Faith Baptist Tabernacle

[etaohc]

Karen, why drag a church's name and a Pastor's integrity thru the mud over something that you claim happened a long time ago?

Grudges only hurt those who hold onto them.

[Karen]

I don't have a grudge against anyone. It was ask what people thought and I just told the truth of what happen.There are many good Churches in this County and no one Church is for everyone.I hope everone that goes there is satified.I want lie it did hurt my feelings at the time and had not thought anything about it in a long time.But there are good and bad in every Church.I hope they have good sucess at there Church and with there School. May God Bless each of them.I bet there people that are going there now that remembers this.

[coastal]

I hate to bust your bubble again, Karen....but no one went around up and down the aisles to ask people for pledges. I have been here over 15 years. This never happened... and still doesn't happen. Bro. Fred is a man of God, in fact, you would do well not to speak against a man of God, as His word says, "touch not God's annointed". And I would like to know...did you know Jerry Falwell? I did. He was one of the kindest, gentlest and most giving men I have ever known. He gave away all the time. I know for a fact he gave an old man a coat right off his back.(I wonder why God has blessed his ministry so greatly over the years?) And do you think this helps the cause of Christ and His church for you to run down a man of God in a public forum such as this? Sorry, but I can't let this pass. You have bashed a couple of men of God that I care very deeply about.

[My two cents]

It is with great hurt that I read these posts about my church. There is no finer people than the Allreds and more generous locally as well as overseas missions. As for friendliness, personalities are different and should not be a way of deciding if one is uncaring or unfriendly. It simply means that people are different. Yes, Dr. Jonathan and Brenda and some of the others are more gregarious and outgoing. But, Bro. Fred is a very serious studious man and his messages show that he spends time alone with God preparing for the pulpit. Bet a lot of the Old Testament prophets had personalities like that and God used them in a mighty way! Point being that God has all kinds of personality types...are you not glad that we are not all alike. However, it would be good if all of us displayed a kindness as Christ would have us to. Come and learn with us what sincere human kindness is like and how to be like Jesus! Maybe your future posts would be more Christlike!

[Been There And Done That]

Why would you ask a question on a forum if you didn't want people to answer? I have been to this Church and no one can't tell me that most of the people in it aren't stuck up.They also preach that once your saved your always saved.Now everyone doesn't believe that way. That is why there are many Churchs in the County and this is America. Now if you are the true Christian you say you are then you don't have the right to judge either.Personally I don't think any Church should be posted on a forum.I't only causes a lot of hurt for people. Let every man choose where he wants to go to Church and take care of his own buisness. That is a personal choice and none of anyone elses buisness.This is a gossip forum not some Church meeting.Just read the Bible for yourself. The Church is not going to get us to Heaven.I think there will be all demonations in Heven.

[lady in the hills]

You better reread your bible. The bible does NOT say money is the root of all evil. It says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. There is a difference.

[etaohc]

Been There And Done That wrote:

They also preach that once your saved your always saved.Now everyone doesn't believe that way.

That is what the Bible teachers...Who cares if people dont want to believe it? Are we supposed to preach what the Bible acytually says or what we want to believe it says.

As for Judging..We are told tojudge all the time. How else would we watch who we hang out with and what we do and say without judging??

Me thinks you need to spend more time read your Bible and less time bashing a church on Topix.

[Green Hornet 007]

lady in the hills wrote:

You better reread your bible. The bible does NOT say money is the root of all evil. It says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. There is a difference.

You are right on!!

[mommy20507]

I love the people that go there, especailly the Allreds. I have known them for years. I love that chruch with all of my heart. The Allreds have been so kind to me and have helped me and my family when we needed it without us ever having to ask, they just did it. I have so many good friends there as well. I can't believe anyone would ever have something negative to say about the chruch or the people who go there. If anyone from FTB reads this, Thank You for being the Christain people that you are, I love you all dearly and thank God that you all are in my life !

