Step up, Jamestown, before itís all C...

Step up, Jamestown, before itís all CONDEMNED.

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epiphany

Johnson City, NY

#1 May 12, 2012
Why arenít property owners in Jamestown fixing anything? Because nobody is holding them to their part of the deal. Condemned signs are going up all over the city every day and itís our fault. Nobody says anything unless itís to criticize the unfortunate families that live in these neighborhoods. Iíve heard some applaud the recent arsons that burned some of these places to the ground for cleaning up Jamestown. I even heard a local CODE officer say that Jamestown courts unfortunately know and care nothing about tenants and will side with landlords almost invariably. And so for years, landlords have been letting inhabited homes fall into disrepair to the point of no return while still collecting rent. This is not just shady businessÖthis is illegal behavior and every resident and owner needs to know it. More importantly, our local courts actually need to enforce it.

Property owners are responsible for the homes that they own in the same way that tenants are responsible for rent. If there are cockroaches, it is the landlordís responsibility to treat the home until they are gone. It doesnít matter how desperate you were for cheap housing, if your landlord rented you a place that has holes in walls, floors, if your roof is leaking, if your pipes are broken, if your outlets donít work, if your fuses are always blowing, if you think thereís a gas leakÖit is the property ownerís responsibility to ensure that the home is habitable: that means both secure and sanitary. Many property owners have no shame and arenít required to care, so most renters are justifiably afraid to demand anything at all.

Now imagine what would happen if the rules that are already in place were enforcedÖright here in Jamestown. Landlords everywhere would hire a slew of handymen, creating jobs and income. Rents would go up for repaired homes, rewarding landlords for their commitment and taking the edge off of their initial expenses. Nicer apartments would now be available in areas generally not known as nice areas, helping to create diversity as higher income renters with higher standards no longer walk in and run back out. Landlords would be forced to sell homes that they couldnít maintain in order to avoid consequences (yes, consequences!), and a bunch of affordable fixer-uppers would be available for purchase by middle class working families- again bringing more economic diversity into our poorest areas. Slumlords would no longer be able to collect rent while letting their properties rot with tenants in them until they are finally condemned. The new, reinvented and responsible Landlords would promptly evict negligent tenants, fearing the need to repair large damages before attempting to rent againÖbecause they canít just lower the rent and let it slide anymore.

Step up, Jamestown.
you must really be

Binghamton, NY

#3 May 21, 2012
SPECIAL..... woo hoo everyone, look at this complete libtard. Tell you what, I have read some BS in my day, but this really tops it off. First of all, if you had one clue as to what regulations were already in place, and how strict the city already is. You could pull your head out of your a$$. If anyone files a complaint, and a tenant lets a code enforcer inside a house, if there is anything that triggers a code violation. The city is liberal enough. Your little dream theroy is completely wrong. No one has money to buy a house in jamestown, and if they did, there is already a ton of houses dirt cheap. No one wants to buy into this excuse for a town. Landlords already make basic repairs and have their own cheap labor to help make stuff ok for use. your little spcheel sounds like a senior thesis in a liberal classroom. grow up and look around. scum bags ruin apartments faster then the land lords can clean up after them. where do you think cock roaches come from anyways? dirty a$$ people. Thats what this town's full of. It's not always the land lords fault. You make it sound like they are the ones with all the money. It's not even that way anymore. Taxes are so high. You just better stay in school and get a nice job cleaning dishes at the local area applebees.
wendy

Johnson City, NY

#4 May 21, 2012
the landlords like jim mgee are slum lords. they never fix the properties but they want $$$$$. Then the places get condemened. i say fine the owners each month thier place is condemned.
tax payer

Ardsley, NY

#5 May 21, 2012
It all starts at the top and with a weak leader like Teresi nothing will ever get done in this city. While he keeps talking about what a great job he and his staff are doing , Jamestown is going down big time. He is all talk with no balls to change anything.
tax payer

