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Almost everything about the case of the Jena 6 is a sad and troubling reminder of this nation's racially charged past and its still racially tense present.
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larry hannah

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Sep 21, 2007
 
do we have another case similar to the duke incident, be careful mr. prosecutor, you may be next
Gene

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Sep 21, 2007
 
So lynching White students is okay but punishing black students for doing it is wrong. What happened to do the crime do the time. Seems that blacks don't want to give up the "we are victims image". Lets see teh outcry if 6 whites beat up a black. People get real and take responsibility for your actions and stop crying over the past.
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Sep 21, 2007
 
Mycheel is such a good boy. He was just stickin up for his rights kickin that white trash in the head while he was unconscious. They don need to try him as an adult. He never do nothin wrong, cept those other two assaults, but they juvenile, they not spose to count.
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Sep 21, 2007
 
Another stupid article in an increasingly pathetic and irrelevant newspaper.

You're equating offensive but Constitutionally-protected behavior (the placement of a hanger's noose) with assault and battery.

Too many people in this country are living under the mistaken perception that the Constitution prtects them from being offended, or from having their feelings hurt. Guess what? It doesn't! And if your feelings are hurt, or if you are offended, you can't use that to justify assualt and battery.

I hope the "Jena 6" have the book thrown at them. I hope they're all punished for their illegal behavior, and end up in jail.

Good grief, I'm sick of this crap!
TheFacts

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Sep 21, 2007
 
This article leaves gaps in the story.

Before this fight between the black kids and that racist white kid there were more events other than the nooses. There was a situation of a white pulling a loaded shotgun on three black kids at a gas station and making threats. The white male was never charged, yet the black kids were charged with taking the white male's gun.

There's the incident of a black kid being jumped by a number of whites at a party, in which, one white broke a beer bottle over the black kids head and no one was charged with that attack.

People seem to forget that public schools are not private property they are property of the local governments, so it seems to me, that committing a hate crime on government property should be taken seriously.

The white kid from the fight that started this situation was and never has been any type of poster child. There are reports that he may have been involved in the group fight against that black kid. This kid instigated the fight with racial slurs and harassment and yet, the ignorant people in this ass backwards town really don't think they have a race problem.

I'm tired of seeing Jena whites complaining that "we have to do something, you can't just let people go around beating on others." Yeah, but it's ok as long as you're white beating/threatening/intimidati ng a black, it's inexcusable if it's reverse.
TheFacts

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Sep 21, 2007
 
Gene wrote:
So lynching White students is okay but punishing black students for doing it is wrong. What happened to do the crime do the time. Seems that blacks don't want to give up the "we are victims image". Lets see teh outcry if 6 whites beat up a black. People get real and take responsibility for your actions and stop crying over the past.
Do the crime do the time? So what about the hate crime charges for the little sickos that hung the nooses, or the punks that beat a black for coming to a predominantly white party, or for pulling a loaded weapon on three unarmed black kids at a gas station?

They committed palpable crimes without consequence. Jena is sending the message, "it's ok to break the law as long as you skin is pigment deficient."
TheFacts

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Sep 21, 2007
 
Melbourne_Bill wrote:
Mycheel is such a good boy. He was just stickin up for his rights kickin that white trash in the head while he was unconscious. They don need to try him as an adult. He never do nothin wrong, cept those other two assaults, but they juvenile, they not spose to count.
No one is sticking up for their actions, why don't you narrow-minded people get that? You are missing the point of the outrage.

