PA housebill 76-eliminate school prop...
Finalapproach

Lehighton, PA

#21 Apr 8, 2013
Tweet Tweet wrote:
<quoted text>. So when income tax and sales tax receipts are down due to economic conditions we're just supposed to trust that idiots like Argall won't screw our kids over. Ill pass on that.
Our kids are getting screwed now! as well as the teachers, no one is getting screwed more then the tax payers which then reflects back to the kids cause moms and dads can't afford to give them a better life because they have to worry about paying property tax instead of providing a good life for their family, don't you think its time to do something about it instead of putting your head in the sand?
Having everyone pay fair across the board instead of the hardworking homeowners only paying is a slam dunk! The economy would boom in Pa if this Bill goes through its a no brainer, businesses would move in, people would finally be able to fix up their homes without getting penalized there for more jobs created for people would spend more due to savings from not having the property tax, people would actually own their homes therefore real estate would boom! the economic conditions would be way better than they are now, with everything going up except paychecks...at least our kids would have a fighting chance if HB 76 were to pass
reform this

Kittanning, PA

#22 Apr 8, 2013
None of you will live long enough to see property tax reform because you don't donate as much money as the special interest who want to keep the status quo,like the Chamber of Commerce.
Uh Huh

Lehighton, PA

#23 Apr 8, 2013
reform this wrote:
None of you will live long enough to see property tax reform because you don't donate as much money as the special interest who want to keep the status quo,like the Chamber of Commerce.
"I'm not cynical; I'm experienced." I agree with you. My take on the Harrisburg pols is that they know this won't pass precisely because of the special interest lobby, but it gives them something to do while doing basically nothing and affords them the chance to proclaim, "We tried!" The unwashed masses will nod in agreement, re-elect them, and go on as usual. "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose." America, don'cha love it? LOL
Randy Smith

Chalfont, PA

#24 Apr 9, 2013
Just pay your taxes and shut up.
reform this

Kittanning, PA

#25 Apr 9, 2013
Uh Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
"I'm not cynical; I'm experienced." I agree with you. My take on the Harrisburg pols is that they know this won't pass precisely because of the special interest lobby, but it gives them something to do while doing basically nothing and affords them the chance to proclaim, "We tried!" The unwashed masses will nod in agreement, re-elect them, and go on as usual. "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose." America, don'cha love it? LOL
It all comes down to my granddaddy or daddy voted republican or democrat and that's the way I'm going to vote.I've come to the conclusion it doesn't matter who you vote for or who wins,the culture in Harrisburg is so corrupt,if you don't go along with the status quo they'll chew you up and spit you out.Practices that would get you prison time in other states are perfectly legal in Pennsylvania
Finalapproach

Lehighton, PA

#26 Apr 9, 2013
Randy Smith wrote:
Just pay your taxes and shut up.
Classic!!!! And people wonder why this area is the way it is! "Pay your taxes and shut up" great intelligent response! Nice...
Retired

Ebensburg, PA

#27 Apr 9, 2013
Has anyone heard that many Seniors(That can afford to) move South where the Real Estate taxes are much cheaper and Unions hardly exist? This Senior is looking because of taxes being so high here!

Take Delaware- that state proudly boasts it's Real Estate taxes in Sussex County are the lowest in the Country. Please check out this link:
http://www.scaor.com/taxes.html

They do not have a sales tax and tax property on 1974 home values!

I have a cousin whom moved from Philly to Lewes,DE and he pays $1600 total in taxes a year for his $350,000 home that has 3 acres! He even gets $500 off that since he is over 65 and has less than $60,000 in income!

My home here in the area was valued at $225,000 and my taxes are $6400!(with Carbon County 48% tax increase)!

Another Example: Tennessee.They do use the sales Tax formula to fund Schools and Government along with Low property Taxes. They tax everything including food but feel this is a fair way that EVERYONE pay for services including those on welfare!

I was curious about this so I visited the Smokey Mts of TN as a potential place to move and found out they too have Low Low taxes. They only tax 25% of the home value. So if I lived in TN my taxes would be about $1125 a year for County, School and Town on a home of the same value as my Carbon County Home that I pay $6400!

