Obama looks for union label

[SueT]

Workers in Barack Obama's new economic order fall into two categories -- those who are worthy of the president's energies, and those who aren't. You may be surprised to learn where you rank.

Obama doesn't weigh the value of workers based on their paychecks, what they do or whether they slip their feet into wingtips or steel-toed boots in the morning. His sole interest is in whether they have a union card in their wallet. detnews.com

Obama is sending a message to American workers -- if you want to join his new government-controlled economy, you'd better sign a union card.
If you don't, you can't expect him to get your back.

What about those sucking off the WELFARE system?

[Steelie]

Good Day,

Oh look, even more evidence of his Socialist agenda... how nice.

Steelie

[Businessminded_p lus4]

http://detnews.com/article/20091101/OPINION03...

[SueT]

Unions and their effects on industry are a microcosim of where the whole country is heading. Understanding theres only a beneficial place at the top of the gravy pyramid for about 10% of “the collective”. The rest of the collective is around merely to subsidize those privledged few.

[Allende]

A bit of a history lesson here.

Largely because of the union struggles in this country we have:

A minimum wage.

Health and safety regulations in the workplace.

An eight hour day.

Unemployment compensation.

I could add more to this list.

[SueT]

Allende wrote:

A bit of a history lesson here.
Largely because of the union struggles in this country we have:
A minimum wage.
Health and safety regulations in the workplace.
An eight hour day.
Unemployment compensation.
I could add more to this list.

Blah, Blah, Blah! Save the speech about how the unions saved the country and it's workforce. This country was already operating for sum 134 yrs. before unions ever came into existance.
The downward spiral came after the corruption of the unions and it's leadership firgured out how to extort money off the backs of the working class.
The very people the unions were said to be protecting they were screwing over at the same time, and so goes history.

[Shoeless Eluder]

Allende wrote:

A bit of a history lesson here.
Largely because of the union struggles in this country we have:
A minimum wage.
Health and safety regulations in the workplace.
An eight hour day.
Unemployment compensation.
I could add more to this list.

Here's a few more

Business leaving the country because the unions demand higher and higher wages for meanial jobs.

I know union dues are deductible on your taxes but they spend those dues backing and lobbying politicians that you may not like.

The minimum wage is not supposed to be a living wage, whatever that means, its an entry level wage for unskilled people.

Yes there was a time when unions were for the worker, but now they are more or less another branch of government.

[Spanksock]

Allende wrote:

A bit of a history lesson here.
Largely because of the union struggles in this country we have:
A minimum wage.
Health and safety regulations in the workplace.
An eight hour day.
Unemployment compensation.
I could add more to this list.

Yes your are right because nobody else would have thought of these things. It was completely the union. Nice try

[Dan Bana]

SueT wrote:

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Blah, Blah, Blah! Save the speech about how the unions saved the country and it's workforce. This country was already operating for sum 134 yrs. before unions ever came into existance.
The downward spiral came after the corruption of the unions and it's leadership firgured out how to extort money off the backs of the working class.
The very people the unions were said to be protecting they were screwing over at the same time, and so goes history.

BS, Unions are the product of corporate greed and abuses like child labor. Unions stopped the abuse of workers that now our corporate giants want to exploit with third world labor. The funniest thing I read this year was about an auto union in Mexico, serves the greedy SOBs right. You can run but you cannot hide.

[SueT]

Dan Bana wrote:

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BS, Unions are the product of corporate greed and abuses like child labor. Unions stopped the abuse of workers that now our corporate giants want to exploit with third world labor. The funniest thing I read this year was about an auto union in Mexico, serves the greedy SOBs right. You can run but you cannot hide.

That's the irony to it. While the so called union reps are preventing corporate greed their in the back alley cutting deals with the politican and execs on bribes and payoffs.

SEIU members in Los Angeles were victimized by one of the biggest cases of union corruption in recent history.

