Board overturns salary decision for s...

Board overturns salary decision for supervisor

There are 78 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Sep 22, 2008, titled Board overturns salary decision for supervisor. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

A change of heart has occurred in Ottawa County's Georgetown Township. Dale Mohr ran as the Republican candidate during the primaries and won the spot for the incoming supervisor position.

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crash

Grand Rapids, MI

#2 Sep 23, 2008
one wonders what qualifications Mrs. Geerts has to presume she would be a good canidate?

ill assume her non-relation (her younger sister is married to Bill Holland Jr) to Bill Holland Sr. is meaningless.

But what makes her think she has the talent and qualifications to run a township? What's her background in, what jobs has she had? has she run a business? has she been a manager of some type?
hunter

Tarkio, MO

#3 Sep 23, 2008
I think she is a stay at home mom.
crash

Grand Rapids, MI

#4 Sep 23, 2008
Hunter,

then forsure she is qualified to be CEO of a multi-million dollar township.(sarcasm)
Reason

Dorr, MI

#5 Sep 23, 2008
I think the original plan is best...pay the supervisor a small salary and hire a professionally educated Township Manager to do the day to day things for teh township. This way politics are left out and you get an educated and qualified manager to move the township forward.
hunter

Tarkio, MO

#6 Sep 23, 2008
It seems a little crazy that that the township supervisor earns more than the mayor of Grand Rapids.
crash

Grand Rapids, MI

#7 Sep 23, 2008
Reason wrote:
I think the original plan is best...pay the supervisor a small salary and hire a professionally educated Township Manager to do the day to day things for teh township. This way politics are left out and you get an educated and qualified manager to move the township forward.
agreed,
Reality Check

Riverside, CA

#8 Sep 23, 2008
Reason wrote:
I think the original plan is best...pay the supervisor a small salary and hire a professionally educated Township Manager to do the day to day things for teh township. This way politics are left out and you get an educated and qualified manager to move the township forward.
The problem with this is that the manager is only responsible to the board, not the people. A supervisor is directly elected by the people, not hired by the board. The person running the township should be responsible to the people of the township!
Snow White

Ypsilanti, MI

#9 Sep 23, 2008
Ahhhh! Poison apples! Why don't YOU get educated before you deliver your eloquent potion.
Princeston

Denver, CO

#10 Sep 23, 2008
Here we go again with Mohr supporters attacking his opponent and trying to manufacture facts about her. Why don't you visit her website and learn about her: http://www.nicolegeerts.com/Home.html She's worked for 2 Fortune 500 companies in GR.

What are Mohr's qualifications besides 40 years sitting on various local boards and drilling teeth in his small practice?

FACTS ARE: Mohr is 73 yrs. old with one lung removed due to cancer during his term as trustee, and he's been a "good ole boy" for over 40 years. What makes him or his supporters think he is up to any kind of leadership even if he has the help of an expensive manager? Dale has contributed nothing to Georgetown in any of his previous terms in office (school board, county commission & trustee), and it will be the same this time if he is elected in Nov.

I say it's time for Dale to take a drink and retire to his rocking chair on his deck overlooking Crystal lake and watch the geese beside his flag in his usual denim shirt and baggy pants. Mohr is divisive NOT unifying as was proven by the way he handled the whole salary issue to his own advantage while ignoring the harm publicity would do to the community - in psych terms it's called narcissism. At Monday's board meeting, Mohr even admitted that he did not tie his $15,000 salary promise to hiring a manager until later in his campaign. Oh, and, the awards he & Carol brag about are for longevity - which means occupying a chair. Everyone gets those every 5 or 10 years.
Cujo

Ypsilanti, MI

#11 Sep 23, 2008
rlt wrote:
okay...so now Nicole Geerts wants the job and her sister is married to Bill Hollands son. Enough said ! I would not consider anyone who is remotely related to Bill Holland. We've had enough of his leadership. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.
Look who's managed all of the political manure! Another flashy, undermined attack by the Mohr Camp. Are you not capable of forming any personal political opinions of your own?
Cujo

Ypsilanti, MI

#12 Sep 23, 2008
I give her credit for HONESTY and TRUTH-- Something Dale Mohr has personally bankrupted in his own political race. I don't even think he understands the 'concept'.
crash

United States

#13 Sep 23, 2008
prince that's so cute of you 2 fortune 500 companies really which ones? Also her resume is very vague what has she done lately? This person wants to jump right up to CEO when they havnt even done any time in middle management (served on the board) sorry but we have already had one run with someone (holland) whom came in with no experience and vastly under qualified and what did mr holland do under perform and fluant his power. Prediction mrs geerts will get less than 5% of the vote
crash

United States

#14 Sep 23, 2008
Cujo wrote:
I give her credit for HONESTY and TRUTH-- Something Dale Mohr has personally bankrupted in his own political race. I don't even think he understands the 'concept'.
Isn't this an example of under handed attacks so weird u thought it's not nice when they attack NG but it's fine to toss mr mohr under the bus
Cujo

Ypsilanti, MI

#15 Sep 23, 2008
crash wrote:
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Isn't this an example of under handed attacks so weird u thought it's not nice when they attack NG but it's fine to toss mr mohr under the bus
Let's take note of the bus he crawled under himself: admission by Mr.Mohr that he misled the public, admits he is not qualified to run the Township, acceptance of $81,250 plus full benefits (well above his proposed $15,000), he is 73 yrs old w/ serious health challenges, hasn't been in the actual workforce for...let's say about 13+ years, before he retired he was only a part-time dentist/full-time politician, in all his years of service he has not accomplished one thing! What makes him so qualified?? He had his chance to be terrific, but failed miserably, so he has decided to make us pay for his quest for power and revenge.

