What is your opinion of JHS and Princ...
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#235 Jul 9, 2012
mom of 4 jmst wrote:
<quoted text>AMEN!
I couldnt agree with you more. I know that teachers and prinicpals have a lot of types of children to deal with. However, each child is different in thier own way. Except what triggers them to react the way they do. You see I have been told by good kids and kids that have been in trouble. That they are singled out by the staff and Mr.Sutter's is the worst of them all. I was told how he told kids they were losers and will never be anything in thier lives. Well, I could see why kids get angry and I can see why kids give up on themselves when someone is telling them this all the times. I never knew what a city school was like till I moved out here and I am not impressed with any of it. I came from schools that cared about the kids and helped them with making the right choices, not abused by the staff or prinicpals. They would talk the issues out and got helped, they didnt point fingers or put them down. I was involved with my kids teachers and prinicpals all through the years. Now my two kids have came to JHS, and Percell school. One was listed as a trouble maker right off the bat not even giving her a chance, she was doing great until one fight put her on the crap list for sure with Mr.Sutter's. Its real shame that this school isnt like the ones my daughters been to in the past. The past school believed in no kid is left behind, and its our duty to never let them feel like this. To bad this school believes in punishment,abuse with their students then caring,positived attitudes. I wish all parents could have experienced the schools that believe in students like my daughters have.Well have a nice day.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#236 Jul 9, 2012
LOL wrote:
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If Mr. Sutter has done anything remotely illegal all of these years, don't you think something would have surfaced? You are all out of your minds protecting your ill-behaved delinquents. Typical of this generation. You are all very sad.
Wrong she is not ill-behaved delinquents People like you make me sick, why do you state this when you can read statements going back to 2008 on this site. So your quick to judge with not knowing all the facts in front of you. So all these parents who stated on this are wrong and your right,wake up and smell the coffee to many complaints add to this point,they all cant be wrong. Second no one has gone up against him, because if they do the their kids whould pay it in the end cause they all cant afford to move out of the district. So my guess is they are frustrated, but backed up against the wall. You remind me of a person who judges by the cover of a book than on the facts on the inside. So do you have any kids in JHS or just a person who likes to degrade a parent by your statement! My daughter is beautiful, very smart and was one hell of a sports player. So this is not a delinquent this is a child who has been raped and is having issues with people touching her or in her face. You just dont know all the facts, I was there,the whole time dealing with her and Mr.Sutter's and he knew all about it,she was asking for sympathy or an excuse to miss behave, she didnt even want me to tell him, but I did and he used the wrong words with me by stating she has to suck it up and move on. This is so wrong and it shows me his a heartless, cold, abusive man who shouldnt be dealing with kids. So thats the true facts and your blind ask yourself if you went through what my daughter did, and he stated that to you what would you do? Or are just a big fool?
Paul