Ardsley, NY

#6 May 21, 2012
Epiphany is totally right. Housing is the #1 problem in Jamestown and Teresi has been responsible for correcting housing violations for way too long with absolutely nothing being changed. It's time to get him out.
Modog

Ardsley, NY

#7 May 21, 2012
Right on! Teresi is a real ass who is all talk no action.
big mac

Ardsley, NY

#8 May 21, 2012
JPD is another city dept that's out of control under teresi watch. With a chief who's never at work and absolutely no rules.
tax payer

Ardsley, NY

#9 May 21, 2012
The problem continues that the repubs can't find anyone competent to beat him even though he's beatable.
hitmann

Ardsley, NY

#10 May 21, 2012
Police and fire depts control Teresi and Jamestown while most live outside city.
you must really be

Binghamton, NY

#11 May 21, 2012
Before this discussion goes any further, lets put the facts on the table.
1)Over 80% of Jamestown housing is rentals,(keep in mind this number continues to grow, not the other way around)
2)The DOD, "Department of Development", does in fact, have very strict codes in place. This enforcement can seem invisible to the naked eye. Until you either know someone who has been there, or maybe own rentals in Jamestown.
3) There is definately a problem with slum lords in Jamestown, however, they do have to comply with reasonable, yet strict codes and regulations.
4)The problem in this town, is it's residense, its not the mayor, not the police department, "although I agree, they don't appear to go out of their way to protect anyone, or make Jamestowns citizens feel comfortable, or at home. Lakewood/Busti, is completely different, they go out of their way to help people, and make even a minor complaint feel answered, not brushed off".
5)If you sit back and think about, all the decent, working family's, that either grew old and passed away, or were basically forced to leave this area. Due to raising crime, or lack of employment. And some of the, "un-desirables" they filled their spots, that adds up fairly quick.
6)Lets use this example to set this issue straight:
You purchase a 2 unit house, in lets say, Allen St. This takes place, Next week. You buy the house fairly cheap, and have a carpenter ready to start making repairs. You and this carpenter pour, hard-earned money into the house, and with his labor cost. Soon enough, for a modest renovation and improvment on some basic elements, you already have an additional $10 grand invested in your property. And for argument sake, lets say, hes a pro, not cheap labor, and it needed new flooring and paint, and dry wall and some plumbing. 10 gs, is cheap for that now a days. After the house is complete, your first set of tenants move in, a family in both upstairs, and downstairs units. Odds are, they are covered by section 8, given the house is up to that standard, and if not, usually welfare kicks in around $200 out of $400, being total rent price per unit. So your grossing $800 per month on the house. Given both renters make their payments on time. And to make this simple, lets say, the house and the improvements were paid cash and not financed. So est. yearly taxes on a $20,000 house are around $1,300, "highest percentage per dollar in the country", between school and county. Your goal is to get as close to $9600 per year total rent as possible. After taxes making $8300. Eventually hoping to make a sound, solid, investment. This whole plan sounds nice, but forgetting one huge factor. It will be next to impossible to collect the other $200 per each unit, unless the tenant is on SSI. You will chase rent, every month. And have many many evictions. Lets not forget they cost about $500 a pop, if you hire a lawyer. Also going into a trashed apartment. All your hard earned dollars down the drain. Sue the people? Maybe for a judgement,a 8 x 12 piece of paper, but they can usually only cough up their good looks. Maybe they will hit a scratch off some day, but hopefully they don't move, a small claim suit only has short armed reach for local area. Maybe some of you folks should sit back and think about how hard being a land lord could be, and what else can we do? Tear every house down in half the city? Where would they go? Do you want that caliber of people bunking in your room? To set the table straight, the mayor didnt throw human feces on 10 winsor, nor did he create a meth lab across the street, nor did he completely trash his home, like many rentors in this city do. It's amazing to me that half of these houses can even clean back up, imagine the efford and the constant headache. Face it people, this town's full of low lifes, they are everywhere. Acting like they are not there is really starting to get old. Give the slum lords a break. They do a good job, given the clientel.
epiphany

