Obama could not have saved Janesville...

Obama could not have saved Janesville GM plant. It closed before he took office.

There are 34 comments on the www.washingtonpost.com story from Aug 30, 2012, titled Obama could not have saved Janesville GM plant. It closed before he took office.. In it, www.washingtonpost.com reports that:

Last night Paul Ryan said that Obama failed to save a GM plant in Janesville, Wis.

Many outlets — including Wonkblog — said that was a lie. But some conservatives have tried to salvage the claim. Jonathan Adler of the National Review asks, “What was ‘false’ in Ryan’s statement? Was Janesvile ‘about to lose’ the factory at the time of the election? Yes. Did Obama fail to prevent this as he had promised? Yes.”

Let’s break down, then, the exact chronology of the Janesville plant closing; Conn Carroll of the Washington Examiner has helpfully posted one here, which I add to below. The basic takeaway, however, is this: by December 2008, the plant had reached a point of no return where the plant would be shut down regardless of federal action. Ryan was faulting Obama for an that was event that was inevitable over a month before he took office.

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xnutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#1 Aug 30, 2012
The plant totally closed down in April 2009 but the shutdown was in the works for over a year.
Lance Winslow

San Jose, CA

#2 Aug 30, 2012
xnutmegger wrote:
The plant totally closed down in April 2009 but the shutdown was in the works for over a year.
Kinda like the Bush economy.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#4 Aug 30, 2012
conservative crapola

Orefield, PA

#5 Aug 30, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
vinnie alibaba spam.
Eli

Germany

#6 Aug 30, 2012
when romney and ryan would be president and his VP, it will be not the only one plant closed, it will be mass bancruptcy.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#7 Aug 30, 2012
Consumer confidence lowest in nine months The O must go!!!
robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#8 Aug 30, 2012
I wonder what would have happened if Obama had taken all those billions he spent saving the union at gm and saved small businesses who could not get credit to get through bad times instead where would we be, GM would have still been around under new ownership after the bankruptcy, probably with a non union shop and an affordable payroll.
Lance Winslow

San Jose, CA

#9 Aug 30, 2012
robert wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if Obama had taken all those billions he spent saving the union at gm and saved small businesses who could not get credit to get through bad times instead where would we be, GM would have still been around under new ownership after the bankruptcy, probably with a non union shop and an affordable payroll.
That's about what we spent on toilet paper in Iraq.
robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#11 Aug 30, 2012
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>That's about what we spent on toilet paper in Iraq.
Must be some dirty asses then over there.

Obama gave them more than $50 billion dollars and 20 years of tax credits. The Obama administration special tax break for GM allows the company to write off approximately $45 billion in post-bankruptcy losses against post-bankruptcy profits.

The result? In 2011, GM paid nothing in federal income taxes despite claiming record profits of $7.6 billion, the “highest profits in the 100 year history of that company” according to President Obama.

In fact, that’s not quite right. GM paid a tax rate of negative 1.5% on its record profits – less than nothing.

That’s right, while Mr. Bill was paying his income taxes the IRS was sending General Motors a check for $110 million. And GM’s tax break is a gift that will keep on giving every year at tax time.
It’s good for twenty years.

The more people learn about the Obama bailout the madder they get.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#12 Aug 30, 2012
robert wrote:
<quoted text> Must be some dirty asses then over there.
Obama gave them more than $50 billion dollars and 20 years of tax credits. The Obama administration special tax break for GM allows the company to write off approximately $45 billion in post-bankruptcy losses against post-bankruptcy profits.
The result? In 2011, GM paid nothing in federal income taxes despite claiming record profits of $7.6 billion, the “highest profits in the 100 year history of that company” according to President Obama.
In fact, that’s not quite right. GM paid a tax rate of negative 1.5% on its record profits – less than nothing.
That’s right, while Mr. Bill was paying his income taxes the IRS was sending General Motors a check for $110 million. And GM’s tax break is a gift that will keep on giving every year at tax time.
It’s good for twenty years.
The more people learn about the Obama bailout the madder they get.
In its public pronouncements, the Obama administration insisted that the Solyndra investment had absolutely nothing to do with politics. The recently released emails definitively prove that is false.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Aug 30, 2012
Wrong, Obama promised to keep the plant open if elected. The following is a direct quote from the company.

"Janesville Assembly Plant is an automobile factory owned by General Motors located in Janesville, Wisconsin. Opened in 1919, it was the oldest operating GM plant when it was largely idled in December 2008, and CEASED ANY PRODUCTION IN APRIL 2009."

(All caps. my emphasis)

Seems the Washington Post can't tell the truth either or they just print what the WH tells them to, either way, when Mr. Obama took office in Jan. 2009 that plant WAS still open and Mr. Obama HAD promised to keep it open, he chose not to. Maybe it wasn't a union plant. He did make sure those were closed when he nationalized GM.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Aug 30, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
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In its public pronouncements, the Obama administration insisted that the Solyndra investment had absolutely nothing to do with politics. The recently released emails definitively prove that is false.
Exactly, and we already knew that one of the main directors of Solyndra was a MAJOR high bundler for Obama, this man used the stimulus money to pay back the unions and all those who helped him get elected. Most of the Green Jobs were under the direction of Friends and High Bundlers for Obama. It was just a giant pay off and scam on the US. That's the Chicago Way, bribe, steal, intimidate and buy the votes needed to win. The DEAD vote in Chicago along with their pets. I'll bet Jimmy Hoffa the first is still casting a vote each and every time.
Thief in Charge

Phoenix, AZ

#16 Aug 30, 2012
LIES
LIES
LIES

By the lamestream media.

