Fort Hood should be a wake-up call

[Lakeshore]

Arctic49519 wrote:

I think the christian extremists here in this country are just as much of a threat as the muslim ones.

Really? When has the Christian extremists blown up a marine barracks or flown planes into skyscrapers or shot people from highways like target practice or blown up buildings or tried to light their shoe to take down a plane, or hijacked an airliner or blown up an air plane mid-air on SEVERAL occasions PanAm, Swiss Air and TWA, or blown up USS Cole, need I list more?

But then again, liberals don't see terrorists as terrorists because that's not politically correct.

[_Dingo]

Arctic49519 wrote:

I think the christian extremists here in this country are just as much of a threat as the muslim ones.

Well, that's why most people here don't listen to you , Arctic. I haven't seen that we Christian nutjobs are all over the news gunning innocent people down and flying airliners into buildings. What is wrong with you anyway, did a Christian steal your girlfriend? Or is it that once again a progressive has run full-speed into reality and is now reeling to try and point blame on anyone but his own ridiculous, politically correct party of special interest groups and social justice.

I say here's proof that progressives get it wrong every time. You people brought this on us by insisting we ignore clear indications of a radical Muslim with bad intent, all for the sake of protecting a specific group of people. Your own legislation and teams of lawyers and special interest groups stifle common sense initiative. This could have been avoided if people weren't so f'ng afraid of hbeing branded a racist. Yet here you are doing your best to try and point blame away from where it belongs. Right on your own party's pointy head.

[Big O]

_Dingo wrote:

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Yet here you are doing your best to try and point blame away from where it belongs. Right on your own party's pointy head.

In my little pea brain, the basic reason the Middle Eastern radical Muslims hate us is because of our catering to the Israel State since it's inception after WWII. If that is an acceptable insight, many leaders of this nation of ours from both parties must be held accountable and blamed. No one person or one party is at fault.

[DARK HELMET LIVES]

What I'd like to know is how the hell our intelligence community totally managed to drop the ball--again--and let this prick go until on right out in plain sight until he was ready for his little death dance. 50 plus fine Americans paid the price for it. I just knew as soon as I heard this assholes name that this had "sleeper cell/muslim sympathyzer" written all over it!

God, I hate it when I'm right about shit like this ...

One thing's for damn sure--it happened on OBAMAs watch! Cant't blame George W for this one (even though I know you stupid libs'll try anyway).

[abranger]

Big O wrote:

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In my little pea brain, the basic reason the Middle Eastern radical Muslims hate us is because of our catering to the Israel State since it's inception after WWII. If that is an acceptable insight, many leaders of this nation of ours from both parties must be held accountable and blamed. No one person or one party is at fault.

It is a large reason but not the only one. To continue on and say that our leaders, past and present must accept some sort of blame for being a friend and ally of Israel and protecting their right to exist as a sovereign nation is tantamount to saying they shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of Arab world, with few exceptions don't believe they should exist and would be quite happy if they disappeared from the face of the earth. If that's what you are intimating, then I don't think there's any hope for you.

[Big O]

abranger wrote:

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It is a large reason but not the only one. To continue on and say that our leaders, past and present must accept some sort of blame for being a friend and ally of Israel and protecting their right to exist as a sovereign nation is tantamount to saying they shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of Arab world, with few exceptions don't believe they should exist and would be quite happy if they disappeared from the face of the earth. If that's what you are intimating, then I don't think there's any hope for you.

Where did I say that??

One person here said that the Democrats were at fault for 9-11 ... I just made a statement that more are to blame than one party based on that poster's observation.

You been reading Artic's posts too much ...

[Big O]

abranger wrote:

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It is a large reason but not the only one. To continue on and say that our leaders, past and present must accept some sort of blame for being a friend and ally of Israel and protecting their right to exist as a sovereign nation is tantamount to saying they shouldn't exist in the first place. Most of Arab world, with few exceptions don't believe they should exist and would be quite happy if they disappeared from the face of the earth. If that's what you are intimating, then I don't think there's any hope for you.

At what point does the US stop wet-nursing the most powerful military presence/nation in the Middle East??? We can't afford them anymore, can we???

