It Could Be A Long, Cold Winter For Some County Residents

Sep 29, 2011 | Posted by: Tinker88 | Full story: www.mpcourier.com

People who depend on the Home Energy Assistance Program might want to put on a sweater and turn down the thermostat.

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High paid bureaucrats again cutting from the bottom. Cut their salaries to help fund the HEAP program. They have severely cut government funding for housing repairs and now will cut HEAP ? People will freeze to death, namely senior citizens on fixed incomes and in the meantime, fuel prices keep rising. Again, next to zero economic development is not helping matters. They wonder why people move away.
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Sep 30, 2011
 
If they eliminated the position of deputy commissioner in st. lawrence county the savings could benefit the heap program, think about it.

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Unfortunately, it's a federal program so cutting at the local level will not help the cause. The upper level state officials seem to be sucking the life out of the North Country. Albany is getting greedy and the Governor is like scrooge mcduck piling the states gold in Albany. People need to start packing up and moving away from NYS at least they will get more for their tax dollars and the quality of life would be a lot better.
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Oct 2, 2011
 
It is supposed to be a frigid winter. What are they going to do let people freeze to death?
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Oct 2, 2011
 
They start cutting it from the top to push responsibility to the next level down. Then they wash their hands of it and claim it was not their responsibility if things go wrong. Right now, it seems like they want charities to pick up all the slack, which is unrealistic.

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Oct 2, 2011
 
The state has 1 BILLION dollars up for grabs for Economic Development. The state could easily kick in another 1.5 million into the HEAP program. Entitlement MY ASS. People are poor in this region. What will happen is people will not be able to pay the gas bills or electric bills and there will be more house fires because of electric heaters and ovens left on and those people will be looking to Canton to pay these bills. MED, Nat Grid and SLG will also suffer over this. I hope Andy is going to take this into consideration when they have to buy power off the open market during the winter. Watch for MED rates to go up too because of this. What the heck are they thinking in Albany?!?!?!?!?!
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Oct 4, 2011
 
I'm ok with the cuts if they were absolutely necessary, and I'll explain why. I will qualify my position by stating that I do believe that both state and federal governments are run like rich kids with daddy's credit cards-no one cares how big the bill gets. An entrepreneur would most definitely work towards leaning out with the perspective that the entire process needs examination. The answer is not just to start cutting funding here or there. These idiots obviously know nothing about maximizing the efficiency of a dollar.

I fully support philanthropic acts by the local community and organizations, but this is not Russia. I feel the government has no business taking general tax dollars to support the poor. That should be the job of the county those people reside in, if such program existed. That's where family, friends, church, whatever would come in and make it happen out of necessity.

It might sound callous but from an objective standpoint people do not effect changes like these unless they are absolutely necessary. If this generation as well as future ones feel that a lack of ambition, or prudent personal financial planning will simply get rewarded by having some governmental program foot the bill on everyone else, we will all eventually suffer.

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Oct 4, 2011
 
There is not enough pressure on all of the economic development organizations.

DANC
RVRDA
IDA
GMBDC

and other municipal ED groups.

Without increasing the population through creating jobs and bringing in business and redeveloping communities, the problems will only get worse. Talking about cutting jobs through attrition is nonsense. We should be moving forward and putting people to work so they do not have to depend on state and federal programs. HEAP was/is funded by cheap low cost oil from Venezuela. It's a federal program that is regulated by the state. Is the state funneling HEAP money to other places? Maybe. How can people effect change in a stagnant community? There is nothing thriving in the county. People are leaving and that makes it tougher on the remaining taxpayers to cover the deficit. The Economic Development groups are not getting enough pressure put on them to make things happen. I like your post by the way. People are stuck like chuck waiting for things to get better and all they get is more of the same which is nothing. The many tax funded programs to bring in jobs and redevelop communities are failing miserably.
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Oct 13, 2011
 
Hmmm

Since: Dec 09

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Oct 14, 2011
 
Hopefully Sen. Schumer will be able to get funding restored.
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I know that there is a problem with perfectly employable people sitting on their rear ends and collecting welfare. I think I recall reading at one point that there are record numbers of welfare recipients these days. The programs designed to help the needy are being drained by lazy system suckers. Meanwhile, people that do work are being forced to go without food and basic hygiene products because they fall through cracks in the system. I work 40 hours a week, but my paycheck just pays my rent and electricity bills. I have enough to fill my gas tank, and maybe pick up $20 or $30 of groceries. I'm better off than some. We make too much money to qualify for food stamps, but we don't make enough to feed our families nutritious meals. I was relying on HEAP to help heat my home this winter, but I'm seriously doubting I'll get any help now. Meanwhile, the people in the apartment next door are in their early twenties, collecting Social Security for a made up mental illness, getting hundreds of dollars a month in food stamps and public assistance, and they're not worried about keeping their kids warm and fed this winter.
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I think this program needs to be reformed rather than being cut.