No one said Bell was an angel, but you can damn well believe the little snot that got his butt kicked wasn't, either. Spewing hatred toward others for physical characteristics is something that kid is obviously learning at his home, in Jena, the city with no race relations problems. Right.
TheFacts

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Sep 21, 2007
 
Mr Reality wrote:
Another stupid article in an increasingly pathetic and irrelevant newspaper.
You're equating offensive but Constitutionally-protected behavior (the placement of a hanger's noose) with assault and battery.
Too many people in this country are living under the mistaken perception that the Constitution prtects them from being offended, or from having their feelings hurt. Guess what? It doesn't! And if your feelings are hurt, or if you are offended, you can't use that to justify assualt and battery.
I hope the "Jena 6" have the book thrown at them. I hope they're all punished for their illegal behavior, and end up in jail.
Good grief, I'm sick of this crap!
The Jena 6 should be in trouble for fighting, but "have the book thrown at them?" Because their brown-skinned?

So the crimes committed by the whites in this situation should forever be overlooked, right? Because they may get offended if they actually have to live up to their part in all this, right? The assault and battery, threats, and flagrant acts of intimidation that preceded this are all acceptable, right, because we'd never want to offend the other criminals because of what they look like, right? You're exempt from the law as long as you're the right hew?

You shouldn't speak until you have all the facts. None of the behavior, going all the way back to the beginning was ok, for either side - black or white - but there should be equal punishment for everyone.
TheFacts

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Sep 21, 2007
 
Gene wrote:
So lynching White students is okay but punishing black students for doing it is wrong. What happened to do the crime do the time. Seems that blacks don't want to give up the "we are victims image". Lets see teh outcry if 6 whites beat up a black. People get real and take responsibility for your actions and stop crying over the past.
Stop crying over the past? What's in the past? Inequality? Prejudice? Racism? I don't know what present day world you're living in, but wake up boo because nothing is in the past.

Glad you made this comment, "what if 6 whites beat up a black" because there was a group fight where whites beat up a black, but they were never charged. The situation was actually dismissed in Jena as, "boys being boys."

Yes, I will agree, everyone should be accountable for their actions, and I mean everyone. Black, white and everything in between.
TrueReality

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Sep 21, 2007
 
It's humorous how when things like this happen, mass numbers of bigoted whites will flood the Internet, with the protection of anonymity, and spew their utter disgust for other humans.

Honestly, there is no such thing as "races" everyone is a human. Just like other animals come in several varieties so do Homo sapiens.

Lightly complected people are no more human than darker people. If you're rushed to a hospital and need blood or an organ, it might come from a darker skinned person, why? I don't know maybe because we're all the same, and you'd never know but now you are part whatever "race" you're hating on. European-Americans spent four hundred years turning it into a, "if you're not like us you're inferior." How truly ridiculous.

I'm really embarrassed by my own race when I log on and see the nonsense people say, but it's not your fault that you're so irreversibly brainwashed; that's from centuries of masquerading myths as truths. "Blacks are all violent, primitive criminals, stay away from them." "All them dang illegals are here to hurt you, send them all back to Mexico."

That, my fellow Anglo, is called a "scare tactic." And as scare tactics go, only the mentally pliable amongst us fall for and perpetrate such absurdness.

Lack of intelligence (having a college degree or "book smarts" doesn't necessarily make you shrewd), invidiousness, and fear of something you don't truly understand are generally what breed the ignorance we see today.

How can you not see where they are coming from or why other "races" are so completely frustrated with us? My co-worker, "TheFacts,” is right, so much was left out of the story, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference to foolish masses.

The white kids should, as "Mr. Reality" -delusional- put it, "have the book thrown at them," also. Let's be fair.
TrueReality

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Sep 21, 2007
 
Gene wrote:
So lynching White students is okay but punishing black students for doing it is wrong. What happened to do the crime do the time. Seems that blacks don't want to give up the "we are victims image". Lets see teh outcry if 6 whites beat up a black. People get real and take responsibility for your actions and stop crying over the past.
Aww.."Gene" you are so obviously misguided. As I recall, the news did a super quick blurb on the 6 whites that tortured, raped, and humiliated a black woman they held captive for a week and admitted they were going to kill.

I'm outraged, as you should be, but there's already speculation that the 6, which consisted of 3 white women and 3 white men, will not get the most severe possible charges for this palpably grotesque crime.