By the way it is not hick town as most people like to think! The town of Gatlinburg looked so much like Jim Thorpe driving down Mansion Road and then stopped! Gatlinburg is a town built also between Mts and has a river running through it but more business than Little Billy could ever Dream about for Carbon! They have a small Convention Center that the High school uses for graduation.A small Aquarium and so many stores including a Moonshine store! They get 10 million visitors a year! No wonder why the 9% sales tax works for them. They are not dumb-by far they sell the Hillbilly theme all over the area!

Pennsylvania should take lessons from the South.
Finalapproach

Lehighton, PA

#28 Apr 9, 2013
Retired wrote:
Has anyone heard that many Seniors(That can afford to) move South where the Real Estate taxes are much cheaper and Unions hardly exist? This Senior is looking because of taxes being so high here!
Take Delaware- that state proudly boasts it's Real Estate taxes in Sussex County are the lowest in the Country. Please check out this link:
http://www.scaor.com/taxes.html
They do not have a sales tax and tax property on 1974 home values!
I have a cousin whom moved from Philly to Lewes,DE and he pays $1600 total in taxes a year for his $350,000 home that has 3 acres! He even gets $500 off that since he is over 65 and has less than $60,000 in income!
My home here in the area was valued at $225,000 and my taxes are $6400!(with Carbon County 48% tax increase)!
Another Example: Tennessee.They do use the sales Tax formula to fund Schools and Government along with Low property Taxes. They tax everything including food but feel this is a fair way that EVERYONE pay for services including those on welfare!
I was curious about this so I visited the Smokey Mts of TN as a potential place to move and found out they too have Low Low taxes. They only tax 25% of the home value. So if I lived in TN my taxes would be about $1125 a year for County, School and Town on a home of the same value as my Carbon County Home that I pay $6400!
By the way it is not hick town as most people like to think! The town of Gatlinburg looked so much like Jim Thorpe driving down Mansion Road and then stopped! Gatlinburg is a town built also between Mts and has a river running through it but more business than Little Billy could ever Dream about for Carbon! They have a small Convention Center that the High school uses for graduation.A small Aquarium and so many stores including a Moonshine store! They get 10 million visitors a year! No wonder why the 9% sales tax works for them. They are not dumb-by far they sell the Hillbilly theme all over the area!
Pennsylvania should take lessons from the South.
I agree with you 100% Pa needs to definitely do something and that's why I agree and support the Property Tax Independent Act, SB76, HB76! Action needs to happen before more people lose their homes!
Yee Haw

Meadville, PA

#29 Apr 9, 2013
Retired wrote:
Has anyone heard that many Seniors(That can afford to) move South where the Real Estate taxes are much cheaper and Unions hardly exist? This Senior is looking because of taxes being so high here!
Take Delaware- that state proudly boasts it's Real Estate taxes in Sussex County are the lowest in the Country. Please check out this link:
http://www.scaor.com/taxes.html
They do not have a sales tax and tax property on 1974 home values!
I have a cousin whom moved from Philly to Lewes,DE and he pays $1600 total in taxes a year for his $350,000 home that has 3 acres! He even gets $500 off that since he is over 65 and has less than $60,000 in income!
My home here in the area was valued at $225,000 and my taxes are $6400!(with Carbon County 48% tax increase)!
Another Example: Tennessee.They do use the sales Tax formula to fund Schools and Government along with Low property Taxes. They tax everything including food but feel this is a fair way that EVERYONE pay for services including those on welfare!
I was curious about this so I visited the Smokey Mts of TN as a potential place to move and found out they too have Low Low taxes. They only tax 25% of the home value. So if I lived in TN my taxes would be about $1125 a year for County, School and Town on a home of the same value as my Carbon County Home that I pay $6400!
By the way it is not hick town as most people like to think! The town of Gatlinburg looked so much like Jim Thorpe driving down Mansion Road and then stopped! Gatlinburg is a town built also between Mts and has a river running through it but more business than Little Billy could ever Dream about for Carbon! They have a small Convention Center that the High school uses for graduation.A small Aquarium and so many stores including a Moonshine store! They get 10 million visitors a year! No wonder why the 9% sales tax works for them. They are not dumb-by far they sell the Hillbilly theme all over the area!
Pennsylvania should take lessons from the South.
Have no fear Carbon county is talking about opening a Meth Museum in the Packerton Yards.That should bring in the tourist and tax revenue
Spencer