Johnson City, NY

#12 May 29, 2012
you must really be wrote:
Before this discussion goes any further, lets put the facts on the table...
I beg to differ. There ARE decent and hardworking families in Jamestown that are renting these dilapidated, cockroach-infested buildings because it's what they can afford. They ARE afraid to approach their landlord AGAIN about the same issues that have never been resolved, because their month-to-month could be terminated in favor of less "needy" tenants and it's hard to find a place with more than 2 bedrooms. They earn every single dollar that is paid to these douchebag slumlords and deserve every single protection that tenants are supposed to be guaranteed in NYS- not just what our stagnant DOD wants to address.

If there is a problem with slumlords in Jamestown, as you admit, then there is a problem with SLUMLORDS IN JAMESTOWN. Any further attempt to explain or excuse is backpedaling. If landlords can't make a profit without letting their properties go to h*** all the while collecting rent, then not only should they not be landlords, they should face charges. The DOD's enforcement should NEVER 'seem invisible to the naked eye'. By now, it should actually be maintaining Jamestown as a clean and safe place to rent, whether a renter is collecting benefits or not.
Molly

Houston, TX

#13 Aug 14, 2012
oh boy...:(
molly is a shut in

Fredonia, NY

#14 Aug 14, 2012
Molly wrote:
oh boy...:(
Texas cool
I could deal better with the pit that is Houston if the people here weren't so proud of it! It's pathetic how proud they are of so little. They keep telling each other how great Houston is until they actually believe it.
Molly

Houston, TX

#15 Aug 14, 2012
Personally don't care for it that much but compared to Jamestown it's great. Pro sports, great colleges, museums, beaches, great restaurants, a great place to make a living, etc.. Jamestown showcases it's mentality on this forum.
glory days

Jamestown, NY

#16 Aug 14, 2012
The really funny part about this posting is the obvious fact that anyone that thinks they dont make their own bed and its always someone else with more money's fault. Really show the welfare state of mind, bold and underlined. We're poor so tend to us! Don't mind the turds all over the floor in the bathroom.... just fix my toilet! I flushed too much paper, get over here now landlord before we have you arrested!!! haha too funny
glory days

Jamestown, NY

#17 Aug 14, 2012
And how could the department of development do anything about having a "clean" city? Has anyone seen the dirty mo fo's walking down every street lately?
epiphany
#18 Aug 16, 2012
There are people posting in a new thread about actual experiences that they, as rent paying tenants, have had. There are responsibilities that both tenant and landlord have. Tenants have to pay rent and security, and follow a lengthy list of rules as specified in the rental agreement. Landlords have to maintain the safety of their properties and remove pests, and get paid.

These are perfectly reasonable, fair and enforceable guidelines. What I hear you saying is that Jamestown families aren't worth the same standards as the rest of the state and country.

Slumlords are preying on the people of our city, forcing them to live with faulty wiring, unsanitary plumbing, and apartment houses teeming with roaches that any tenant or family is powerless to cope with. Someone just starting out or that has hit hard times may need the cheaper end of rentals. The neglect that they deal with is absolutely unacceptable and inhumane. It has gone so terribly wrong that there is now a lot of work to be done to restore the city. Had any regulations been maintained or enforced by the state or the city, however occasionally inconvenient for these opportunistic criminals, we wouldn't be in such a disgusting place.