[Been There And Done That]

Are you telling me that a big part of that Church isn't unfriendly toward alot of other people in the Church? One of the Allreds own family members told me that is why they attend another Church in the County. Also please tell me where in the Bible it states that once your saved your always saved?I read my Bible everyday and I have never read this.If its there then please tell me where.Also no one has the right to look down on another.If I meet you on the street and say you were dirty or unsaved, you are still no better or no less than I am.We are all the same in the eyes of God.May God Bless us all.

[Carl]

I have never been to this Church and have no desire to go.I don't believe that once your saved your always saved though.God wipes your past sins away when your saved, but I believe that if you turn around and go back out into the world and start sinning againthen I have never read anything in the Bible that says you will always be saved. And the Bible does say that we are not suppose to judge another or we will be judge.

[etaohc]

Been There And Done That wrote:

please tell me where in the Bible it states that once your saved your always saved?I read my Bible everyday and I have never read this.If its there then please tell me where.

While I dont want to turn this thread into a doctrinal debate, I will post this for you.

First explain John 3:16. How do you lose something that is "everlasting" and "eternal". I thought you said that the Bible says nothing about eternally salvation?

Because God loves you so much, He protects you. You have been redeemed (or saved) by the precious blood of His own Son. Therefore, you are of great value to Almighty God.

Because He loves and values you, notice how God protects you. John wrote of this protection,“And I give unto them [ETERNAL LIFE]; and they shall never perish, neither shall [ANY MAN] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and [NO MAN] is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand”(John 10:28-29).

Your salvation is secured by God’s provision of love, by the protection of God’s hand, and by the position of salvation. God keeps you in His heart, in His hand, and in His household.

The verses you will quote to prove that one can lose their salvation are being taken out of context and misapplied, OR, the Bible contradicts itself. If you believe that one can lose theirnsalvatio then you are saying the Bible has errors in it and God's word isnt infalliable.

[etaohc]

Carl wrote:

I believe that if you turn around and go back out into the world and start sinning again

The Bible says when you get saved,"old things are passed away and all things become new" if after being "saved" you can go right back into the world and sin recklessley and without remorse then it is a pretty good indicating factor that that person's salvation wsnt legit and real to begin with.
BUT, the Bible says if we are saved and DO sin we have an advocate with the father.
Sorry, but the Bible teaches once saved, always saved.

[Plateau44]

It is deplorable and disturbing that this great country has abandoned its original foundation and moral responsibility to its citizens and as a role model to the world. Our own citizens have abandoned and forgotten God’s teachings and have accepted the liberal and ungodly world view. We have become numb to the daily vomiting of sin that pours out of every corner of even our own community, let alone the rest of the planet, that it goes unnoticed. Unfortunately some have become so hypocritical and have the audacity to call themselves Christians when they openly attack Christian churches, leaders and education. Don’t they see that they are puppets and playing directly into Satan’s hands by attacking institutions that promote God?

The Bible clearly states that we should not speak ill of anyone who is following God’s bidding. All of have sinned and will sin and fall short of the glory of the Lord. If anyone thinks that someone is not doing enough for the community then I say they need to ask themselves,“What am I doing?” instead of what they think someone else should do. We ALL have a responsibility and need to have an active role in the promotion of God and in our community. This county was NOT founded on the premise that someone else will or should do it.

Christian education is a Biblical responsibility for parents. Statistically Bible based education, morals and simple right from wrong has virtually disappeared from many of our homes. It certainly is not promoted in our public education. Our children are exposed and plummeted into a world that accepts sin as the norm instead of what it really is SIN. I as a parent need all the help I can get to prepare my children for a world that is equipped to attack everything that is Christian. Faith Christian Academy is an excellent institution that uses Bible based education in the classroom. If anyone thinks for one minutes that the children who attend there are behind public education then they are woefully misled. As a parent of children who attend Faith Christian Academy, I am satisfied beyond compare and intend on keeping them there as long as possible. My family has been in both private and public education, but none has compared to one that is truly Biblically based. Isn’t it our responsibility as parents to what God intended us to do with our children and teach them in the way of the Lord? I am not anti public education, but will not accept what has changed and been accepted within it.