Lehighton, PA

#30 Apr 10, 2013
I want a Meth lab at Packerton Yards.
Odessa K

Lansford, PA

#31 Apr 10, 2013
Spencer wrote:
I want a Meth lab at Packerton Yards.
That would be great ,some competition would put you out business
Football is king

United States

#32 Apr 14, 2013
Odessa K wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be great ,some competition would put you out business
Never happen Spencer and the boys run a kiddie porn ring in back room of the Sokol Club. The only dope they have in there is spenser
Argall is a moron

Lehighton, PA

#33 Apr 14, 2013
It's really pathetic that any of you would want things here modeled after some of the most backward states in the country. The education systems in most southern states is the reason why those places aren't competitive in the newer, more high tech industries. If you don't invest the money in an educated workforce, then business will not want to locate near you. Unless you want more minimum wage jobs that people can't survive on. The educated workforce around the Lehigh Valley is a huge reason why so many of the high tech firms have set up operations in the area.

This bill will go nowhere because the math on the pensions doesnt work and not having a set funding level(in $$) each year makes it impossible for school boards to operate.

Dave Argall is as dumb as Doyle Heffley if he thinks that this is going anywhere.
Not A Gobber

Meadville, PA

#34 Apr 15, 2013
Argall is a moron wrote:
It's really pathetic that any of you would want things here modeled after some of the most backward states in the country. The education systems in most southern states is the reason why those places aren't competitive in the newer, more high tech industries. If you don't invest the money in an educated workforce, then business will not want to locate near you. Unless you want more minimum wage jobs that people can't survive on. The educated workforce around the Lehigh Valley is a huge reason why so many of the high tech firms have set up operations in the area.
This bill will go nowhere because the math on the pensions doesnt work and not having a set funding level(in $$) each year makes it impossible for school boards to operate.
Dave Argall is as dumb as Doyle Heffley if he thinks that this is going anywhere.
Argall has been pandering to the goobers for about 10 years when he talks about property reform.He knows it's not going to happen but it keeps the goobers from waking up and asking him why the state isn't funding the schools at the constitutionally mandated 50%.
Disgusted

Lehighton, PA

#35 Apr 15, 2013
Yeah, right. Throw more money at the schools - kids still can't read or compete. Check how much has been spent for the past decade, and the results are still the same. More money isn't the answer. Maybe a good war would wake up America.
Argall is a moron

United States

#36 Apr 15, 2013
Hey disgusted, maybe you should check the numbers. School spending hasn't kept pace with student demands. Education is not immune to inflation. To be able to compete in today's world, students need access to some technology in school. The days of the schools just being desks, pencils, paper and a teacher are OVER. It's a new tech savvy world and our kids deserve the chance to compete in it. Stripping down the schools like Corbett has done is immoral.
Disgusted

Lehighton, PA

#37 Apr 15, 2013
Yeah, right.
realty

Lehighton, PA

#38 Apr 16, 2013
only if the kids in pv cared....85 percent are bums and living off the system just look at some of the parents in their pajamas at the bus stop
keep on the lights

Lehighton, PA

#39 Apr 16, 2013
The problem starts when the pajamas come off
MJG

Norwalk, CT

#40 Apr 23, 2013
Good logic wrote:
<quoted text>
So with that logic, I shouldn't to pay borough taxes since I've never used the police or fire department and none of us should have to pay county taxes, since we all know those 3 clowns do nothing but waste money on pet project like packerton swamp
Police and Fire are available for EVERYONE who needs those services. Schools are available ONLY for people who have kids going to those schools. That's the difference you miss and that's why your argument fails.
It is patently unfair to ask people who do not have kids in a school district to subsidize the wasteful, inflated school costs of people who do. But mostly, school taxes, especially here in NY, are out of control because of the bloated salaries, pensions and benefits of teachers and school administrators. That's why property taxes are outrageously high.
Higher school taxes actually make for lower re-sale values as people are reluctant to buy houses with high taxes. People are fleeing Long Island in droves because of this. Mediocre public schools that spread some myth about "great education" doesn't really help when tax time comes around.
But hey, using your logic, a neighborhood with beautiful homes would certainly increase re-sale value of the homes in the area...so you should give me money so I can re-model my house...it's only fair because re-modeling my house will benefit you too. Now get out your checkbook.

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