The news won't cover it because it's not happening to one of our "cute white girls", just another "crying victim" as you fools have labeled them.
TrueReality

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Sep 21, 2007
 
Oh and I forgot to mention all six accused of raping and hurting that black woman (who spent several days in a hospital) have extremely lengthy criminal records (one has an murder charge), but that shouldn't matter right? Because there white like you and me, they'll probably just get more probation and be free to harm someone, but 6 kids in Jena involved in a school fight that resulted in one kid, that wasn't all that nice to begin with, going to the hospital and then promptly attending a party to get smashed later that night. That's what I call justice (note the facetiousness).
Keep the Peace

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Sep 21, 2007
 
I can see people at our company aren't getting much done today. I just got the email about this story and it's my turn to sound off.

What happened in Jena is a gross manipulation of the judicial system to service the egos and a bigoted community. How can the actually citizens of Jena admit to living in a segregated city and in the same breathe say there is no race problem.

A white tree? Irrefragable proof of the lack of social progression in the South. It's actually disturbing and should worry everyone of every color.
Louis Hopson

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Sep 21, 2007
 
I agree
True2Rosa

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Sep 21, 2007
 
I knew Rosa Parks. I loved Rosa Parks. And Mychal Bell (the ring-leader of the Jena 6) who has become the cause celebre for the same crowd that was last spotted at Duke University extolling the virtues of a conniving stripper who tried to ruin the lives of three young men is no Rosa Parks.

Before anyone gets too carried away by trying to excuse the Jena 6’s violent acts as a legitimate response to the repulsive display of hangman nooses on a tree, lets’ go over the facts that the national media as been negligent in pointing out in their efforts to make a story out of this tragic event:

(1) Mychal Bell cowardly attacked his fellow student from behind, immediately knocking his victim unconscious. Once their victim had been rendered defenseless, the remaining five members of the Jena 6 joined Bell in stomping and kicking their unconscious victim repeatedly.

(2) Perhaps even worse, some members of the Jena 6 reportedly tried to block teachers from coming to the aid of their victim as they continued to pummel their unconscious and defenseless victim.

(3) This vicious attack took place three months after the display of the nooses, clearly sufficient time for any of us who would be equally outraged by the cruelty of such a display to cool down and consider a more appropriate response to this event than trying to stomp someone to death.

(4) This wasn’t the first time Mychal Bell resorted to violence to express himself. Whatever break this kid deserved for his first violent offense was long past allotted.

I agree that reasonable minds might differ as to whether or not this case justified the charges of attempted murder. The prosecutor was clearly torn by his decision of what charges were the most appropriate under these circumstances. But if it was your child lying on the ground in a defenseless state while six near-adults were stomping him to death, I don’t think you’d be arguing that a charge of attempted murder was way out-of-line.

Free the Jena 6? Why, so we can teach our youth that violence is an acceptable response to injustices that we all face in life (black or white)? Martin Luther King—who everyone seems a little too eager to forget deplored ALL forms of violence—will be rolling over in his grave. And the truly noble spirit of Rosa Parks will be forever stained if we allow hypocrites like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to link her to these six cowards.
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Sep 22, 2007
 
Mr Reality wrote:
Another stupid article in an increasingly pathetic and irrelevant newspaper.
You're equating offensive but Constitutionally-protected behavior (the placement of a hanger's noose) with assault and battery.
Too many people in this country are living under the mistaken perception that the Constitution prtects them from being offended, or from having their feelings hurt. Guess what? It doesn't! And if your feelings are hurt, or if you are offended, you can't use that to justify assualt and battery.
I hope the "Jena 6" have the book thrown at them. I hope they're all punished for their illegal behavior, and end up in jail.
Good grief, I'm sick of this crap!
yeah if the da would not have overchaged these dudes and put some charges on the whites also i,m sure this would not have gotten out of hand the same guys[da] lets serious thugs terrorize black neighborhoods by not hitting them in the head when it is black on black.this is a case of uneven justice
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Sep 22, 2007
 