Fredonia, NY

#237 Jul 9, 2012
Dorene take your half breed kids and teach them some manners instead of writing on this site.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#238 Jul 9, 2012
As I sit here viewing all the statements on this site and how far they go back into 2008 it really makes me sick. There are parents or staff that state oh your child is a trouble maker, you must not be a good parent! Well, here's my point of view and facts that were stated to me from JHS prinical Mr.Sutter. 1. First day we met him, he read over her file and already had a point of view over her that she was going to cost him $37.50 for everyday she missed school. It wasnt about education it was the dollar signs. 2. He had made her feel like crap and as we walked out of his office, I already had a bad feeling that she wasnt going to treated fair like other students, just by his attitude and remarks. 3. She stated to me, I am going to keep to myself and stay out of the girl drama, she did first report card was 90's-80's. These are the grades she use to have and we were very proud of her. 4. A girl who she never met hauls off and hits her and she was on the floor with this 17 year old girl who had 100lbs more on her, she fought back. So she gets APP for defending herself. 5. She was getting severe headaches and we have no doctor for her so we had to go to ER. She missed the May 26 detention with a doctor's note. He said it didnt matter she blew it off, but she made it up on June 2. He didnt care and added more detendtions to her. So explain to me how fair he is being. 6. My husband and I was involved with school on all of this. What did we get for it arrested? So tell me about the justice?These are the facts nothing but the facts so sorry if I find it hard that all the parents who write and tell others how is done wrong by their kids. Walk in their shoes and tell me a again how they are all wrong.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#239 Jul 9, 2012
Bigmomma wrote:
I would like to ask one question. Everyone is speaking of the behaviors of these kids but what about the kids with real medical issues that prevent them from receiving an education? My son is 15 years old and has cysti fibrosis and with the fatal disease comes many issues. Tiredness being fidgety from mess and having excessive gas he can't control so tell me why it was that the children did not taunt him but the teacher did. Actually had him send home because he was supposedly disturbing the class. The class was not bothered it was the teacher that had issues.!!!! He was also put in a " special" program for problems because he was often late for school for the medical regime he had to fulfill before school. My son was not a problem child he was a straight a student who was put in this place because he fell asleep in class often because he had sleep apnea and now my straight a student has failed 9 th grade because he did not get a proper education. So u tell me how that's fair
I feel your pain this is totally wrong and your right about how you feel. Did you ever look into it with a lawyer I know there has to be laws against this treatment. I viewed in one of APP class a 8th grader was acting out in manner that they didnt know how to deal with, so they turned his seat to face the wall. He started yelling I am not a idiot I am not on my patch for ADHD. They sent him into a room where he had to stand with no seat. Finally they called his dad in and the kid said now your making my dad mad at me. I saw the father come in and stated I will make sure when he comes in tommorrow he will be under controlled and will do yes sir no sir. The next day the kid came in,his arm was in a sling and his face had a scratch on it. The dad told a story about how it happened. I sat there and felt it didnt add up, I really believed he as abused. The staff never once questioned it, and seem to be pleased that he was under control. Another student read my reaction and said oh yeah his dad did that to him. So tell me how I could view it like this and other students can how come the staff didnt see it that way? I am so sorry your son was treated wrong, I dont just care about how my daughter was wronged,I care about other students too. If you ever want to talk feel free to drop me a line on this site, I wish you the best hope you get some fair results in your situation.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#240 Jul 9, 2012
Catch-22 WNY wrote:
I am sure several parents plan on being at your next board meeting. There is a lot to discuss that is wrong. Realist, you are not. The district needs a program that educates and helps this type of population not pushes them toward quitting school due to their wonderful APP program. Yes, there are plenty of others doing well and there are those that are not. It is not the parents or students fault in all case either. There are underlying issues that if you were a realist you would understand but you are not what you claim to be by your ignorance. I plan on pursuing this until the parents have a victory and when it hits the media. We will all have the last laugh. Maybe some parents should picket the school's APP program with the the help of agencies and others who are aware, we would probably be punished though for communicating our right as a member of this community since it differs from your arrogant point of view.
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Hi, I think I talked to you before, I cant believe how far this site goes back. I just moved here and was shocked on how the school works with the kids who mess up once,and its true once you get into trouble, you never get a break with this guy. I would love to see all the parents come forward and challange this school on the rights for their kids. I am guessing everyone wont because they are afraid of what he has done to the students and their parents be harrassed with the threat of being arrested. We as parents have rights to and if we all stand up and fight it things will have to change. In our old school if kids got into trouble they would suspend them and make the parents punish them. This is the only school that I know of who does this punishment, and they tell you to do this here. Last time I knew school was school not a place for treating kids like criminals and strip them down to a low level of respect. If kids keep getting treated like this than they will believe this is all they will be as. So I am not only angry for what happened to me and my daughter, but I am for all the kids who are being treated unfair and wish all the parents came forth to stand up for thier kids, and for the parents rights too. Well you know where I am drop me a line if you are serious about taking actions. Just remember people who are in prision have more rights than what the kids have right now,so what is wrong with this picture.?
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#241 Jul 9, 2012
JHS Graduate wrote:
I was not going to comment on this. After reading all the post on here I have a few things to say. I am appalled by what I am seeing and reading. Not once in here, did I read that it is considered child abuse to handcuff your child, and it is child abuse to degrade your child... oh wait it is only if it is the parents doing this... it must be different if it is a school with the police department involved. If this is the case, I think a police officer should be in the homes of every child that has this problem with the school. After all it is the "single parent" and Parents on Public Assistance that seem to have this problem. Should be easy to have this done. Number one not all parents on PA are druggies or have a drinking problem... they are in fact on the system because they need the help financially, and does this mean that those kids do not deserve the proper education?? I was unaware that there was a dollar amount on our kid's education being that this is a public school. All the kids doing well must come from well to do families, that have the money to pay for this school and to treat there kids fairly. I was one of those kids, who grew up in a single parent home, and guess what my mom needed help, from yes the system. I also Graduated from JHS. So I guess stereo-typing people is not right.(By the way that goes for everyone)What it all comes down to is a mistake has been made, so admit the wrong and fix it. So this program isn't working, so find a program that will work. All of these children in this community will someday be in control of our future, even if you do not want to admit it it is true. If all the things said about Mr.Sutter is true, I say this, he needs to take a long look at himself. If he wants people to change then he needs to see it all the children, he "disciplines", because even the worst child has it in them to change. If more people looked at their child as people, who need the help, instead of problems, the children in this community, will see, that the adults in this community really do care; what happens to them. Negative behavior only breeds it. As does negative discipline, " Hit a child, this will teach them to hit, degrade a child, this will teach them to degrade others." The golden rule of life... "due unto others as you shall have them due unto you". I also seen something said about ethics and morals, one of the first morals and ethics I was taught was to admit my wrong doing, second one was respect others and they will respect you.
You are so right and I am glad you graduated as a parent I want the same for my daughter who has been centered out the day she came to this school,by Mr.Sutter. A kid who was punished by her parents,they made her run a ex-mount of times and didnt give her water, and also made her stand on one foot for an hour they were arrested for child abuse. So why is it that the school can do the abusive manner and not be brought up on charges? I agree with you why is this allowed. I viewed some officers opionions on how they have to treat the kids under Mr.Sutter's ruling and I beleive they dont like it, but its their job on line too. I agree with you on the whole thing.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#242 Jul 9, 2012
This is the last time anyone will hear from me on the whats your opionion of JHS prinicpal Mr.Sutter's. I learned of this site from a city offical to see what others have said about him. I have stated the truth, I dont have to listen to people telling me my kids are half-breeds and should teach them manners. Personally, I think anyone who makes comments like this are stupid. This is my opionion of coarse. My kids treat people who treat them with respect the same way. So good luck to parents who kids are abused by the school system, till you all come forward to change the school, this site is no good,just stupid bickering and I reached out to help but this site is filled with ignorant people who lash out at people who are trying to help their kids. So enjoy the bashings cause till someone comes forward, its not worth it. I will have my day in court for being arrested by prinicpal's orders, because I was a concerned parent who will always feel that he has a abused the system of these kids rights. So I wish you the best, I am not going to continue defending my rights with these people. I will defend my right in court. Have a nice life, I hope your kids succeed in school some how some way.
i bet