[abranger]

Big O wrote:

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Where did I say that??
One person here said that the Democrats were at fault for 9-11 ... I just made a statement that more are to blame than one party based on that poster's observation.
You been reading Artic's posts too much ...

You stated that our leaders have to be held accountable and blamed.

FOR WHAT?

You sound just like the blame America first crowd. I for one, am sick of it.

[Big O]

abranger wrote:

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You stated that our leaders have to be held accountable and blamed.
FOR WHAT?
You sound just like the blame America first crowd. I for one, am sick of it.

So, you agreed that my statement "the basic reason the Middle Eastern radical Muslims hate us is because of our catering to the Israel State since it's inception after WWII.", but disagree with the the second part "If that is an acceptable insight, many leaders of this nation of ours from both parties must be held accountable and blamed."

Therefore, you contradict yourself as you agreed that that was an acceptable insight. Then you threw in something about I don't feel that Israel has a right to exist, which I never said.

Your rambling competes with Artic at times ... read what is in print, not what you think is in print ... and stop extrapolating what someone says.

[Arctic49519]

abranger wrote:

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How many Christian extremists have piloted airplanes into buildings killing thousands of innocent people? How many Christian extremists have prowled Washington D.C. as a sniper picking off and killing 20 people? How many Christian extremists bought two handguns and killed 13 people at an Army base? There are others but I doubt you get the point...drink some more Kool-aid.

How many christian extremists have killed doctors by shooting them or bombing abortion clinics?

How many children have been molested by christian clergy?

How many christian rip-off con-artists (like Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.) are there?

How many christian wackos have attacked our Constitutional separation of church and state?

How many christian nutjobs have tried to handcuff science and the funding of science in the name of religion?

How many "witches" were burned in the name of christianity?

[radell]

_Dingo wrote:

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Did I say anything about religion? No. Unless of course you're referring the Islamic Jihad religion of blowing people up, gunning them down or beheading them.
I'll tell you exactly what should be done. We should destroy any laws or political strength given to forcing Diversity on a free society. Forced diversity is nothing more than tyranny and an opening for special interest groups to come in and gain power. Left alone to work and live without skin color being thrown around like a threat a free society will become diverse on it's own. It may take time, but it will happen.
Let me ask you something now: How many Muslims have been attacked in America by raving lunatic right wing Christian wackjobs?
Now, how many Americans have been killed by radical Islamic Muslims?
You tell me where political correctness helped.

I'm simply asking what specific laws you think are forcing diversity. I would really like to know your answer to that question. The answer to your question on how many Muslims have been attacked by Christian wackjobs is beside the point. Ask how many Americans have been victims of Christian terrorism and that can be quantified. It's not as many as 9/11 and the like. But any is too many.

[radell]

abranger wrote:

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I believe by everything I've read so far that this individual was accurately pinpointed by Government regulations already in effect and due to political correctness, nothing was done. The Obama administration obviously thinks that negotiating with terrorists (by the way, that word has been stricken from official language by the administration)is going to solve all the problems and we are all going to live happily ever after. This is either naive, stupid or both. By hating America, as I believe many in power do and constantly apologizing for every problem or ill in the world as if it's all our fault only emboldens murderers and convinces them that what they are doing is working. By the way, where are the Muslims in this country....strangely silent. None of them are denouncing this act, denouncing terrorism, murder or Jihad. If it were a Catholic, the Pope would have spoken out immediately. Radell, you would do well to stop trying to defend this group and come to the realization that they are our sworn enemies...all of them.

Where did you see my defense of this group? The fact that I've asked you to justify and clarify your opinion? That's not what I'm doing. And you're not clarifying your opinion. You are using buzzwords that mean different things to different people. Please define what you want done.

[Dan Bana]

abranger wrote:

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I believe I said Muslim extremists. These are not true Muslims. Please read carefully before you post.

That is like saying the IRA were not true Irish, they are true Muslims, they are just really, really peed off and who can blame them after 8 years of abuse of all kinds at the hands of Bush/Cheney. I am shocked, absolutely shocked that we have not seen more of this type of behavior in light of our disgraceful behavior. In conclusion we are reaping what we sowed and getting what we deserve.

