TEC Clergy meet re SC diocese split

Nov 16, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Lake Wylie Pilot

Clergy and delegates from one of the oldest Episcopal dioceses in the nation meet this weekend in Charleston to discuss the future after splitting with the national church over issues including the ordination of gays ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Nov 16, 2012
from Lake Wylie Pilot:

"But in a letter to the diocese on Thursday, national Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori says the diocese cannot leave the mother church ...

"Local leaders earlier passed a resolution saying the diocese would leave the national church if it took any action asserting authority over the local diocese or its leaders."
Listen to the Word

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#3 Nov 17, 2012
Evidently, according to Jefferts-Schori one can "abandon" the mother church, but not "leave" the mother church. Well, any "child" that is constantly abused by its "mother" should leave. If not, the "child" should be taken away for its own good.

Why would Jefferts-Schori want to keep a diocese that does want her or her TEC? I suppose one could say that she doesn't want such a public embarrassment of her failed leadership. More likely, she wants all the buildings and the money, even though she did ot pay for the buildings and the money wasn't given for her.

Legally, she will be probably get them because TEC stacked the cards its favor long ago. Morally, ethically, and scripturally she is a common thief. But she does care, as long as she gets the money.

Look for more losses in TEC! Good Christians will leave and start over before taking the continuned abuse from their "oh so inclusive" church!

Since: Aug 09

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#4 Nov 17, 2012
Listen to the Word wrote:
Evidently, according to Jefferts-Schori one can "abandon" the mother church, but not "leave" the mother church. Well, any "child" that is constantly abused by its "mother" should leave. If not, the "child" should be taken away for its own good.
Why would Jefferts-Schori want to keep a diocese that does want her or her TEC? I suppose one could say that she doesn't want such a public embarrassment of her failed leadership. More likely, she wants all the buildings and the money, even though she did ot pay for the buildings and the money wasn't given for her.
Legally, she will be probably get them because TEC stacked the cards its favor long ago. Morally, ethically, and scripturally she is a common thief. But she does care, as long as she gets the money.
Look for more losses in TEC! Good Christians will leave and start over before taking the continuned abuse from their "oh so inclusive" church!
The above post is full of inconsistencies and falsehood.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#5 Nov 18, 2012
Listen to the Word wrote:
Why would Jefferts-Schori want to keep a diocese that does want her or her TEC? I suppose one could say that she doesn't want such a public embarrassment of her failed leadership. More likely, she wants all the buildings and the money ...
The irony is that after the more orthodox members of the congregation leave, there aren't enough "continuing" Episcopalians left to afford the upkeep for all those empty buildings, so they become a financial liabiity to the diocese, which is eventually forced to sell them at a loss.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#6 Nov 18, 2012
You shall not steal.

Since: Aug 09

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#7 Nov 18, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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The irony is that after the more orthodox members of the congregation leave, there aren't enough "continuing" Episcopalians left to afford the upkeep for all those empty buildings, so they become a financial liabiity to the diocese, which is eventually forced to sell them at a loss.
So?

Faith is something inside of a person that may endure all sorts of experience and may become stronger and with more conviction, regardless of circumstance. What is the Goal? What is the subjective or objective importance of conducting oneself within a pattern of living remembrance?

Tangible and financial gains or losses are only a measure of certain types of success. Such successes may be ultimately relevant only where such tangibles exist and sometimes such tangibles are a hindrance.

If thine eye be single, thine whole body shall be full of light.

What does this mean?

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#8 Nov 18, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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So?
Faith is something inside of a person that ...
... can't pay the upkeep for an almost empty church.

Since: Aug 09

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#9 Nov 19, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... can't pay the upkeep for an almost empty church.
Sorry, little brother.

But, simply filling in the blanks as one sees fit does not assure one of producing a correct answer.

The relevance you seek is not to be found in the pews of a church or a bank or the office of the recorder of deeds.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#10 Nov 19, 2012
RevKen wrote:
The relevance you seek is not to be found in the pews of a church or a bank or the office of the recorder of deeds ...
It's relevant to the ownership and future of TEC, which now looks bleaker with the exit of yet another of its dioceses.
George

Jacksonville, FL

#11 Nov 19, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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It's relevant to the ownership and future of TEC, which now looks bleaker with the exit of yet another of its dioceses.
Ah yes. Almost makes me want to break out in singing the Doxology or perhaps an updated version - Another One Bites The Dust.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#12 Nov 19, 2012
George wrote:
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Ah yes. Almost makes me want to break out in singing the Doxology or perhaps an updated version - Another One Bites The Dust.
How's the wife?
George

Jacksonville, FL

#13 Nov 19, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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How's the wife?
Fine thanks for asking. How is your husband?

Since: Aug 09

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#14 Nov 19, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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It's relevant to the ownership and future of TEC, which now looks bleaker with the exit of yet another of its dioceses.
Wrong again, as usual and deliberately so.

The Diocese remains a part of The Episcopal Church and will continue to be recognized legally, physically and spiritually as such. Many of the parishioners of this Diocese will continue to remain loyal Episcopalians. They will be the core of the rebuilding.

As for those who are leaving, they are welcome to go wherever the Spirit is helping them to go.

But, by their own testimony, they cannot depart from TEC and then still claim to operate a Diocese of TEC. That would be a simple conflict of terms.

If any real estate is to be sold off, let it happen if need be.

"Store up your treasure where it cannot be stolen or corrupted."

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#15 Nov 20, 2012
RevKen wrote:
The Diocese remains a part of The Episcopal Church and will continue to be recognized legally, physically and spiritually as such ...
... in an empty church building that eventually will be put on the market and sold at a loss to the diocese.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#16 Nov 20, 2012
George wrote:
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Fine thanks for asking. How is your husband?
My wife is fine and still studying in an Episcopal Seminary.

Where did yours study again?

;-)

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#17 Nov 20, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... in an empty church building that eventually will be put on the market and sold at a loss to the diocese.
LOL!

You're talking about those silly romans again....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#18 Nov 20, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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My wife is fine and still studying in an Episcopal Seminary ...
An extended separate vacation?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#19 Nov 21, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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An extended separate vacation?
No, most of her work now is done here at home.

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't share your bitterness....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#20 Nov 21, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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No, most of her work now is done here at home ...
How do you manage to stay out of her way?

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