Let's face it, he isn't going to be around to face, yet, another one of his political blunders. So, you see, honesty and integrity are obviously not personal qualities Mr.Mohr owns. If he did, he would resign, with apologies to the people he lied to and to the Board members he has smeared.
Princeston

Denver, CO

#16 Sep 23, 2008
hunter wrote:
It seems a little crazy that that the township supervisor earns more than the mayor of Grand Rapids.
FYI - GR mayor is a ceremonial city ambassador - part-time job. However, Hartwell tries very hard to make it look like he works full-time because he wants full-time pay. He has no management duties other than to chair the city commission just like any other mayor in any town, however Kimball sets the agenda and has the control. Hartwell has only 1 vote at the weekly city commission just like the other commissioners. That's how city & village governments are different than townships and charter townships which are usually run by elected supervisors who manage and oversee the government and all operations in the 36 sq. mile community. Sometimes residents petition their townships to hire a manager to take over most of the duties of the supervisor. When managers are hired, the supervisor then becomes nothing but a figure head (like a mayor) at the township boards with only one vote. At this point, don't you think $15,000 would be high pay for only 2-4 meetings/month and no required office hours?
short man

Denver, CO

#17 Sep 23, 2008
crash wrote:
prince that's so cute of you 2 fortune 500 companies really which ones? Also her resume is very vague what has she done lately? This person wants to jump right up to CEO when they havnt even done any time in middle management (served on the board) sorry but we have already had one run with someone (holland) whom came in with no experience and vastly under qualified and what did mr holland do under perform and fluant his power. Prediction mrs geerts will get less than 5% of the vote
Quit yer fishing Dale! Only you are capable of such continuous smearing unless you have a clone or have put Carol up to it again!
calling it like it is

Battle Creek, MI

#18 Sep 23, 2008
rlt wrote:
okay...so now Nicole Geerts wants the job and her sister is married to Bill Hollands son. Enough said ! I would not consider anyone who is remotely related to Bill Holland. We've had enough of his leadership. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.
the fact remains she is in the race for supervisor, and everyone who casts a vote owes it to him/herself to obtain all the information they can about each candidate so that an informed vote can be cast. those who cast a vote based upon emotion and not facts are worse than those who dont exercise their right to vote at all. be informed not ignorant when you go into the voting booth.
Seriously Though

Denver, CO

#19 Sep 23, 2008
short man wrote:
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Quit yer fishing Dale! Only you are capable of such continuous smearing unless you have a clone or have put Carol up to it again!
Okay, I did what was asked and went and looked at Nicole's website. I read what was available there, looking to learn more about her. Could she possibly be any more incredibly non-specific?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with Dale that he's NOT qualified to do the Supervisor's position as it's been done. When I compare him to Bill though, I think that only makes him honest about his skills. After all, Bill STILL thinks he's qualified, even after the primary voters said 'enough'.(Que Barry......err Cujo....attacking this post with stats on registered voters versus those who actually vote in primaries)

So let's turn to Nicole as a write in then. If she wants my vote though, I NEED specificity. Please Nicole, tell me what education & experience, SPECIFICALLY, you have that qulifies you to be a township supervisor....to lead a staff of dozens, to manage a multi-million dollar budget, to answer to tens of thousands of residents, and to advance Georgetown to all it's capable of. I LOVE this township and only want the best for it. Soooooo........if you're qualified, lay it out for us. Don't use generic terms and vague experiences........tell us what qualifies you! I'm eager here to cast my vote, now convince me! I may not be able to get you elected myself, but I could probably swing a few dozen votes your way if you truly have the qualifications. Most people I know, like me, just want to elect somebody to serve us who we feel is more qualified than ourselves to do the job. In the absence of that person, I'm happy to take the next best alternative, even if that means a Township Manager.
zelda

AOL

#20 Sep 23, 2008
Reason wrote:
I think the original plan is best...pay the supervisor a small salary and hire a professionally educated Township Manager to do the day to day things for teh township. This way politics are left out and you get an educated and qualified manager to move the township forward.
That idea frightens me. I think we have a good township and I and many others say "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Not only for the fact of the manager would only be responsible to the board and not to the people but also because more than likely we would only be a stepping stone for the individual. They would have no vested interest in our township. More than likely they would not even be from here. That is something I think that would be missed. They would have no personal stake here. Adding more government to the township or in most aspects of life is never a good thing.
I don't know Nicole Geerts but maybe it's worth looking into. Instead of putting her down we should all atleast give her a shot and look into her background to see if she is qualified. Although Dale Mohr publically admitted in the Advance Newspaper he is not qualified. So I guess what is there to lose?
hunter

Littleton, CO

#21 Sep 23, 2008
So, would Nicole be a supervisor with a manager, or without? It seems like she doesn't have enough/the right experience to run a township by herself. Has she been active in local politics before this?

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