No one hold them accountable so they lie, fabricate, spin, tell half-truths or recant their lies on the last page of next week's issue in fine print on the back.

Case in point: Fact checker itself states that plant stopped production. It was not officially closed. It was waiting to restart. Obama claimed he would bring the jobs back to the area through the GM bail out. It didn't happen as he promised. The plant officially had to close in 2009 when the "help" promised didn't materialize. A free for all spendulous was taking place and Obama didn't manage the spendulous spending for jobs. So yes as Ryan stated, Obama broke his promise to save the plant. But the lamestream media Business Week tells half the truth to protect the IDIOT IN CHIEF.

Again, read what the media says with a BIG GRAIN OF SALT. THEY LIE BIG AND GET AWAY WITH IT. Don't believe a word they say. Tell all. This is vital. We cannot save America this campaign with these outright lies by the media.

TURN OFF NETWORK NEWS. WALK PAST THE NEWS STANDS. SAVE YOUR MONEY ON CABLE. LAUGH AT THE LAME HEADLINES. Then go vote to save America under proven leadership.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#17 Aug 30, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, and we already knew that one of the main directors of Solyndra was a MAJOR high bundler for Obama, this man used the stimulus money to pay back the unions and all those who helped him get elected. Most of the Green Jobs were under the direction of Friends and High Bundlers for Obama. It was just a giant pay off and scam on the US. That's the Chicago Way, bribe, steal, intimidate and buy the votes needed to win. The DEAD vote in Chicago along with their pets. I'll bet Jimmy Hoffa the first is still casting a vote each and every time.
Yes, Obama's actual record = 42 straight months of 8.2% unemployment
doom and despair

Orange, CA

#18 Aug 30, 2012
The Janesville plant was put on hold in December 2008. It closed production for the year waiting instructions. But Obama's highly advertised GM jobs passed over Michigan and went straight to China. The Michigan workers will not forget at the voting booth. They will pass Obama by this time.

Cya mr. Doom
Pinot

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#19 Aug 30, 2012
Thief in Charge wrote:
LIES
LIES
LIES
By the lamestream media.
No one hold them accountable so they lie, fabricate, spin, tell half-truths or recant their lies on the last page of next week's issue in fine print on the back.
Case in point: Fact checker itself states that plant stopped production. It was not officially closed. It was waiting to restart. Obama claimed he would bring the jobs back to the area through the GM bail out. It didn't happen as he promised. The plant officially had to close in 2009 when the "help" promised didn't materialize. A free for all spendulous was taking place and Obama didn't manage the spendulous spending for jobs. So yes as Ryan stated, Obama broke his promise to save the plant. But the lamestream media Business Week tells half the truth to protect the IDIOT IN CHIEF.
Again, read what the media says with a BIG GRAIN OF SALT. THEY LIE BIG AND GET AWAY WITH IT. Don't believe a word they say. Tell all. This is vital. We cannot save America this campaign with these outright lies by the media.
TURN OFF NETWORK NEWS. WALK PAST THE NEWS STANDS. SAVE YOUR MONEY ON CABLE. LAUGH AT THE LAME HEADLINES. Then go vote to save America under proven leadership.
You said what I was going to say. The plant is still in suspend status. If the dings on the left would actually listen to speeches instead of the mavens from Kos and mediamatters, they might have found out Ryan said what Obama promised. If the government helped, the plant would be open for a century. It hasn't reopened despite a trillion dollar bondoogle that benefitted spendthrift states and their public union members, pay for play energy companies, and pick and choose labor winners.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#20 Aug 30, 2012
But I thought Obama bought, I mean saved, GM. Maybe he didn't add Janesville to the bailout to save some money for Solyndra.

“ROCK ON ROCKERS!!”

Since: Mar 11

Rockin' USA ;)

#21 Aug 30, 2012
In all HONESTY..Obama COULD have done alot more than he has..He promised job creations and never came through..unemployment is at an all time high since he took office. If elected for another term, WILL his promise to keep ALL his promises he made WHILE on the campaign trail..it sounds good when heard and the crowd is cheering, ALL looks good written on paper BUT the point being WILL he once again promise us all that he says and WILL he follow through with those said promises..Hmmmm...

“"I'm A Great American!"”

Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#22 Aug 30, 2012
Ryan got caught lyin'!
conservative crapola

Orefield, PA

#23 Aug 30, 2012
Colorado Chick wrote:
In all HONESTY..Obama COULD have done alot more than he has..He promised job creations and never came through..unemployment is at an all time high since he took office. If elected for another term, WILL his promise to keep ALL his promises he made WHILE on the campaign trail..it sounds good when heard and the crowd is cheering, ALL looks good written on paper BUT the point being WILL he once again promise us all that he says and WILL he follow through with those said promises..Hmmmm...
teabooger jobs bills since the teabooger '10 'revolution': 0

teabooger accomplishment since the teabooger '10' revolution': Downgraded The U.S. AAA rating.

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