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So if the U.S. starts using a single payer system it will be better? You don't think the government is going to count nickles when it is giving out health care to you? Sure it will. Just as the insurance companies do. But with insurance I can pick just how much and good of care I will receive. Depends on the cost of the policy and which insurance company I use. I can also pick which hospital I want to use. I can pick the doctors I want to use. I can take the prescriptions that are prescribed to me, not what the government wants me to take. I won't have some government bureaucrat that knows nothing, telling me that I am too old and am not worth saving my life, or that they have spent the allowed amount of money on me and they will do no more. I won't have to wait weeks maybe months just to see a doctor and then months to get a life saving operation.
All of the above is the standard procedure in many countries that have socialized healthcare.
I can't believe you equate the beer you buy with the healthcare that you will receive.Pretty nutty if you ask me.
Dave: compare the comments who you're debating vs. that of people that work or have worked in the healthcare industry and understand how business works.
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"Poll: Hispanics Want Border Security, Interior Enforcement Before Amnesty."


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
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Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>So if the U.S. starts using a single payer system it will be better? You don't think the government is going to count nickles when it is giving out health care to you? Sure it will. Just as the insurance companies do. But with insurance I can pick just how much and good of care I will receive. Depends on the cost of the policy and which insurance company I use. I can also pick which hospital I want to use. I can pick the doctors I want to use. I can take the prescriptions that are prescribed to me, not what the government wants me to take. I won't have some government bureaucrat that knows nothing, telling me that I am too old and am not worth saving my life, or that they have spent the allowed amount of money on me and they will do no more. I won't have to wait weeks maybe months just to see a doctor and then months to get a life saving operation.
All of the above is the standard procedure in many countries that have socialized healthcare.
I can't believe you equate the beer you buy with the healthcare that you will receive.Pretty nutty if you ask me.
Come on, your smarter than that.

I specifically pointed our why:

- capitalism is a great way to organize the sale of beer, which is a nonessential consumer product, the availability and cost of which is completely internalized by the consumer;

- the private company tries to charge you the highest price possible, and deliver the cheapest beer in return.

- if you spend $1,316 for a 37 cent beer, that's your problem, and your's alone.

- If you don't get a beer, because of price of other considerations, nothing bad happens to you or the taxpayers. If you buy a beer, you use your money and we don't have to pay the bartender for you.

- capitalism is an idiotic and intellectually moronic way to organize the provision of health care, which is an essential consumer service, the availability and cost if which is externalized to the taxpayers and other consumers at large.

- If you, or your kids, don't get the proper health care..... you, or they ..die. If you get health care, and can't pay, them we taxpayers and other consumers have to pay for your freeloading deadbeat butt.

- if it costs you $2,137,915 for the 4th liver transplant caused by malpractice, and $1,856,222 of that is maxe up of profit, then the taxpayers and other consumers get to pay the cost, because you might have $121.12 in savings.

We all get screwed.

As for "choice". You get all the choice you get now under current insurance policies. You don't like the doctors United Healthcare approves for you - pay the difference in cost - and go to the Mayo Clinic for a blister on your toe for all anyone cares.

Try as hard as you like, every industrialized country in the world has elected to go to single-payor health care, none have returned to sacrificing their children's lives at the Sacred Alter of the God of Capitalism.

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Stupid Republicans, first they vote for Obamacare and now they want to Permanently Delay.
Dam bunch of rinos and political hacks who are just as bad as those sorry demos.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/senate-re...
Great post! It won't matter, though. The liberals on Topix will think you are making it up. lol We've posted article after article about the way the American public has been misled on this issue, but the libs don't want to hear it. There is definitely something inherently wrong with them. They were born with the Obamabot gene. Apparently, there's no cure. SMH
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<quoted text>Why don't they "get" that with the government in charge of our healthcare, we will have NO choices??? We will be completely at the government's mercy.
Please... How many people you know want to surrender they Medicare, or Part D, or throw momma out of that Medicaid nursing home bed and pay for the costs themselves.

Yea ... Right....

If hypocrisy was gold, the folks on TOPIX who shout about being anti-socialist would all be billionaires.

