Who

Baldwin, GA

#17539 Jul 7, 2013
Scott wrote:
<quoted text>
By comparing Obama to Bush, I.O. has found a way a way to show the ultimate insult to Bush. My friends in Finland, Russia, Germany and Peck, Kansas all think I.O. is a pain but, not a Thomas Paine.

LOL, your friends outrank his friends.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17540 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is so far to the right he nudges Bush.
Lets see...
- Bush started the idiotic Iraq War ... Obama still has troops there;
- Bush started bombing civilians with drones...Obama still does and has killed dozens more than Bush;
- Bush started that War Crime called Guantanamo...Obama keeps it open(
- Bush started subcontracting illegal killing to mercenaries... Obama maintains the same policy;
- Bush secretly assassinated Americans he claimed were "enemy combatants" in some idiotically described "war", on a "battlefield" that includes Sheboygan, Wisconsin and Little Rock, Arkansas...Obama claims the same "authority";
- Bush replaced U.S. Attorneys with Right Wing Wackos... Obama kept 'em;
- Bush turned the country's economy over to Wall Street Banksters... Obama did the same thing;
- Bush allowed the Bankters to steal trillions from Americans, destroy the economy, make millions homeless, and collect bonuses for their traitorous doings...Obama refused to prosecute the Banksters, letting them keep the money and avoid prison;
- Bush pursued "Whistleblowers" who told Americans of their governments crimes and misconduct...Obama prosecutes 5X more Whistleblowers than Bush;
- Bush trampled on the international rights sovereign nations...Obama just forced down a foreign president's official plane,(imagine if Air Force One was forced down and searched);
- Bush took millions from corporations that paid to avoid regulations...Obama has taken more;
and on and on.
Obama, like all Right Wingers, likes to talk about gays and guns, but, like all Right Wingers, he knows what's important and it's called m.o.n.e.y. and p.o.w.e.r.
Gays and guns are around just to be distracting shiny objects to fascinate the masses while the money and power is deposited in the 0.5%.
If Obama is next to Bush on the far right, then why don't you write about all of the Obama failures, lies and mistakes instead of Bush? Obama is and has been the president for the last 4 1/2 years.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17541 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
And wore white hats.
Any U.S.drone strike in any country is an act of war. Wouldn't the U.S. go to war with a country that attacked anything in our country with a drone? I see no difference between a drone attack and a fighter or bomber aircraft attacking.
Any act of war should be kept in a war zone.
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17542 Jul 7, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
If Obama is next to Bush on the far right, then why don't you write about all of the Obama failures, lies and mistakes instead of Bush? Obama is and has been the president for the last 4 1/2 years.
Not to butt in, but he has. He mainly asked why are you guys so mad now at Obama for doing the same thing's Bush did. I don't understand why you guys hate Obama myself. He is not nearly as bad as Bush.(IMO) It makes one tend to believe you hate him, because of his skin color.(IMO) IO goes around his elbow to get to a$$ most of the time, is his main problem. LoL.(IMO)
Scott

Twinsburg, OH

#17543 Jul 7, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously haven't been followin this thread from the beginning. IO has always said that Obama was only the slightly less evil version of Bush. Bush's stupidity and greed can't be compared to anyone, as he was the worst President ever.
You are right. I haven't followed this thread from the beginning.
I think when this thread started, I was still riding my big wheel down to the corner market to buy bubble gum.
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17544 Jul 7, 2013
I used to think Obama wasn't as bad as Bush, because he hasn't started any unnecessary wars. I am starting to think I was wrong, because if he gives our country away to illegal criminal immigrants, then war is imminent. Only this time it will be on our soil. So Obama is headed toward being the worst president ever in a hurry.(IMO):(