[Dan Bana]

Arctic49519 wrote:

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How many christian extremists have killed doctors by shooting them or bombing abortion clinics?
How many children have been molested by christian clergy?
How many christian rip-off con-artists (like Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.) are there?
How many christian wackos have attacked our Constitutional separation of church and state?
How many christian nutjobs have tried to handcuff science and the funding of science in the name of religion?
How many "witches" were burned in the name of christianity?

Come on now, you know raping and pillaging for Jesus is not the same as raping and pillaging for Mohammed.There are rules for them and rules for us.

[Fred Tornado]

Arctic49519 wrote:

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How many christian extremists have killed doctors by shooting them or bombing abortion clinics?
How many children have been molested by christian clergy?
How many christian rip-off con-artists (like Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.) are there?
How many christian wackos have attacked our Constitutional separation of church and state?
How many christian nutjobs have tried to handcuff science and the funding of science in the name of religion?
How many "witches" were burned in the name of christianity?

How many extremist radical muslims shot up Ft. Hood and killed 13 people? Give up? One nutjob terrorist did it. Swerve all you want to Arctic, you're not going to persuade anybody that this was anything other than a terrorist act by a militant muslim.

[Lakeshore]

Arctic49519 wrote:

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How many christian extremists have killed doctors by shooting them or bombing abortion clinics?
How many children have been molested by christian clergy?
How many christian rip-off con-artists (like Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker, etc.) are there?
How many christian wackos have attacked our Constitutional separation of church and state?
How many christian nutjobs have tried to handcuff science and the funding of science in the name of religion?
How many "witches" were burned in the name of christianity?

We can list many more than you just did, for wacko liberals too. It's comparing apples and oranges.

And you equate these to mass murder and terrorism?

THIS is exactly WHY liberals are going to lose in 2010 & 2012. You try to poo-poo away REAL terrorism that effects the safety of the American people. It is really disgusting, however totally predictable.

You

[Fred Tornado]

Dan Bana wrote:

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That is like saying the IRA were not true Irish, they are true Muslims, they are just really, really peed off and who can blame them after 8 years of abuse of all kinds at the hands of Bush/Cheney. I am shocked, absolutely shocked that we have not seen more of this type of behavior in light of our disgraceful behavior. In conclusion we are reaping what we sowed and getting what we deserve.

Muslim is a faith, Irish is a nationality. The IRA were Irish, sure. They're just not Catholics as most claim to be. Nowhere in the Catholic teachings does it say to kill. So your analogy might have been clever to a four year old but to anyone with half a brain, fail. As to the rest of your post, don't you get tired of hating your country? Do you defend Israel with this type of vigor whenever Hamas or Hezbollah start lobbing rockets into Tel Aviv? Oh, I forgot, since Israel is our ally, than they must be evil too.

[sassysandy050]

Dan Bana wrote:

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That is like saying the IRA were not true Irish, they are true Muslims, they are just really, really peed off and who can blame them after 8 years of abuse of all kinds at the hands of Bush/Cheney. I am shocked, absolutely shocked that we have not seen more of this type of behavior in light of our disgraceful behavior. In conclusion we are reaping what we sowed and getting what we deserve.

The only thing shocking is why you bother to stay around when you obviously hate this country and its citizens the way you do. Haven't figured that out yet, must be because even you know that if you posted this tripe elsewhere, you would be dead in a heartbeat. Great thing about freedom, it allows even fools to hang around and continue to make fools of themselves.

[sam]

Big O wrote:

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At what point does the US stop wet-nursing the most powerful military presence/nation in the Middle East??? We can't afford them anymore, can we???

It wouldn't matter to 'radical' muslims if we quit supporting Israel yesterday. What you need to understand is 'radicals' don't want to live in a world that isn't muslim. They would rather die,(and take as many of us out at the same time) than live on a planet with any non-muslim. If you are a woman, or care about any women, the idea of sharia law should scare you. This is what the 'radicals' want to enforce.

[radell]

Lakeshore wrote:

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We can list many more than you just did, for wacko liberals too. It's comparing apples and oranges.
And you equate these to mass murder and terrorism?
THIS is exactly WHY liberals are going to lose in 2010 & 2012. You try to poo-poo away REAL terrorism that effects the safety of the American people. It is really disgusting, however totally predictable.
You

Oklahoma City was mass murder and terrorism. These examples already listed were terrorism. You're wrong to poo poo them.