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"Poll: Hispanics Want Border Security, Interior Enforcement Before Amnesty."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
I truly believe that those Hispanics who have gone through the process to become legal resent those who are here illegally. In other words, if they have to follow the rules, the others should be expected to, also.

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Please... How many people you know want to surrender they Medicare, or Part D, or throw momma out of that Medicaid nursing home bed and pay for the costs themselves.
Yea ... Right....
If hypocrisy was gold, the folks on TOPIX who shout about being anti-socialist would all be billionaires.
Just more of your same old broken record. You want the government to be in control of your healthcare. I don't. You are used to being told how to live. You union types have been told what to do ever since you joined. It's a way of life for you to let your "boss" make your decisions. Another entity telling you what to do wouldn't bother you at all. It woud make you feel MORE warm and fuzzy. Did you read where the leader of the AFL-CIO is not happy with Obama and his newest Obamacare mandate decision? Dang! You just can't get anything for your money these days, huh?

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Try as hard as you like, every industrialized country in the world has elected to go to single-payor health care, none have returned to sacrificing their children's lives at the Sacred Alter of the God of Capitalism.
What a DRAMA KING!

Every article that has been posted supporting socialized medicine(2) has been rebutted by MORE articles. How is it that you can just ignore the many articles that have been posted on Topix warning of the pitfalls of Obamacare? A majority of the American people don't want it. Does it not bother you one iota that it's being FORCED on us? If not, you are on a level of crazy that's dangerous for this country.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Try as hard as you like, every industrialized country in the world has elected to go to single-payor health care, none have returned to sacrificing their children's lives at the Sacred Alter of the God of Capitalism.

All countries single payer huh?

The more you post the dumber you get.

http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-...
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What a DRAMA KING!

Are you sure you don't mean Drag King?
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This might interest you.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Reid is afraid to send it to the house of rep.
It all looks like showtime for elections.
WoW. LoL. What a bunch of dummies we have over there in the Senate. We need to fire all of them come election time? Ya think?
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Oh Ugly Eve, opinions are just opinions, you canít buy insurance with them nor buy food with them. Heck, you canít even get respect with them.
Oh Ugly Eve, I see you didn't look at this link::
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress...
Which include the 20-30 million undocumented immigrants who use and get free health care at emergency health facilities who will pay NOTHING for healthcare. There are millions of others in this category listed also.
Oh Ugly Eve, try taking your head out of the sand and living on opinions only.
Which is cheaper for 2014, the $95 penalty for a single person, or insurance cost of over $2400 a year? And the IRS CANNOT make the person pay the penalty. The only way the IRS can get the money is if the person is due a tax refund, the IRS can deduct it from their refund. Any half way sensible person will make sure they keep their money before giving it to the IRS in taxes. Walla, no need to pay the penalty. And if they need emergency care, they still get free care from the emergency room.
Oh Ugly Eve. Now a sensible man would feel foolish knowing these facts, but still assume Obamacare is Heaven sent healthcare. Obamacare is nothing more than a huge tax on the young, the struggling family, and the lower middle class. The rich already have good insurance and can afford it so they will not be affected.
But since Oh Ugly Eve is NOT a sensible man, but an opinion man, you will remain the same.
Why donít you tell us just how you are going to benefit with Obamacare? How much is Obamacare going to cost you? Which insurance plan under Obamacare are you going to pay for?
You just keep proving you are a MORON, makes my job so much easier. I will answer just one more of you moronic questions. How will I benefit. I will be able to buy health insurance as a self employed person without being raped by big insurance because I choose to work for myself. I will not live in fear that my insurance carrier will continue to increase my premiums because of pre existing condition that is 10 years old. My insurance premiums will rise with the masses, not just at the whim of some corporation. I will not go into an emergency room filled with people with no insurance getting treatment for their kids cold. They have no insurance and can get treatment at the ER for free. Now they will pay, or at least pay a fine. You should be fined for being do stupid, but this is American and that's your right.
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Obamacare disaster getting worse.

Almost everything this administration does is a lie, or the utmost in incompetence.