Proceed with more excuses and blanket statements about the tenants of Jamestown. It's very enlightening.
Molly

Houston, TX

#19 Aug 16, 2012
epiphany wrote:
There are people posting in a new thread about actual experiences that they, as rent paying tenants, have had. There are responsibilities that both tenant and landlord have. Tenants have to pay rent and security, and follow a lengthy list of rules as specified in the rental agreement. Landlords have to maintain the safety of their properties and remove pests, and get paid.
These are perfectly reasonable, fair and enforceable guidelines. What I hear you saying is that Jamestown families aren't worth the same standards as the rest of the state and country.
Slumlords are preying on the people of our city, forcing them to live with faulty wiring, unsanitary plumbing, and apartment houses teeming with roaches that any tenant or family is powerless to cope with. Someone just starting out or that has hit hard times may need the cheaper end of rentals. The neglect that they deal with is absolutely unacceptable and inhumane. It has gone so terribly wrong that there is now a lot of work to be done to restore the city. Had any regulations been maintained or enforced by the state or the city, however occasionally inconvenient for these opportunistic criminals, we wouldn't be in such a disgusting place.
Proceed with more excuses and blanket statements about the tenants of Jamestown. It's very enlightening.
Very good post.
The real Molly

Binghamton, NY

#20 Aug 17, 2012
Well yeah the dirty people = dirty apartments, attracting pests bed bugs etc. I have seen a few low end apartments that were maintained nicely and cleaned BY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. It would be a different story. You defend low income Jamestown residence and at the same time be-little them, stating that "the conditions they deal with are in humane". In humane is more of a word to describe abused animals. Animals obvisolly cannot clean up after them selves and need humans to maintain basic sanitary coditions for them while being demosticated. Please explain to me how its any fault of the land lord to clean the house for a filthy tenant. Pests and cock roaches don't appear on their own. They have to be drawn in some how. If a house sits empty, after a clean out, when a tenant leaves. That usually helps in many pests leaving,(especially if the house sits without heat in the winter time). I agree that some land lords let too many things slide. If you are renter in the city of Jamestown, and you notice your apartment to be un-safe or in bad repair, or sanitary issues, out of the tenants control. You are entitled to calling the department of development and filing an anyomous complaint. They react mainly on a complaint basis and will come in and assess damages and hold the property owner accountable for making repairs. I have personally whitnessed many land lord making great effort to bringing a property back to good condition. I have also whitnessed discouragements, tenants not making rent payments, and trashing the apartment at the same time. Both factors would lead any land lord in his/her right mind to not go above and beyond to make repairs and updates on houses. Their main fears of just having it trashed again, and be out thousands of dollars. Its a no win situation in our town. With over an 80% rental rate for people living in our area. Combined with both dirty, sloppy land lords and tenants. The bottom line, in most cases, its not the fault of the land lord, or the fault of the tenant. Tenants have a difficult time finding suitable apartments to live in. While land lords are afraid to invest money in repairs on apartments, because they fear a loss of profit. If everyone worked together, both tenant and renter. Our town could come a long way. If all the land lords put a master list together, of bad experiences with a tenant trashing and not paying rent. Like a "do not rent to" list. And tenants all started to respect their rented apartment/house. With many tenants, having a terrible drug addiction, and constant access to drugs, and neighbors having the same problem. Their last worry is making sure the place they sleep at night is both clean and comfortable. And while land lords may have given up on doing the extra repairs that make all the difference, and have become very frusterated in general with tenants. If everyone in our little town, started to maintain a better over-all attitude, and everyone took more pride on where they lived, and what they owned. We would see a huge difference in our city.
Totally Appalled

United States

#21 Aug 18, 2012
I have personally had TWO, that's TWO different landlords tell my husband and I that they prefer to rent to tenants on social services, so they are guarenteed their rent money. This was before we even walked into the houses. WHAT???!!! Both of us work and receive no assistance. I was shocked. That is the mentality of a slumlord. Most likely what he saw is two grown clean hardworking adults, raising their 5 children properly and thought: nope renting to them would cause me to clean up my property!
I will defend Jamestown overall, because I truly do believe that there are more good, hardworking people here than the scum that remains. I see improvements taking place, and thankfully these good families live in all areas of town, yes even in the "ghetto". I think ephiany is right on with this one. Its time to step up and do right in this town. All them condemned houses should be sold to families for a 1000 or less, giving them the opportunity to own and clean up. Let the slum lords keep their trashy tenants & property.

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