I've heard a few stories about people selling the fuel oil paid for by HEAP. I've even seen people advertise it on craigslist. They siphon it out of the tank and sell it for way cheaper than it costs.

I've heard where HEAP paid for firewood for a guy and he sold it back to the guy delivering the wood.

There needs to be some checks and balances, not just checks.

Since: Dec 09

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Oct 15, 2011
 
Turd Ferguson wrote:
I think this program needs to be reformed rather than being cut.
I've heard a few stories about people selling the fuel oil paid for by HEAP. I've even seen people advertise it on craigslist. They siphon it out of the tank and sell it for way cheaper than it costs.
I've heard where HEAP paid for firewood for a guy and he sold it back to the guy delivering the wood.
There needs to be some checks and balances, not just checks.
Exactly. They should cut wood right out of the program. People that get fuel oil should have locks put on by the fuel company and tamper proof seals at the copper lines. There is nobody that goes around and checks to make sure heap funds are not being abused. You hit the nail head on Turd.
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Oct 15, 2011
 
You are right, it is unfortunate it has come to that. There are too any people taking advantage of a needed worthwhile program and are ruining it for people who legitimately need it.
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Oct 15, 2011
 
Yep
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Oct 17, 2011
 
I don't believe in the program, sorry. Live within your budget. That's it. No one wants to live in a small apartment, but hey, if you have to, so be it. I have been there. Did what I had to. Worked hard and built myself up. Then again, I don't believe in welfare or food stamps either. I believe in social security totally dependant on what you put in. You don't put into the system you don't get anything. We created a nation of entitlement. You are not entitled to a living. You are entitled to have the opportunity to work hard and make a living. You have extremely disabled people working hard counting bottles, working at Good Will stores, etc....what's everyone elses excuse?
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Oct 17, 2011
 
Turd Ferguson wrote:
I think this program needs to be reformed rather than being cut.
I've heard a few stories about people selling the fuel oil paid for by HEAP. I've even seen people advertise it on craigslist. They siphon it out of the tank and sell it for way cheaper than it costs.
I've heard where HEAP paid for firewood for a guy and he sold it back to the guy delivering the wood.
There needs to be some checks and balances, not just checks.
politicians are corrupt so if you can screw the System I say good for you. We live in a corrupt society thats just the way it is

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Oct 17, 2011
 
Hunter wrote:
I don't believe in the program, sorry. Live within your budget. That's it. No one wants to live in a small apartment, but hey, if you have to, so be it. I have been there. Did what I had to. Worked hard and built myself up. Then again, I don't believe in welfare or food stamps either. I believe in social security totally dependant on what you put in. You don't put into the system you don't get anything. We created a nation of entitlement. You are not entitled to a living. You are entitled to have the opportunity to work hard and make a living. You have extremely disabled people working hard counting bottles, working at Good Will stores, etc....what's everyone elses excuse?
I have lost a little respect for you after reading this. People that count bottles from ARC get SSD. Most of them live in HUD housing if not at home with their parents. People should be entitled to have the opportunity to have a job. Where are all these people supposed to work? Tell me? Hate to knock you off your soap box old man but things are not the way they used to be.
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Oct 17, 2011
 
People who don't need help ruined it for people that do. Too many assistance programs. A little limited help is one thing. Banking on getting HEAP help is another. Scale it down, police it better.

Since: Dec 09

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Oct 17, 2011
 
Hunter wrote:
People who don't need help ruined it for people that do. Too many assistance programs. A little limited help is one thing. Banking on getting HEAP help is another. Scale it down, police it better.
That's the hunter I respect a lot. True some have ruined it for others but there are a lot of seniors too who are on fixed incomes who rely on it. When my kids were little I worked 3 jobs, Super Duper, Fashion Bug and Radio Shack for a year or so. Then I got better opportunities and my spouse at the time didn't work and I had one playing hockey and somehow we managed without assistance. We got behind sometimes but it all worked out. Wood shouldn't be allowed on the program. The firewood guys make a bundle and not one stick goes on the truck to be delivered and cash pay the recipient. I agree with you there is a lot of abuse but I don't want to read in the paper how a family is burned out using the stove to heat their home or children die in a fire or people freezing to death in Jan or Feb. that are on fixed incomes.

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