Tolerance for others' beliefs could h...

Tolerance for others' beliefs could help heal world woes

There are 22 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Feb 5, 2008, titled Tolerance for others' beliefs could help heal world woes. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

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Patrice Turner

AOL

#1 Feb 6, 2008
Tolerance and intolerance both play a large part in what is amiss in society today. We tolerate intolerance in large degrees today. At the same time, we are very intolerant of any view that varies from ours. I was raised Islamic and came to Christanity as an adult and then to Christian ministry. Because I have experience in both worlds, I make a point of reaching out to both groups. I also have opportunities to see the similarities and differences in both. I'm constantly disturbed by the way that both faith communities continually fight within themselves - sect vs. sect; denomination vs. denomination. While I do know what I believe to be right as far as faith goes, I also refuse to mark one group as better than the other. In fact I think we can learn valuable lesons from each other if we can move past tolerance and move past intolerance. No one should be forced to live to please others, never being true to oneself. At the end of the day, we each have to decide our own destiny and we each have to answer to God for our own choices regardless of who or what influenced us. What appears to be most lacking in society today is good old fasioned common sense. Rev. Patrice Turner, Author-Muslim To Minister-available at www.patriceturner.com .
Too Lazy

Lemont, IL

#2 Feb 6, 2008
Abby's the laziest columnist there is. Running letters two days in a row? Give me a break. I want to hear crack-pot advice to wack-jobs and weirdos, not what a bunch of losers think will change the world.
Lynn

Naperville, IL

#3 Feb 6, 2008
Religion is a cover for a more basic problem: us vs them. That's human nature. If religion did not exist, we'd kill each other over ethnicity.
what now

Lisle, IL

#4 Feb 6, 2008
Lynn wrote:
Religion is a cover for a more basic problem: us vs them. That's human nature. If religion did not exist, we'd kill each other over ethnicity.
We already do that, too.
Gemini

Waukegan, IL

#5 Feb 6, 2008
Lynn -- but the ethnicity card doesn't play nearly as well as the GOD card; especially among Christianity, Islam & Judiaism -- the squabbling siblings of "the one TRUE god." You can use the"GOD" card to trump anything and to justify everything, from protesting at a soldiers funeral because he's gay to flying a plane into a building. Proseletyzing religions are poison.
suzyq

Three Oaks, MI

#6 Feb 6, 2008
I hate to tell you, but we ARE killing each other over ethnicity. Think of all the genocide being perpetrated in many African countries that is not a direct result of religion. My mother was forever quoting me the golden rule, treat others as you want to be treated. Not because she was a particularly avid church goer, but as she said this rule covers multitudes of sins and behaviors. If you respect yourself, you will respect others. You will be polite, think of others well-being, not steal from them or murder them. The older I get, I realize that this is the one rule that anyone following any religion or nonbeliever should follow. It has helped me immensely in my life to try and follow these words as best I can.
BumbleBee

United States

#7 Feb 6, 2008
There is one true God. We as mere humans seem to want to use him as a weapon. Some kill in his name, some use him as an excuse to be "right".

Because I am devoted to the one true God, I have to love everyone, even those who don't believe like I do.
Love in this case is not just a feeling, but an action.

I have certain behaviours I have to follow, one of those behaviours is to not judge those around me.

I think maybe God himself isn't happy with what we call religion.
ouch

Chicago, IL

#8 Feb 6, 2008
way to phone it in, abby.

“<insert witty comment here>”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#9 Feb 6, 2008
I would have to agree with Kim. Organized religion is the cause of many of the world's problems and conflicts. It's difficult to name more than one or two wars that weren't started over a difference of belief systems. Go ahead, see how many you can name that were actually started over land or money. Right off, I can think of Saddam invading Kuwait because of oil, but that's about it...
Lulu

Sarasota, FL

#10 Feb 6, 2008
These are all good points made in yesterdays and todays letters. I even appreicate even Kim's point of view. As a Christian, I try and be an example each day of the kind of person Jesus was. But I am only human, and this world is full of sin, and the hardest part for me is not to judge others and their motives as that is not my place. I agree with Bumblebee- I don't think God can be satisfied how we live our lives and I'm sure someday we will all finally realize that what what we were doing in God's honor was in fact all wrong.

So off I go for the rest of the day to try and be more tolerant, forgiving, gentle, patient, joyful and thankful.
ED in Chicago

Chicago, IL

#11 Feb 6, 2008
I have enjoyed the columns of yesterday and today very much (no complaints of "lazy" or "phoning it in" here)!
I agree with intolerance, organized religion and ignorance being the cause of most of society's problems today. The fact that the religious right is viewed as majority rule - or rather, morality rule - in this country scares me to death. Extremism in any form is dangerous. The combo of the aforementioned causes creates chaos.
Another problem: general laziness. People are too lazy to develop their empathy, teach themselves or question what they have been taught. I find people are generally more lazy than apathetic.
Whatever

Chicago, IL

#12 Feb 6, 2008
I agree with Bumblebee- I don't think God can be satisfied how we live our lives and I'm sure someday we will all finally realize that what what we were doing in God's honor was in fact all wrong.

I'm cool with God and he is with me (we talk all the time). By your last line, you, Lulu, on the other hand, are going to hell. Oh well, believe that if you must.

Since: Dec 07

Midwest USA

#13 Feb 6, 2008
I see a lot of irresponsibility in today's society. From the teenagers (as well as single,40-something year olds) who allow themselves to get pregnant to the drug & alcohol addicted, I see a lot of selfish people who trash their health and their reputations because they have little conscience for their own actions. Too many parents have let their kids rule the home life. Gone are the days when society as a whole thought 2 parents were better than one. It's a shame that so many families are not stable and healthy for today's youth.