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#17545 Jul 7, 2013
Perhaps OMTE has questions about me, maybe not. I can't answer for IO. Perhaps IO will give a similar statement. This is only to clear the air about myself and why I feel the way I do.Remember I am a conservative but I am not a Republican, although I have voted Republican before. I do not speak for other conservatives on this site.
IMO Bush was a terrible president. He was just another RINO that the people voted in thinking he was a conservative Republican. He was neither. Bush had many liberal ideas such as supporting the immigration bill as he is doing now. He didn't keep a close eye on our economy as he should have and looks to have made deals with Wall St. buddies. He allowed the Patriot Act to be passed and look what that has done to us.
Obama has taken over where he left off. The EPA under the Obama Administration is actually killing off industries and jobs. His misuse, in my opinion, of our military powers are evident. His use of the NSA and the IRS seem to be in question. He seems to too busy making political speeches and taking vacations, and trips instead of spending time actually guiding us out of this economic depression. If he were trying to hurt this economy he couldn't be doing a better job.
He seems either totally incompetent or is the biggest liar there ever was concerning all the scandals. He says he knows nothing about all of them. It is his job to know about them and to find out what is going on. Then he should take some real action not just words and continue to ignore them.
I don't hate the man. I just do not think he is the man to be President.
Bush was white and I didn't like him as president. Obama is half white and half black, which makes him bi-racial, and I don't like him as president. If there were an actual Black man or women as president and they did a performed badly, I still wouldn't approve of them.
The skin color doesn't bother me but the piss poor job that they do does bother me. I also don't like their Socialistic/Communist thoughts, ways and actions that they are trying to push on this country.
Perhaps OI could enlighten us to his real thoughts and feelings unless he has something to hide. Lets just see where he really stands and if he has enough guts to put it out there instead of yelling Bush this, and Bush that.If he doesn't then all of his future post mean nothing. Just a bunch of words.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#17546 Jul 7, 2013
^^^^^^ Well said, BigDave.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17547 Jul 7, 2013
Commonality among most Americans:

Against oppression by government.

Fair taxation with fair representation.
Just laws applied to all.

Fair voting laws.

Proper Immigration under the laws that exist.

Property rights equal for all without government seizure.

The right to express one's opinion without government political correctness.

And many others that anyone can apply that includes common sense and fairness.


Main reasons for disagreements:

Misunderstanding of others point of view caused by the inability to verbalize one's point of view.

Citizens who expect others to be responsible for their actions, their livelihood, their healthcare, and their general well being.

Dogmatic viewpoints that exclude common sense.

Taking the lives of the innocents outside the bounds of decency, need, and based on selfishness.

Recognizing marriage of same sex people, which questions common logic, sense, and expectation that all peoples should approve.


And many others that anyone can apply that includes common sense and fairness.


(Common sense and Fairness) Common sense being sound practical judgment independent of specialized knowledge or training; normal native intelligence.

Fairness being evenhandedness, equitable, not inclined to injustice.



OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17548 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
Commonality among most Americans:
Against oppression by government.
Fair taxation with fair representation.
Just laws applied to all.
Fair voting laws.
Proper Immigration under the laws that exist.
Property rights equal for all without government seizure.
The right to express one's opinion without government political correctness.
And many others that anyone can apply that includes common sense and fairness.
Main reasons for disagreements:
Misunderstanding of others point of view caused by the inability to verbalize one's point of view.
Citizens who expect others to be responsible for their actions, their livelihood, their healthcare, and their general well being.
Dogmatic viewpoints that exclude common sense.
Taking the lives of the innocents outside the bounds of decency, need, and based on selfishness.
Recognizing marriage of same sex people, which questions common logic, sense, and expectation that all peoples should approve.
And many others that anyone can apply that includes common sense and fairness.
(Common sense and Fairness) Common sense being sound practical judgment independent of specialized knowledge or training; normal native intelligence.
Fairness being evenhandedness, equitable, not inclined to injustice.
Agreed.
Who