Members saw their money illegally used to support the city council race of Martin Ludlow. Ludlow was sentenced for conspiracy to illegally funnel money from SEIU Local 99 to his campaign and ordered to pay $36,000 in restitution.
Four of the last eight Teamsters union presidents have been criminally indicted.

Yea, I'm sure this was just all a misunderstanding. Same old union rhetoric of the past.

[Dan Bana]

SueT wrote:

<quoted text>That's the irony to it. While the so called union reps are preventing corporate greed their in the back alley cutting deals with the politican and execs on bribes and payoffs.
SEIU members in Los Angeles were victimized by one of the biggest cases of union corruption in recent history.
Members saw their money illegally used to support the city council race of Martin Ludlow. Ludlow was sentenced for conspiracy to illegally funnel money from SEIU Local 99 to his campaign and ordered to pay $36,000 in restitution.
Four of the last eight Teamsters union presidents have been criminally indicted.
Yea, I'm sure this was just all a misunderstanding. Same old union rhetoric of the past.

$36,000 whole dollars, you are kidding me, right. How about the millions if not more that Electrolux has "saved" by sending 3,000 Greenville jobs to Mexico. They destroyed the middle class in Greenville so they could exploit poor folks in Mexico.

Are you worried about the Costa Rico economy or middle class folks keeping jobs around here. Apparently Amway is more worried about the economy in Costa Rico. They should sell all their crap there too, good fing luck.

How about those sweat shops and mines in the 1800s, regulation and unions turned those from slave ship conditions to middle class jobs. I am sure you don't give a rats you know what though, you would rather save the SEIU employees from themselves.

How's that punk Kenny Gladny doing in St. Louis, did he get his butt out of that wheel chair yet after he got what he deserved from the SEIU members.

[_Dingo]

Dan Bana wrote:

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BS, Unions are the product of corporate greed and abuses like child labor. Unions stopped the abuse of workers that now our corporate giants want to exploit with third world labor. The funniest thing I read this year was about an auto union in Mexico, serves the greedy SOBs right. You can run but you cannot hide.

How'd that union bravado work out at Boeing/Washington, pete? I'm sure those workers who's jobs just went to South Carolina are really thanking their local union leader buddies!

And you morons are all for cap & tax, too. You'll be the first to start whining when companies take their jobs to more corporate-friendly countries. Of course you'll get it wrong as usual and try to blame capitalism.

[SueT]

Dan Bana wrote:

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$36,000 whole dollars, you are kidding me, right. How about the millions if not more that Electrolux has "saved" by sending 3,000 Greenville jobs to Mexico. They destroyed the middle class in Greenville so they could exploit poor folks in Mexico.
Are you worried about the Costa Rico economy or middle class folks keeping jobs around here. Apparently Amway is more worried about the economy in Costa Rico. They should sell all their crap there too, good fing luck.
How about those sweat shops and mines in the 1800s, regulation and unions turned those from slave ship conditions to middle class jobs. I am sure you don't give a rats you know what though, you would rather save the SEIU employees from themselves.
How's that punk Kenny Gladny doing in St. Louis, did he get his butt out of that wheel chair yet after he got what he deserved from the SEIU members.

Wow, that union did wonders for those at American Axle. I wonder how many of them are still looking for work.

[SueT]

Dan Bana wrote:

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$36,000 whole dollars, you are kidding me, right. How about the millions if not more that Electrolux has "saved" by sending 3,000 Greenville jobs to Mexico. They destroyed the middle class in Greenville so they could exploit poor folks in Mexico.
Are you worried about the Costa Rico economy or middle class folks keeping jobs around here. Apparently Amway is more worried about the economy in Costa Rico. They should sell all their crap there too, good fing luck.
How about those sweat shops and mines in the 1800s, regulation and unions turned those from slave ship conditions to middle class jobs. I am sure you don't give a rats you know what though, you would rather save the SEIU employees from themselves.
How's that punk Kenny Gladny doing in St. Louis, did he get his butt out of that wheel chair yet after he got what he deserved from the SEIU members.

