidents continue policies created by their predecesors. The real problem lies in the senate and the house. Some of these jokers have had decades to do what is right for the country and instead have only concentrated on bringing their respective party to power and reelections. They have all been corrupted by special interest groups and lobbyist. Until we have term limits, this problem will continue.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#31 Jul 5, 2013
Served wrote:
The problem with this country does not lie in the office of the presidency. If you are going to blame every situation on the president, you have to place blame on the office, not just one president in particular. All presidents continue policies created by their predecesors. The real problem lies in the senate and the house. Some of these jokers have had decades to do what is right for the country and instead have only concentrated on bringing their respective party to power and reelections. They have all been corrupted by special interest groups and lobbyist. Until we have term limits, this problem will continue.
We can't blame them for the executive orders made exclusively by the president tho. Those are his and his only and where the majority of my problems with this administration lie..
Hillbillyboy

United States

#32 Jul 5, 2013
And the Supreme Court is a poster child of "Things that make Democracy fail".

Why should 9 unelected jerks, who answer to no one, be able to over-ride the President, Congress, and the People?

And write US Law on thier own?

(Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc. The people and the Congress all voted these down, but the Extreme Court wrote them into law anyway)

And all based just on thier political whims?

I think the Supreme Court should have never been set up, and should definitely be abolished.

They are a travesty to Democracy, and a shame and a disgrace to free people.

If our founding fathers ever got anything wrong, it was establishing the Supreme Court, which has turned into a bastion of tyranny.
Served

Banner Elk, NC

#33 Jul 5, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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We can't blame them for the executive orders made exclusively by the president tho. Those are his and his only and where the majority of my problems with this administration lie..
Which particular orders?
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#34 Jul 5, 2013
Served wrote:
<quoted text>Which particular orders?
Here ya go

http://www.google.com/search...

There's 154 total.. The one I despise the most is the one called "indefinite detention".. Read up on it and I doubt you'll like it either..
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#35 Jul 5, 2013
Served wrote:
The problem with this country does not lie in the office of the presidency. If you are going to blame every situation on the president, you have to place blame on the office, not just one president in particular. All presidents continue policies created by their predecesors. The real problem lies in the senate and the house. Some of these jokers have had decades to do what is right for the country and instead have only concentrated on bringing their respective party to power and reelections. They have all been corrupted by special interest groups and lobbyist. Until we have term limits, this problem will continue.
I'm glad you brought up the issue of term limits. Did you know there's a bill before congress to amend the 22nd amendment and end presidential term limits? Here's a link, pick whatever news source you trust

http://www.google.com/search...
Served

Banner Elk, NC

#36 Jul 5, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
Here ya go
http://www.google.com/search...
There's 154 total.. The one I despise the most is the one called "indefinite detention".. Read up on it and I doubt you'll like it either..
What executive order # are you referring to? I did not see one listed as "indefinite detention".
Hillbillyboy

United States

#37 Jul 5, 2013
Served wrote:
<quoted text>
What executive order # are you referring to? I did not see one listed as "indefinite detention".
The indefinite detention thing was actually burried deep within the fine print and overwhelming pages of a defense spending bill.

To have said "no" to the bill would open up politicians to the lame charge of being :against funding the military".

The House and Senate both passed it, with only 3 members voting against it.

Obama knew what was in the bill with regards to indefinite detention, and signed it anyway.

Just like he knew what the NSA was doing, and he knew that the IRS was targetting Christian and conservative groups for IRS annahilation, and he knew about "Fast and Furious", and he knew about the Benghazi thing...and the cover up, and he knew about.....
Cheese Puff Daddy

Farmington, MO

#38 Jul 5, 2013
Served wrote:
<quoted text>What executive order # are you referring to? I did not see one listed as "indefinite detention".
So... Being a person in favor of term limits, how do you feel about the notion of amending the 22nd amendment and ending term limits for the president?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#39 Jul 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
So... Being a person in favor of term limits, how do you feel about the notion of amending the 22nd amendment and ending term limits for the president?
Looks like the Liberals have no truth in them, as he avoided your question.

Looks like this political contest in America would indeed be a battle of Good vs Evil, as we already know the Liberal Democrats stand for the powers of evil.

Except that, now a days with the GOPs "New and Improved" leadership, the GOP doesnt stand for good.

They stand for the powers of...neutrality.

So, is that where we are in America these days? A political battle between the forces of darkest evil, and the forces of neutrality?
Served

Banner Elk, NC

#40 Jul 8, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
So... Being a person in favor of term limits, how do you feel about the notion of amending the 22nd amendment and ending term limits for the president?
I am against repealing the the 22nd amendment, just like I have been each time the bill has been introduced since 1995 or 97, I forget which year it was originally introduced. It has been brought up 8 or 9 times over the last couple of decades.
Served

Banner Elk, NC

#41 Jul 8, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like the Liberals have no truth in them, as he avoided your question.
Looks like this political contest in America would indeed be a battle of Good vs Evil, as we already know the Liberal Democrats stand for the powers of evil.
Except that, now a days with the GOPs "New and Improved" leadership, the GOP doesnt stand for good.
They stand for the powers of...neutrality.
So, is that where we are in America these days? A political battle between the forces of darkest evil, and the forces of neutrality?
Not avoiding, just not available. It's not a battle of good vs evil, it is whatever you think is the lesser of 2 evils, which will still be evil. I am not a liberal, I am a dying breed, a moderate republican. Which conservative extremists have, is these days of extreme left and right, labeled as liberals. It's really a shame that you have to pick a side to fight against instead of wanting what's actually right for the American people. The polarizing of this nation is what is going to bring it down. All these social, heart string tugging causes are just a smoke screen to distract us from what is really going on.

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