Baldwin, GA

#17549 Jul 7, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
Perhaps OMTE has questions about me, maybe not. I can't answer for IO. Perhaps IO will give a similar statement. This is only to clear the air about myself and why I feel the way I do.Remember I am a conservative but I am not a Republican, although I have voted Republican before. I do not speak for other conservatives on this site.
IMO Bush was a terrible president. He was just another RINO that the people voted in thinking he was a conservative Republican. He was neither. Bush had many liberal ideas such as supporting the immigration bill as he is doing now. He didn't keep a close eye on our economy as he should have and looks to have made deals with Wall St. buddies. He allowed the Patriot Act to be passed and look what that has done to us.
Obama has taken over where he left off. The EPA under the Obama Administration is actually killing off industries and jobs. His misuse, in my opinion, of our military powers are evident. His use of the NSA and the IRS seem to be in question. He seems to too busy making political speeches and taking vacations, and trips instead of spending time actually guiding us out of this economic depression. If he were trying to hurt this economy he couldn't be doing a better job.
He seems either totally incompetent or is the biggest liar there ever was concerning all the scandals. He says he knows nothing about all of them. It is his job to know about them and to find out what is going on. Then he should take some real action not just words and continue to ignore them.
I don't hate the man. I just do not think he is the man to be President.
Bush was white and I didn't like him as president. Obama is half white and half black, which makes him bi-racial, and I don't like him as president. If there were an actual Black man or women as president and they did a performed badly, I still wouldn't approve of them.
The skin color doesn't bother me but the piss poor job that they do does bother me. I also don't like their Socialistic/Communist thoughts, ways and actions that they are trying to push on this country.
Perhaps OI could enlighten us to his real thoughts and feelings unless he has something to hide. Lets just see where he really stands and if he has enough guts to put it out there instead of yelling Bush this, and Bush that.If he doesn't then all of his future post mean nothing. Just a bunch of words.

While not a big Bush supporter, he was all the conservatives had to vote for. I can't imagine a conservative voting for Gore in 2000 or Kerry in 2004. I have voted for conservative Democrats in the past, sadly I haven't seen a conservative democrat run for office in a long time.
And right now many repubs are rino repubs. Many of them were democrats in the past and are democrats in heart today wearing sheep's clothing of conservatism.




Who

Baldwin, GA

#17550 Jul 7, 2013
OMTE wrote:
I used to think Obama wasn't as bad as Bush, because he hasn't started any unnecessary wars. I am starting to think I was wrong, because if he gives our country away to illegal criminal immigrants, then war is imminent. Only this time it will be on our soil. So Obama is headed toward being the worst president ever in a hurry.(IMO):(

While I agree with many of your foreign policy positions, I disagree with many of your social policy positions. Obama is bad for both foreign, and domestic policy positions in my opinion.

His "immigration policy" sucks, his "big government policy" sucks, his "interference policy" of family sucks, his use of "presidential mandates policy" sucks, and his "political policy" sucks big time and has caused the failure of the economy to rebound.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#17551 Jul 7, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
Perhaps OMTE has questions about me, maybe not. I can't answer for IO. Perhaps IO will give a similar statement. This is only to clear the air about myself and why I feel the way I do.Remember I am a conservative but I am not a Republican, although I have voted Republican before. I do not speak for other conservatives on this site.
IMO Bush was a terrible president. He was just another RINO that the people voted in thinking he was a conservative Republican. He was neither. Bush had many liberal ideas such as supporting the immigration bill as he is doing now. He didn't keep a close eye on our economy as he should have and looks to have made deals with Wall St. buddies. He allowed the Patriot Act to be passed and look what that has done to us.
Obama has taken over where he left off. The EPA under the Obama Administration is actually killing off industries and jobs. His misuse, in my opinion, of our military powers are evident. His use of the NSA and the IRS seem to be in question. He seems to too busy making political speeches and taking vacations, and trips instead of spending time actually guiding us out of this economic depression. If he were trying to hurt this economy he couldn't be doing a better job.
He seems either totally incompetent or is the biggest liar there ever was concerning all the scandals. He says he knows nothing about all of them. It is his job to know about them and to find out what is going on. Then he should take some real action not just words and continue to ignore them.
I don't hate the man. I just do not think he is the man to be President.
Bush was white and I didn't like him as president. Obama is half white and half black, which makes him bi-racial, and I don't like him as president. If there were an actual Black man or women as president and they did a performed badly, I still wouldn't approve of them.
The skin color doesn't bother me but the piss poor job that they do does bother me. I also don't like their Socialistic/Communist thoughts, ways and actions that they are trying to push on this country.
Perhaps OI could enlighten us to his real thoughts and feelings unless he has something to hide. Lets just see where he really stands and if he has enough guts to put it out there instead of yelling Bush this, and Bush that.If he doesn't then all of his future post mean nothing. Just a bunch of words.
+1 well stated

