Jemez Pueblo wants land in Pecos Canyon

Jemez Pueblo wants land in Pecos Canyon

There are 55 comments on the KOB.com Eyewitness News 4 - New Mexico story from May 23, 2008, titled Jemez Pueblo wants land in Pecos Canyon. In it, KOB.com Eyewitness News 4 - New Mexico reports that:

The governor of Jemez Pueblo says the pueblo wants 70 acres along the Pecos River where many campsites are located.

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RRIVERA

Santa Fe, NM

#1 May 23, 2008
It's all about making money, the Pecos Canyon and most of the areas for fishing are already fenced off. Why don't you just close the whole area if your trying to protect it. oh! I forgot you need to make some money off it. Why did it become cultural significant now, what took them so long? Greed!
Sluggo

Albuquerque, NM

#2 May 23, 2008
"Chinana says the pueblo wouldn’t necessarily prohibit camping if it owned the land."

In fact, it would encourage people to visit its planned 120 room campsite and casino often.

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#3 May 24, 2008
Let's not get stuck on stupid here. The Jemez "it's holy land" baloney should never ever be used again in this state to give land back to the Native Americans. The concept that "it used to be our land" is fraudulent. Just because they lived in this region prior to Americans moving in and taking it over does not give them claim to the land. They themselves admit to never having a concept of "ownership" anyway. Besides that, giving anyone free multi-million dollar land grants because they find a pottery shard on the ground or a drawing on a cave is ludicrous.

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#4 May 24, 2008
We apologize for our often cruel methods of taking over the US continent. However, since the beginning of time people have conquered other people and land. We invite you to live among us in peace and prosper as your ability allows you. Giving you ownership to huge pieces of land because you say "it's sacred" is just stupid.

This should stir it up

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#5 May 24, 2008
ya know..I am not up to date on indian affairs, but from the outside looking in...it appears the indians get alot of benefits, and breaks that us plain old americans do not get. why is that?
greg varela

Simi Valley, CA

#6 May 24, 2008
Boy what a way to get land free for another casino dont we have enough already? as for sacred land I think all land is sacret for all humanity remember god helps those who help themselves if it helps all.
GOOD GRIEF

AOL

#7 May 24, 2008
Here we go again! Remember about 20 years ago when the Sandia Pueblo claimed the Sandia Mountain, including North Sandia Heights, was theirs because of the centuries they used it for sacred ceremonies? Of course that blew up in their faces when reminded they were relocated here from Arizona in the 20's or 30's.

Next they wanted to own the area of the Rio Grande River that separates their land from Corrales because they use it for their sacred baptizing. The pueblo is Catholic & since when did they start useing submersion in their baptisms? Never!

Land grabs by any other name is just that...a land grab. Say NO Governor Richardson!

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#8 May 24, 2008
Daniel in Hobbs wrote:
ya know..I am not up to date on indian affairs, but from the outside looking in...it appears the indians get alot of benefits, and breaks that us plain old americans do not get. why is that?
Because the Tribes have been around for a few thousand years before the U.S. was founded and the Tribes have not given up their rights.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#9 May 24, 2008
Casino? Perhaps. But it has been a well kept secret that there is a very rich ore body at depth in that area. You may recall the old sulfide mines at Terrero, you can still find pyrite and galena out there. But the un-mined ore body is deeper and richer. Shhh, it's supposed to be a secret.

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#10 May 24, 2008
greg varela wrote:
Boy what a way to get land free for another casino dont we have enough already? as for sacred land I think all land is sacret for all humanity remember god helps those who help themselves if it helps all.
Nobody ever claimed that that area would be developed for a casino.

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#11 May 24, 2008
GOOD GRIEF wrote:
Here we go again! Remember about 20 years ago when the Sandia Pueblo claimed the Sandia Mountain, including North Sandia Heights, was theirs because of the centuries they used it for sacred ceremonies? Of course that blew up in their faces when reminded they were relocated here from Arizona in the 20's or 30's.
Next they wanted to own the area of the Rio Grande River that separates their land from Corrales because they use it for their sacred baptizing. The pueblo is Catholic & since when did they start useing submersion in their baptisms? Never!
Land grabs by any other name is just that...a land grab. Say NO Governor Richardson!
Sandia Pueblo has that land back. So how did it blow up in their faces?

The Pueblos have long used the rivers in our traditional religion- long before Christianity was founded. Many Pueblos practice both Catholicism & traditional religion. Why should anyone care what anyone's faith is or how it's practiced? But for some reason non-natives have issues on when, where, how & why natives exercise their religious rights. Why is that?
greg varela

Simi Valley, CA

#12 May 24, 2008
good grief what happened to reality??when greed rears its head its hard to see.

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#13 May 24, 2008
Oyegi Thamu wrote:
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Because the Tribes have been around for a few thousand years before the U.S. was founded and the Tribes have not given up their rights.
i don't see the revelance...they were conquered by a vastly superior force....they surrendered...now they should be assimilated into american society, with the same rights all americans have..no more..no less...

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#14 May 24, 2008
Daniel in Hobbs wrote:
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i don't see the revelance...they were conquered by a vastly superior force....they surrendered...now they should be assimilated into american society, with the same rights all americans have..no more..no less...
Grab a history book. In 1680 the Pueblos were the only Tribes to drive-out the Europeans. Tribes exist as seperate governments within the U.S. because of the U.S. Constitution and various treaties, such as the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Tribal governments have been around long before the Spanish, Mexican & U.S. governments claimed authority and they'll probably be around long after the U.S. government falls. And by the way, we do have the same rights as any other American.
Concerned 4 RIghts

Tucson, AZ

#15 May 24, 2008
All of s Sudden JEMEZ wants to build CASINOS, elsewhere?...WHY????...because they couldn't do it down South, so why not, move North?...HAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry but if this Fails, whats next?
Jim E

Mcnary, AZ

#16 May 24, 2008
Fasthike wrote:
We apologize for our often cruel methods of taking over the US continent. However, since the beginning of time people have conquered other people and land. We invite you to live among us in peace and prosper as your ability allows you. Giving you ownership to huge pieces of land because you say "it's sacred" is just stupid.
This should stir it up
Good work lol (-:

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#17 May 24, 2008
Oyegi Thamu wrote:
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Grab a history book. In 1680 the Pueblos were the only Tribes to drive-out the Europeans. Tribes exist as seperate governments within the U.S. because of the U.S. Constitution and various treaties, such as the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
Tribal governments have been around long before the Spanish, Mexican & U.S. governments claimed authority and they'll probably be around long after the U.S. government falls. And by the way, we do have the same rights as any other American.
maybe its time to renegotiate the "treaties"...like we need treaties anymore...what are the pueblos gonna do?....attack us?...why can't they just be happy being americans?

Since: Feb 08

Albuquerque, NM

#18 May 24, 2008
Daniel in Hobbs wrote:
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maybe its time to renegotiate the "treaties"...like we need treaties anymore...what are the pueblos gonna do?....attack us?...why can't they just be happy being americans?
Why should we renegotiate? What are you gonna do... attack us? Why can't you just be happy that we're Americans that have a different set of beliefs?

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#19 May 25, 2008
Oyegi Thamu wrote:
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Why should we renegotiate? What are you gonna do... attack us? Why can't you just be happy that we're Americans that have a different set of beliefs?
I suppose I really need to be better educated on this issue/subject, cause I really don't know much about the treaties, benefits, the apparently unequal rights that indians have over american citizens....etc...
EnoughIsEnought

Rio Rancho, NM

#20 May 25, 2008
What has to be done is to get rid of the "Sovereign Nation" BS!

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