For the last several months, we've heard the White House repeatedly pledge to Congress and the American people that the president's Affordable Care Act will be ready on schedule," Brady, the subcommittee chair, said in his opening statement. "In fact, Secretary Kathleen Sebelius recently insisted before this very committee that the White House would not miss another Obamacare deadline. Not one, not again.

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Come on, your smarter than that.
I specifically pointed our why:
- capitalism is a great way to organize the sale of beer, which is a nonessential consumer product, the availability and cost of which is completely internalized by the consumer;
- the private company tries to charge you the highest price possible, and deliver the cheapest beer in return.
- if you spend $1,316 for a 37 cent beer, that's your problem, and your's alone.
- If you don't get a beer, because of price of other considerations, nothing bad happens to you or the taxpayers. If you buy a beer, you use your money and we don't have to pay the bartender for you.
- capitalism is an idiotic and intellectually moronic way to organize the provision of health care, which is an essential consumer service, the availability and cost if which is externalized to the taxpayers and other consumers at large.
- If you, or your kids, don't get the proper health care..... you, or they ..die. If you get health care, and can't pay, them we taxpayers and other consumers have to pay for your freeloading deadbeat butt.
- if it costs you $2,137,915 for the 4th liver transplant caused by malpractice, and $1,856,222 of that is maxe up of profit, then the taxpayers and other consumers get to pay the cost, because you might have $121.12 in savings.
We all get screwed.
As for "choice". You get all the choice you get now under current insurance policies. You don't like the doctors United Healthcare approves for you - pay the difference in cost - and go to the Mayo Clinic for a blister on your toe for all anyone cares.
Try as hard as you like, every industrialized country in the world has elected to go to single-payor health care, none have returned to sacrificing their children's lives at the Sacred Alter of the God of Capitalism.
There is no hope for you.
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BS IS Called wrote:
Obamacare disaster getting worse.
Almost everything this administration does is a lie, or the utmost in incompetence.
For the last several months, we've heard the White House repeatedly pledge to Congress and the American people that the president's Affordable Care Act will be ready on schedule," Brady, the subcommittee chair, said in his opening statement. "In fact, Secretary Kathleen Sebelius recently insisted before this very committee that the White House would not miss another Obamacare deadline. Not one, not again.
For the clueless, gutless, and uneducated "judges" out there, please explain your ignorant judgements, if you can. While you're at it, tell me where lower and middle income workers are going to get the money to buy health insurance, if you can. Tell me why the individual mandate was not postponed also, if you can.

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I just finished reading an article by Jaun Williams. I usually do not agree with almost anything that man says. This time he actually wrote a insightful and well thought out article on the Zimmerman trial. It is fair to say that he is not happy with our news media.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/11/whi...

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Bigdave1 wrote:
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There is no hope for you.
Absolutley correct. IO has lost the debate. His continual diatribes are nothing more than a smokescreen to mask his defeat to other libroids. You could stay off this thread for a month, come back, and IO will still be touting the same old thing.

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Gee, we are running out of oil. What are we to do?

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/07/10/texas-oil-...
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BS IS Called wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...Tell me why the individual mandate was not postponed also, if you can.
Countdown: 175 Days Until the End of Job Lock in America
Posted: 07/09/2013 9:57 am
Wendell Potter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/...

The Obama administration's decision to postpone for a year the requirement that large employers offer health insurance to their workers has been characterized by pundits on the left as a capitulation to big business and on the right as the latest evidence that Obamacare isn't working.

Actually, it's neither, although the lefties have reason to be annoyed. Even so, I'm willing to cut the administration some slack on this one. The health care reform bill passed by Congress made implementation of the employer mandate unnecessarily complicated, for both employers and the administration, as former Obama health policy aide Ezekiel Emmanuel pointed out in a recent New York Times column. The House version of the reform bill, which would have required employers with 50 or more workers to contribute a portion of their payroll to covering their employees, would have been less challenging to implement than the Senate version that became law, which requires companies to offer coverage to employees who work 30 hours or more a week.