TrueReality wrote:
It's humorous how when things like this happen, mass numbers of bigoted whites will flood the Internet, with the protection of anonymity, and spew their utter disgust for other humans.
Honestly, there is no such thing as "races" everyone is a human. Just like other animals come in several varieties so do Homo sapiens.
Lightly complected people are no more human than darker people. If you're rushed to a hospital and need blood or an organ, it might come from a darker skinned person, why? I don't know maybe because we're all the same, and you'd never know but now you are part whatever "race" you're hating on. European-Americans spent four hundred years turning it into a, "if you're not like us you're inferior." How truly ridiculous.
I'm really embarrassed by my own race when I log on and see the nonsense people say, but it's not your fault that you're so irreversibly brainwashed; that's from centuries of masquerading myths as truths. "Blacks are all violent, primitive criminals, stay away from them." "All them dang illegals are here to hurt you, send them all back to Mexico."
That, my fellow Anglo, is called a "scare tactic." And as scare tactics go, only the mentally pliable amongst us fall for and perpetrate such absurdness.
Lack of intelligence (having a college degree or "book smarts" doesn't necessarily make you shrewd), invidiousness, and fear of something you don't truly understand are generally what breed the ignorance we see today.
How can you not see where they are coming from or why other "races" are so completely frustrated with us? My co-worker, "TheFacts,” is right, so much was left out of the story, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference to foolish masses.
The white kids should, as "Mr. Reality" -delusional- put it, "have the book thrown at them," also. Let's be fair.
With all due respect, I can agree with some of what you stated...but...the part where you said: "mass numbers of bigoted whites will flood the Internet, with the protection of anonymity, and spew their utter disgust for other humans." is an incomplete statement if you really what to be "fair". I've read many of the statements on topix and they do not just reflect statements from bigoted whites. They include statements from bigoted people...not just white people. There are just as many negative and racist posts from everyone regardless of the color of their skin. It's not one-sided.
Ranya Bardiwell

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Sep 22, 2007
 
- Jena does have racial problems. Jena does have bigotry and prejudice, just like every other town in America, perhaps even worse than some. If there were no racial problems, there would have been no nooses hung from a tree. There would not be one white student beaten and six black students charged with attempted second-degree murder. The local ministers would not have hurriedly called a meeting to deal with the issue. The cameras of the world would not have focused their lenses on Jena.
- The actions of the three white students who hung the nooses (on a tree at the high school) demonstrate prejudice and bigotry. However, they were not just given “two days suspension” as reported by national news agencies. After first being expelled, then upon appeal, being allowed to re-enter the school system, they were sent to an alternative school, off-campus, for an extended period of time. They underwent investigations by Federal and Sate authorities. They were given psychological evaluations. Even when they were eventually allowed back on campus they were not allowed to be a part of the general population for weeks.
- There was no “fight” on December 4, 2006 at Jena High School, as the national media continues to characterize the event in question. Six students attacked a single student who was immediately knocked unconscious. According to sworn testimony, they stomped him, as he lay “lifeless” upon the ground.
Ranya Bardiwell

