Obama could not have saved Janesville GM plant. It closed before he took office.

Aug 30, 2012 Full story: www.washingtonpost.com 34

Last night Paul Ryan said that Obama failed to save a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

Many outlets — including Wonkblog — said that was a lie. But some conservatives have tried to salvage the claim. Jonathan Adler of the National Review asks, “What was ‘false’ in Ryan’s statement? Was Janesvile ‘about to lose’ the factory at the time of the election? Yes. Did Obama fail to prevent this as he had promised? Yes.”

Let’s break down, then, the exact chronology of the Janesville plant closing; Conn Carroll of the Washington Examiner has helpfully posted one here, which I add to below. The basic takeaway, however, is this: by December 2008, the plant had reached a point of no return where the plant would be shut down regardless of federal action. Ryan was faulting Obama for an that was event that was inevitable over a month before he took office.

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Since: Mar 11

Rockin' USA ;)

#24 Aug 30, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
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teabooger jobs bills since the teabooger '10 'revolution': 0
teabooger accomplishment since the teabooger '10' revolution': Downgraded The U.S. AAA rating.
Personally, I think our AAA rating had deflated when we started borrowing from China to keep our daily budget in check..INSTEAD of creating jobs and having our American companies search for a cheap country to move their manufacturing businesses to..cuz the taxes placed upon them were too steep. ALOT could have been saved..but Nooooo, it's easier to go the easy route THAN try to work it out..
Pinot

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#25 Aug 30, 2012
Msnbc is doing their best to steer clear of any humanizing Romney speakers. They're marvelously predictable.

One of the best moments came from a hyperventilating Madcow when one of the speakers talked about Obamas history of supporting post birth right to choose. She called it "infanticide" with a gasp. Rachel you dumb cow, that's what we've been trying to tell you for years. Thanks for bringing it up.

To some producers credit, someone must have shouted in her earpiece to shut up, because it was true, since she didn't mention it again (at least while I was watching)
Two faced Barack

Anonymous Proxy

#26 Aug 30, 2012
PooPoo Platter wrote:
Ryan got caught lyin'!
This article is caught lyin' about Ryan lyin'!

CNN reports:

"December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. MEDIUM TRUCK PRODUCTION CONTINUES.

April 23, 2009: The plant's medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.

GM then put the plant on standby, meaning it could reactivate the facility if it decides it needs to ramp up production.

Now, compare Ryan's Wednesday night statement with the one he gave on August 16. On Wednesday, Ryan said nothing of Obama making a promise, but rather quoted him.

The quote is truncated (in Ryan's prepared remarks released to the media, an ellipsis replaces the missing words, "give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition") but essentially is CORRECT."

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/pol-fa...

Since: Mar 10

Huntington Station, NY

#28 Aug 30, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
teabooger jobs bills since the teabooger '10 'revolution': 0
teabooger accomplishment since the teabooger '10' revolution': Downgraded The U.S. AAA rating.
Ann works more than barack the gourmet golf campaigner.
Cat74

Carpentersville, IL

#30 Aug 30, 2012
But don't you remember? The Promiser in Chief told us he would see that plant stayed open for 100 years. He couldn't do anything with it. There has been so many lies by the people in this Administration that we lost faith in our wonderful country. Today we got that challenge back, we can do this. We can make this country the exceptional country she has always been. I am so proud.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#31 Aug 30, 2012
That wasn't my fault, its Bush's fault!-Obama
Cat74

Carpentersville, IL

#32 Aug 31, 2012
No that we are exceptional, ready to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get to the work that has to now be done to save America from the same problems of Greece, and the rest of Europe, that is Bush's fault!!!
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#33 Aug 31, 2012
Attention,all Liberals/Marxists/Communists

"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

Obama helped fund 'Alinsky Academy': "The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy.... Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization....'Midwest describes itself as 'one of the nation's oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.'... Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing."

Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.... Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

"Obama is also an Alinskyite.... Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.... Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer." (By Richard Poe).

HOPE Y,ALL FEEL GOOD,ABOUT WHO YOU VOTED IN?
SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC,AND
ALL THE OTHER TALK SHOWS,COMEDIANS,AND LEFT
WING LOONIES,THEY "GOTCHA'!!
Cat74

Schaumburg, IL

#34 Aug 31, 2012
Of course Obama could have saved the Janesville plant. He sent billions of dollars to Finland to save their automotive industry. He spent billions of dollars on failed energy companies. Yes, he could have saved the Janesville plant.
Razors Edge

Oak Lawn, IL

#36 Aug 31, 2012
TYPO REPRESS..............
BO Workday 10 to 4

Phoenix, AZ

#37 Sep 1, 2012
Cat74 wrote:
Of course Obama could have saved the Janesville plant. He sent billions of dollars to Finland to save their automotive industry. He spent billions of dollars on failed energy companies. Yes, he could have saved the Janesville plant.
"He sent billions of dollars to Finland to save their automotive industry. He spent billions of dollars on failed energy companies."

Indeed he could have saved the Janesville plant, as Ryan said.

Obama's divisive attack on the rich harms opportunity for all Americans, black, white, hispanic, college graduates and children. If businesses fail, and there are no jobs, Obama shills don't realize that there will be no one to pay for their insurance. The rich won't pay because they are out of business too. Will Obama and his cronies pay? Fat chance, they all have waivers. LOL. He gives himself a waiver from Obamacare. He gives unions a waiver. THAT SAYS IT ALL. Obamacare is a piece of junk.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#39 Sep 4, 2012
Clinton to Kennedy "In the past this Obama guy would have been carry'ing our bags"

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Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#40 Sep 4, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
Attention,all Liberals/Marxists/Communists
"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky
Obama helped fund 'Alinsky Academy': "The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy.... Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization....'Midwest describes itself as 'one of the nation's oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.'... Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing."
Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.... Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.
"Obama is also an Alinskyite.... Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.... Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer." (By Richard Poe).
HOPE Y,ALL FEEL GOOD,ABOUT WHO YOU VOTED IN?
SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO CBS,ABC,NBC,MSNBC,AND
ALL THE OTHER TALK SHOWS,COMEDIANS,AND LEFT
WING LOONIES,THEY "GOTCHA'!!
Why are so many of you crazies attracted to Romney?

Is it your racism, or are you masochistic?
Cat74

United States

#42 Sep 4, 2012
Oh no, now Obama is losing even the women's vote, and his popularity is down 7 points since April. He is going to lose this election.

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