...According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 98 percent of companies with 200 or more workers provide coverage, and 94 percent of those with 50-199 workers do. This means that the part of the reform law the administration is postponing until 2015 -- the requirement that employers with 50 or more workers offer coverage -- affects only a very small percentage of companies and between 1 million and 1.5 million people.

While it's unfortunate those folks will have to wait an extra year before their employers offer subsidized coverage, it doesn't mean that they will necessarily be uninsured. That's because of other, more important provisions of the Affordable Care Act that are still scheduled to go into effect January 1, 2014.

...Another important provision set for January 1 will prohibit insurers from charging people in their 40s, 50s and 60s more than three times as much as people in their 20s and 30s.

...In addition, in less than three months, people who can't get coverage through their workplace can shop for it in a way that finally makes sense. They'll be able to buy it on the online marketplaces that every state and the District of Columbia must have up and running on Oct. 1.

...Also gone forever on January 1 will be an obstacle unique to America in the developed world -- job lock. An untold number of Americans for all practical purposes are indentured servants in large corporations, locked into jobs they don't like but won't dare quit because of their employer-subsidized health coverage.

...The postponement of the so-called employer mandate, which won't affect many employers in the first place, will not delay the end of job lock or the implementation of the long-awaited consumer protections that will go into effect in a few months. If it did, we'd have reason to march on the White House. It doesn't. So let's chill.
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BS IS Called wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...While you're at it, tell me where lower and middle income workers are going to get the money to buy health insurance, if you can
Why No One Should Lose Sleep Because Big Insurers Are Taking a Pass on Exchanges
Posted: 07/02/2013 10:45 am
Wendell Potter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/...

...Some critics of the reform law are suggesting that if the big companies aren't willing to sell policies on all the exchanges, Obamacare is somehow fatally flawed and will surely fail to live up to the promise of lower premiums through more robust competition among insurers.

But I think we'll all be just as well off if the big companies stay out of the individual and small group market, which the exchanges are designed to serve. Those companies have overhead costs and are under constant pressure from their shareholders and Wall Street financial analysts to spend as little of their premium revenue paying claims as the law will allow.

That means most of those who are selling policies to individuals and small businesses will primarily be nonprofit companies, including the new co-op health plans that have received start-up loans from the federal government. Without the need to price their policies to cover a substantial profit and pay executives millions of dollars every year, the nonprofits should be able to sell coverage that is more affordable.
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A GOP Idea That's Part of Obamacare Showing Signs of Working as Planned
Posted: 05/13/2013 3:34 pm
Wendell Potter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/...

...While it's possible that some people will have to pay more -- especially those with low-benefit, high-deductible plans that are soon to be abolished -- most folks who have to buy coverage without an employer's help will likely pay less, thanks to income-based tax credits that will be available for the first time. As the Oregonian noted, at least half the people who buy coverage on the state's exchange will qualify for a tax credit. And they'll be able to determine quickly how much the tax credit will reduce their premiums simply by providing income information on the exchange website.

Americans in every state can look forward to these GOP-inspired consumer benefits and protections and the very real possibility of lower premiums, assuming ObamaCare goes forward. Which, of course, it won't if House Republicans' 40th attempt to repeal ObamaCare does indeed prove to be the charm.
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It's CEO Pay Shock, Not Premium Rate Shock, That We Should Be Outraged About
Posted: 04/15/2013 11:45 am
Wendell Potter
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wendell-potter/...

...Policies will have to provide decent coverage for hospitalization and other "essential benefits," and the annual and lifetime caps will be banned. Insurers will also have to provide information in plain language about what is covered and in a format that will enable consumers to make apples-to-apples comparisons among plans.

Aetna CEO Bertolini probably was thinking of the thousands of people who are currently enrolled in limited benefit plans when he warned of premium rate shock. And he has a point. The premiums for such plans are low compared to policies that actually cover medical care doctors and nurses provide to cure you once you've been hospitalized. It's not unreasonable to think that Aetna would charge its existing limited benefit customers more for real insurance -- maybe even twice as much. But because insurers market limited benefit plans to low income workers, most likely will qualify for subsidies to help them pay the premiums.

Indeed those people might be shocked when Aetna tells them how much they'll have to pay for a plan that is not "virtually worthless."

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