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Sep 22, 2007
 
...continued....
- Justin Barker, the white student attacked, was not the first white student targeted by these black students. Others had been informed they were going to be beaten, but stayed away from school and out of sight until they felt safe.
- CNN reported that there were “obviously no witnesses to the fight.” In fact, over thirty eyewitnesses, students and teachers, were questioned immediately following the attack, all of who implicated one or more of the black students arrested in the case. In fact, some of the accused black students did not stop stomping Barker until they were pulled away from him by some of the teachers, according to testimony given in the trial of Mychal Bell.
- The media continues to make the point that Justin Barker “attended a party” later that evening, insinuating that his injuries were not very severe. The Barkers, by no means a wealthy family, face medical bills already over $12,000 from the emergency room visit. Imagine what an overnight visit would have cost. Justin Barker was advised to remain hospitalized but decided he would not let the event keep him from participating in the once-in-a-lifetime, traditional Ring Ceremony at First Baptist Church in Jena, where class rings are presented to the upcoming senior class.
- The fight on December 4 was unrelated to the noose incident, or any other incident that occurred earlier in Jena that week. The media keeps reporting otherwise. There are three different boys named “Justin” involved in three different events that the media have morphed into the “Justin” who was attacked on December 4:
A. A juvenile named Justin, whose name was not released to the media, was one of the boys who hung nooses from the trees in September.
B. Three months later, Justin Sloan, not a student at Jena High, fought with one of the black students, Robert Baily, at the fair barn when a couple of black students tried to enter a private party. The next evening, at “Gotta Go” store, Justin Sloan and Robert Baily confronted one another in the parking lot. There were two other black students with Baily. As they ran towards Sloan, Sloan rushed to his truck to get a shotgun, which the black boys wrestled from him and fled.
C. On December 4, six black students at Jena High School attacked Justin Barker, who is neither of the previously mentioned young men.
- The speech given by [District Attorney] Reed Walters that included the now infamous statement “I can end your life with the stroke of a pen” was not given to a group of black students. It was given during a speech to the entire student body in an assembly called by the school’s principal to calm a community that was pulling their children out of school because there were two fights one day with racial overtones. Two girls, one white and one black fought. Another student was taken to the emergency room to receive stitches.
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....continued.....
- The national news media has not mentioned a single time that there was an FBI investigation into the hanging of the nooses and the conduct of Reed Walters that concluded there was no criminal activity or “hate crime” involved. The report is available to the media, along with court records and sworn testimony, none of which has been reported.
- It has been reported that the school has two standards of justice since white students who attacked a black student were not treated as the black students who attacked a white student. No group of white students attacked a black student at Jena High School. Fights that have occurred have always been handled equally. This was not a fight. This process was taken out of the hands of school officials when the ambulance was called to bring Justin Barker to the hospital for the attack. Both the appearance of the ambulance and Barker’s visit to the emergency room requires an investigation by law enforcement.
- The “Jena Six” have repeatedly been held up as heroes by much of the race-based community and called “innocent students” by the national media. Some of these students have reputations in Jena for intimidating and sometimes beating other students. They have vandalized and destroyed both school property and community property. Some of the Jena Six have been involved in crimes not only in LaSalle Parish but also in surrounding parishes. For the most part, coaches and other adults have prevented them from being held accountable for the reign of terror they have presided over in Jena. Despite intervention by adults wanting to give them chances due their athletic potential, most of the Jena Six have extensive juvenile records. Yet their parents keep insisting that their children have never been in trouble before. These boys did not receive prejudicial treatment but received preferential treatment until things got out of hand.
- The entire black community of Jena is not being heard in this controversy, just the parents, relatives, and close friends of the Jena Six. The black community of Jena has not been involved in the protests and demonstrations called by national race-based organizations. Some state and national race crusaders have chastised them for not “rising up” with the parents to force law enforcement to “free the Jena Six.” Many do agree that the charges seem wrong, but they also know the criminal history of the boys referred to as the “Jena Six.” It is their neighborhood these boys have terrorized. Not even all of the parents claim that these boys should be set free with no consequence for their actions. One of the parents was interviewed, saying that the boys should suffer the fair punishment for their actions. He suggested that simple battery would be an acceptable charge. With one exception, the local black pastors do not support the demonstrations. They have been openly criticized for their lack of cooperation with the national race crusaders. One of them counseled the “Jena Six” families to not stir controversy for controversy’s sake. The black pastor was openly condemned by a local radio personality sympathetic to the cause of the black parents. The rhetoric grew so intense that the black pastor was referred to as Reed Walter’s “house Negro” on the local radio talk show. The pastor is consistently accused on this show of working in cooperation with Reed Walters in a plot to undermine the “Jena Six.”

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