[Green Hornet 007]

etaohc wrote:

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While I dont want to turn this thread into a doctrinal debate, I will post this for you.
First explain John 3:16. How do you lose something that is "everlasting" and "eternal". I thought you said that the Bible says nothing about eternally salvation?
Because God loves you so much, He protects you. You have been redeemed (or saved) by the precious blood of His own Son. Therefore, you are of great value to Almighty God.
Because He loves and values you, notice how God protects you. John wrote of this protection,“And I give unto them [ETERNAL LIFE]; and they shall never perish, neither shall [ANY MAN] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and [NO MAN] is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand”(John 10:28-29).
Your salvation is secured by God’s provision of love, by the protection of God’s hand, and by the position of salvation. God keeps you in His heart, in His hand, and in His household.
The verses you will quote to prove that one can lose their salvation are being taken out of context and misapplied, OR, the Bible contradicts itself. If you believe that one can lose theirnsalvatio then you are saying the Bible has errors in it and God's word isnt infalliable.

I will have to agree with you there.Also look at it another way>When you are saved,God is your Father.So if He is your Father,You are His son or daughter.Once you are a son,you can not be disowned.If you have kids you may not like what they are doing in their life but no matter what they are your sons or daughters forever.If,when you are saved,you go out and sin and not ask for forgiveness he may punish you in some way and if need be,take your life early and of course you will be judged one day for any unforgiven sins in your life.Well,I am done preaching so I will go.But that is basically how I believe.

[DumbAsSin]

I just want to ask all of you Christian people or so called such: "What the heck does it mean to "get saved?" The Bible says, he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved. It doesn't say, you get hit by a bolt of lightning and all of a sudden, you're never gonna sin again. I understand the concept of having the scales fall from my eyes and them being opened to the light to see clearly, but this "getting saved" concept sideswipes me.

And more to the point of the question, no church is without fault. Who wants only perfect people in a church? What profit would it be to help only those who are already righteous? There's no gain in that. As far as the Allreds go...they have made their fortunes and reputations getting rich off the poor, sick and insured people of the communities. No better than leeches to me. And the good people of this county hold them up like they're saints, and kiss their rings like Papacy. Even when they run a radio station, they still have to beg people for money to keep it on the air. I guess, they're afraid, someone will stalk them for their money. What a laugh! Quite frankly, most people have little use for them unless they need something. So,what good are they to the necessities of everyday life anyway?

[Coastal]

Regarding security of the believer and for those who SAY the Bible doesn't teach this: which Bible are YOU reading? There are too many verses to even put into this space that teach it. If you believe that it is totally by God' grace that you receive His FREE GIFT of salvation, then how is it you have to perform works to keep it. Paul teaches this over and over! If you have to work to keep a gift, then it was never a gift in the first place. John 10:28: "And I GIVE unto them eternal life, and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall ANY man pluck them out of my hand"
Sound pretty secure to me!! And how many times can a person be born again? According to Hebrews: ONCE!! If a person COULD be saved and then lost, He could never be saved again!!! Thank God, I am secure!!!

[Friend of Faith Baptist]

I am a pastor in Jamestown and a friend of Faith Baptist and just wanted jump in on this post. I know Pastor Allred and know him to be a man after God's own heart. I know several of their pastors on staff ( I think they have 4 or 5 pastors on staff) and would say the same about them as well. Let me say this as well Faith Baptist Tabernacle, Faith Christian Academy and WCLC are not owned by the Allred's they are owned by God. God has just chosen to entrust them to a Pastor and a congregation with a heart to reach the people of Fentress County and beyond.

I am thankful that God has blessed people like the Allred's and others financially to keep a ministry like theirs going. It cost lots of money to run all the ministries that Faith Baptist does. Reality posted earlier all the ministries that they have.