And lastly, it grieves me that so many people care so little about their environment. I think recycling should have been mandatory years ago. How many more landfills are we going to have in the U.S.? Think about that the next time you throw a bottle or can into the trash instead of a recycling container. Ok, off my soap-box on the environment.

But the point is, there are many things that have caused our world to become as bad as it is. Having Bush in office didn't help our economy either. Luckily, that part is soon to change.

Since: Sep 07

Arlington Heights, IL

#14 Feb 6, 2008
suzyq wrote:
My mother was forever quoting me the golden rule, treat others as you want to be treated. Not because she was a particularly avid church goer, but as she said this rule covers multitudes of sins and behaviors. If you respect yourself, you will respect others. You will be polite, think of others well-being, not steal from them or murder them. The older I get, I realize that this is the one rule that anyone following any religion or nonbeliever should follow. It has helped me immensely in my life to try and follow these words as best I can.
Bingo! I grew up in "the church" and this the Bible verse goes something like, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". If only people would stop and think about that before they act (or don't act), speak (or don't speak), I think we improve many of society's problems.

A little more empathy towards our fellow (wo)man would do wonders.

Since: Jan 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#15 Feb 6, 2008
Gemini wrote:
Lynn -- but the ethnicity card doesn't play nearly as well as the GOD card; especially among Christianity, Islam & Judiaism -- the squabbling siblings of "the one TRUE god." You can use the"GOD" card to trump anything and to justify everything, from protesting at a soldiers funeral because he's gay to flying a plane into a building. Proseletyzing religions are poison.
I know a lot of religious people of all faiths who are truly good people, but I gotta agree with you, Gemini. We seem to want everyone's tolerance for our own positions, but we are unwilling to give it to those whose beliefs are different. And when I say "we" and "our," I'm talking in general. It's the way humans seem to operate. I used to wonder what the hell John Lennon was talking about in his song "Imagine," but as I get older, it's starting to make sense.
Jeff

Chicago, IL

#16 Feb 6, 2008
Lynn wrote:
Religion is a cover for a more basic problem: us vs them. That's human nature. If religion did not exist, we'd kill each other over ethnicity.
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We already do kill eachother over ethnicity. Remember Bosnia?

Hate is hate. Hate against another ethnicity. Hate because someone else's religion is different than yours. Hate because someone has a different sexual orientation that yours. Hate, hate and more hate. You see it all over these boards too. Unfortunately most of it, but not all, is based on a religious belief.

Sad...
Jeff

Chicago, IL

#17 Feb 6, 2008
Whatever wrote:
I agree with Bumblebee- I don't think God can be satisfied how we live our lives and I'm sure someday we will all finally realize that what what we were doing in God's honor was in fact all wrong.
I'm cool with God and he is with me (we talk all the time). By your last line, you, Lulu, on the other hand, are going to hell. Oh well, believe that if you must.
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You talk with god all the time? Have you ever recorded these conversations? Or are they like the ones that George Bush has with god? You know, completely imaginary.
Jeff

Chicago, IL

#18 Feb 6, 2008
BumbleBee wrote:
There is one true God. We as mere humans seem to want to use him as a weapon. Some kill in his name, some use him as an excuse to be "right".
Because I am devoted to the one true God, I have to love everyone, even those who don't believe like I do.
Love in this case is not just a feeling, but an action.
I have certain behaviours I have to follow, one of those behaviours is to not judge those around me.
I think maybe God himself isn't happy with what we call religion.
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So which one is "the one true god"?

Is it the one always used to justify the torture and murder of millions of people? Or is that the other "one true god"?....or maybe the other "one true god".....or....
Gemini

Waukegan, IL

#20 Feb 6, 2008
When it comes to religion it's not even a matter of tolerance! In a voice dripping with sarcasm I say, How benovelent of you to tolerate me, to put up with me in spite of the fact that you believe I am going to hell and you also believe you have the unmitigated right to tell me that! Why is what I believe any concern of yours at all? The relationship between an individual and the Divine is intensly personal, intimate even. You assume that anyone who believes -- believes in one male deity. What if they believe in many? And what if some of them are female? How tolerant would you be then? And what if that same person believed that the God of Christians, Muslims and Jews was a fabrication? A fairy tale. What if they beleived that Jesus never existed historically, that Christianity is the greatest story ever sold? How tolerant then? You see? It's not about beliefs, its about the uncontrollable need to express them, as if to prove something. Then the next step is to start making laws about them. And then war...
Alz

Lake Zurich, IL

#21 Feb 6, 2008
This is stupid. "Tolerance for others' beliefs could help heal world woes". Just take Militant Islam as an example. THEY DON'T LIKE OUR CULTURE. It's not about being poor like the Liberals try to foist on us, it's exactly like they say it is: they don't like us. They think we are polluting them.

The funny thing it is the liberalism in the Western world that has brought down standards just fuels these Islamists. I don't even think the Liberals realize the consequnces of their attacks on civility, decency, etc. over the years.(I'm talking about the people who used the words "Counter Culture". They keep trying to tear down our culture and this thinking controls Western Europe and many parts of our society now-a-days.)

If you have some time, watch the video called "How Modern Liberals Think"


It's very good and you can see why this "tolerance" notion is so nasty. The problem is it is taken to the extreme and it's dangerous. I was just reading today how in the UK, the Government has drawn up a controversial phrasebook on the language of terrorism and is insisting civil servants no longer blame fanatical extremism on Islam, for fear of upsetting the Muslim community.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/uk-manual-...

What I have learned from that video, this UK story and many other stories is that it is okay to be intolerant. It's okay to stand up and say something is wrong. Because if we don't, there ends up being a "nothingness". Watch that YouTube video! Enjoy!

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