You can't even make that about the same comparison. First, one was legal and one wasn't.
What Electrolux did was perfectly legal, sad but legal. You are like the rest of the union mentality that feel the company owes you something due to your years of service or just because you feel they do.
We've all seen plenty of companies pick up and relocate regardless of what their agendas are. Whether we agree with it or not, it will not be stopped.
No, it didn't destroy the middle class in Greenville. Believe it or not, the city of Greenville is still there. Yes, it upset alot of lives but you move on or you move out. You have choices as well.
Obama is ruining the middle class of this country single handedly and your still worried about Greenville.
Obama and his group of "storm troopers" will never stop business from relocating.

[say what]

SueT wrote:

Blah, Blah, Blah! Save the speech about how the unions saved the country and it's workforce. This country was already operating for sum 134 yrs. before unions ever came into existance.

And they came into existence for a reason; working conditions were terrible, hours were insanely long (even for young children), injuries were common with no compensation to the injured worker, nobody was standing up for the workers. I'm not a huge fan of unions, but give credit where it's due; they did much to improve workers rights and working conditions and hours.

[SueT]

say what wrote:

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And they came into existence for a reason; working conditions were terrible, hours were insanely long (even for young children), injuries were common with no compensation to the injured worker, nobody was standing up for the workers. I'm not a huge fan of unions, but give credit where it's due; they did much to improve workers rights and working conditions and hours.

You know this same old rhetoric has already been stated. Back
80 years ago those things certainly helped the working class.
It's no longer the case anymore.
We already have agencies that protect the American worker for safety issues, hours worked and age restrictions. The unions continue using this as a crutch to justify their existence.
Unions are just another "big business" using the working class for their own financial gains and driving up the cost of products.
The more money you make, the more money the union needs to operate.

[Chip]

Dan Bana wrote:

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$36,000 whole dollars, you are kidding me, right. How about the millions if not more that Electrolux has "saved" by sending 3,000 Greenville jobs to Mexico. They destroyed the middle class in Greenville so they could exploit poor folks in Mexico.
Are you worried about the Costa Rico economy or middle class folks keeping jobs around here. Apparently Amway is more worried about the economy in Costa Rico. They should sell all their crap there too, good fing luck.
How about those sweat shops and mines in the 1800s, regulation and unions turned those from slave ship conditions to middle class jobs. I am sure you don't give a rats you know what though, you would rather save the SEIU employees from themselves.
How's that punk Kenny Gladny doing in St. Louis, did he get his butt out of that wheel chair yet after he got what he deserved from the SEIU members.

Interesting that those electolux employees made a good living for many years, then they were stupid enough to vote in the union, and the company said, you know what thanks for the slap in the face for giving you a job, guess what, your fired. If you don't like your job go find another one, or start your own business.

[Chip]

Allende wrote:

A bit of a history lesson here.
Largely because of the union struggles in this country we have:
A minimum wage.
Health and safety regulations in the workplace.
An eight hour day.
Unemployment compensation.
I could add more to this list.

Minimum wage enforced by the government and NOT THE UNION
Health and safety regulations enforced by OSHA and NOT THE UNION
8 hour day? What 8 hour day, 40 hour week? Again, government NOT THE UNION.
Unemployment comp enforced by government and NOT THE UNION

Maybe before you add more you might want to consider if it is a union program or not.

How about this list.
Union destroys GM
Union = corruption and organized crime
Union causes job loss
Union weakens American companies competitiveness.
I can add more also if you would like.

[Allende]

Well, who you think originally lobbied government for these things?

[Allende]

Dan Bana wrote:

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BS, Unions are the product of corporate greed and abuses like child labor. Unions stopped the abuse of workers that now our corporate giants want to exploit with third world labor. The funniest thing I read this year was about an auto union in Mexico, serves the greedy SOBs right. You can run but you cannot hide.

And when a "Third World" government tries to make reforms we have a way of "intervening" and getting them a new government.