Bus ministy
Young at Heart
Mission Point Jubilee
Visitation program
Awana Clubs
Fifth Quarter
WCLC
Operation Merry Christmas
Faith Christian Academy
TV Ministry
Prayer ministry
Benevolence ministry
Men's ministy
Ladies Ministry
Conseling ministry
Widows ministry


Just look at the first one the Bus ministry. They drive all over this county and pick up kids to bring them to church. I know they have two small busses they run and I think they run three vans every week. Look at the price of gas. They run on Sunday and Wednesday. I would guess that probably cost about $300 -$400 a week just to run the bus ministry. I know personally that they are picking up about 80 kids a week for church and I must say they have one of the finest children’s and youth ministries in this country. Jut look down the list at the many ministries they are involved in. It takes people to work those ministries.

They don’t have to do all this. They do it because they love God. The people of Faith Baptist could keep all their money and do the things they want to do, but know they give to further the work of the Lord. Is that greedy is that selfish? I think not. I am thankful for Faith Baptist Tabernacle. If any of the members are reading this. Thank you for all you do.

[DumbAsSin]

Coastal wrote:

Regarding security of the believer and for those who SAY the Bible doesn't teach this: which Bible are YOU reading? There are too many verses to even put into this space that teach it. If you believe that it is totally by God' grace that you receive His FREE GIFT of salvation, then how is it you have to perform works to keep it. Paul teaches this over and over! If you have to work to keep a gift, then it was never a gift in the first place. John 10:28: "And I GIVE unto them eternal life, and they shall NEVER perish, neither shall ANY man pluck them out of my hand"
Sound pretty secure to me!! And how many times can a person be born again? According to Hebrews: ONCE!! If a person COULD be saved and then lost, He could never be saved again!!! Thank God, I am secure!!!

Dear woman or man, Paul was not God!!!!!!
I agree totally that once you believe you can never believe otherwise. However, I disagree totally with your concept of salvation. Noah believed, but he was denied eternal salvation. Many are called, few are chosen. However, there is no concept in the Bible that says you "get saved." It's a notion that was adopted and philosphised by American theologists who left the Catholic or Anglican churces to form their own brand of religion. I scoff at organized religion! I have known many a deserving and believing individual who has died without belonging to a local church, who belived that Jesus died for us, but weren't "good" enough to grace pews. All the regions that stem from the original Christianity are diversions from the one true concept. Jesus loved and forgave everyone and that is what ministers should be preaching. All you have to do is believe and accept that! Period, end of story. Organized religion forbids this and that and say that someone cannot belong to their churches and turn many away. They won't enter but stand in the door and hinder those who would! That is also forbidden in the Bible! Take it all if you'll take a little!
And I spurn at those of you who claim to know "God's Will!" God had a virgin deliver his son! He instructed people to lie, kill, cheat and steal in His name. Yet, you sit in your high houses on the hills and claim, you---you--know what His Will is! All the people I've ever met who said, they heard God's voice are nut jobs, by even psychiatrists standards. It's all man's desire to be the biggest duck in the puddle...the bigges joe on the block and have the biggest church on the street. No one is in it for the real reason it was designed. You're no better than a common sinner.
However, if in life, you discover doubts and say, I don't believe it anymore, you condemn yourself...at least if you die in that state of mind. I will gladly take the Bible and sit down and read with you....but make no mistake, people like me are not covered in the concept of Jesus.
I don't care how many coasts you've sat on, don't care how many people you've met, don't care how many souls you claim or how much money is in your bank account, you are just like me when it comes to salvation! We are all subject to God! And God cannot be put into your little boxes and explained! He loves who He loves and hates who He hates! I read the King James Version! It is the best translation known to mankind.

[Green Hornet 007]

Another way to look at eternal salvation.Salvation is a gift from God,all you have to do is accept it.You can never become unsaved because to me you would be calling God an indian-giver..He will never give you the gift of salvation and then take it away.Just about every Christian sins just about every day in some form or fashion;be it getting angry when you are in traffic or maybe didn't get to read the Bible today(or pray today) or maybe God told you to witness to somebody and you found you were too busy today, etc..I would hate to think I could be saved and then lost several times a day and died just when I got angry and went to Hell..