It's kinda funny that the clueless and uneducated think that just because someone is against the current POTUSA that they were "for" Romney and/or were "W" supporters. As I've said many times before, Romney wasn't my first choice for the Republicans, nor the 2nd, probably not even the 3rd.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#17552 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
While not a big Bush supporter, he was all the conservatives had to vote for. I can't imagine a conservative voting for Gore in 2000 or Kerry in 2004. I have voted for conservative Democrats in the past, sadly I haven't seen a conservative democrat run for office in a long time.
And right now many repubs are rino repubs. Many of them were democrats in the past and are democrats in heart today wearing sheep's clothing of conservatism.
+1 Yep.

When you get one "D" and one "R" in the race, knowing that the other candidates don't have a realistic chance (I'm a Libertarian, but most of my votes are for the "R" candidates, more as an "against" the "D" candidates), you're somewhat limited in your choice. One MIGHT almost consider it the lesser of two evils...
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17553 Jul 7, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
+1 well stated
It's kinda funny that the clueless and uneducated think that just because someone is against the current POTUSA that they were "for" Romney and/or were "W" supporters. As I've said many times before, Romney wasn't my first choice for the Republicans, nor the 2nd, probably not even the 3rd.
What's your problem dude?
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17554 Jul 7, 2013
Who wrote:
<quoted text>
While I agree with many of your foreign policy positions, I disagree with many of your social policy positions. Obama is bad for both foreign, and domestic policy positions in my opinion.
His "immigration policy" sucks, his "big government policy" sucks, his "interference policy" of family sucks, his use of "presidential mandates policy" sucks, and his "political policy" sucks big time and has caused the failure of the economy to rebound.
What social policies do you disagree with me on?
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#17555 Jul 7, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>If Obama is next to Bush on the far right, then why don't you write about all of the Obama failures, lies and mistakes instead of Bush? Obama is and has been the president for the last 4 1/2 years.
Somehow you just read a post that said Obama was a Bush clone,
that both Bush and Obama should be in prison for their War Crimes and illegal conduct, and you criticize me for not criticizing Obama.

In the immortal words of my brother: "Huh ?"
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#17556 Jul 7, 2013
Scott wrote:
<quoted text>By comparing Obama to Bush, I.O. has found a way a way to show the ultimate insult to Bush. My friends in Finland, Russia, Germany and Peck, Kansas all think I.O. is a pain but, not a Thomas Paine.
Wow - for a second I thought you were going to dispute the facts presented that demonstrate Bush and Obama are clones on issue that really matter - money and power, but of course, you can't, so you didn't even try.

We understand.

Having agreed with me that Bush and Obama are clones, now you can try to explain why Bush was the "good" clone, and Obama is the "bad" clone.

Or explain how all the things Obama is doing that match exactly what Bush did, are "bad" when Obama does them, and were "good" when Bush did them.

Or explain how Bush was a conservative when he turned a budget surplus into a $1.4 Trillion Dollar annual deficit, and Obama is a liberal when he cut the budget deficit in half.

Or explain how Reagan was a conservative when he tripled the national debt in 8 years, and Clinton was a liberal when he cut the deficits, and handed over a budget surplus to Bush.

Or... Why not just admit that "Conservative" and "Liberal" classifications have been so bastardized they are useless.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#17557 Jul 7, 2013
OMTE wrote:
I used to think Obama wasn't as bad as Bush, because he hasn't started any unnecessary wars. I am starting to think I was wrong, because if he gives our country away to illegal criminal immigrants, then war is imminent. Only this time it will be on our soil. So Obama is headed toward being the worst president ever in a hurry.(IMO):(
If your angry with Obama for amnesty for illegals - I am too - and we both should admit Reagan must be even worse than Obama as a president because he really pushed amnesty for illegals and signed it into law.

Just being intellectually consistent.
OMTE

Ford City, PA

#17558 Jul 7, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
If your angry with Obama for amnesty for illegals - I am too - and we both should admit Reagan must be even worse than Obama as a president because he really pushed amnesty for illegals and signed it into law.
Just being intellectually consistent.
Agreed.

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