United States

#243 Jul 10, 2012
dorene wrote:
<quoted text>I feel your pain this is totally wrong and your right about how you feel. Did you ever look into it with a lawyer I know there has to be laws against this treatment. I viewed in one of APP class a 8th grader was acting out in manner that they didnt know how to deal with, so they turned his seat to face the wall. He started yelling I am not a idiot I am not on my patch for ADHD. They sent him into a room where he had to stand with no seat. Finally they called his dad in and the kid said now your making my dad mad at me. I saw the father come in and stated I will make sure when he comes in tommorrow he will be under controlled and will do yes sir no sir. The next day the kid came in,his arm was in a sling and his face had a scratch on it. The dad told a story about how it happened. I sat there and felt it didnt add up, I really believed he as abused. The staff never once questioned it, and seem to be pleased that he was under control. Another student read my reaction and said oh yeah his dad did that to him. So tell me how I could view it like this and other students can how come the staff didnt see it that way? I am so sorry your son was treated wrong, I dont just care about how my daughter was wronged,I care about other students too. If you ever want to talk feel free to drop me a line on this site, I wish you the best hope you get some fair results in your situation.
And I bet you were so concerned you called CPS or JPD at that moment correct? That other child was beaten by his parent and you KNEW it so you politely removed yourself from the classroom and reported it. Am I wrong?That's what any responsible adult would have done.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#244 Jul 10, 2012
i bet wrote:
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And I bet you were so concerned you called CPS or JPD at that moment correct? That other child was beaten by his parent and you KNEW it so you politely removed yourself from the classroom and reported it. Am I wrong?That's what any responsible adult would have done.
As a matter of fact I did reported it to my DSS worker the next morning and she was looking into it. I would report any abuse I have seen or had a feeling something was wrong. So guess what you lost that bet. I am a geniune person who cares about kids and adults. So this is all I have to state on this matter. Like I stated in the past, Mr.Sutter is wasting DSS time for looking into the real kids who are abused. He called DSS on me even though I was cooperating with him, he wasted value time from DSS to investgate me. This is why I am upset with his ways. Have a nice day.
fibber

Fredonia, NY

#245 Jul 10, 2012
"This is the last time anyone will hear from me on the whats your opionion of JHS prinicpal Mr.Sutter's"

Ohhhh you lied....
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#246 Jul 10, 2012
fibber wrote:
"This is the last time anyone will hear from me on the whats your opionion of JHS prinicpal Mr.Sutter's"
Ohhhh you lied....
Only to defend myself and it was on another child,when someone says I looked the other way on abuse, I have all the rights to defend myself on that matter. However, your right I said I would never talk about him. Guess what, I will only say this once everyone knows my point and yes I have discovered that all of this is a waste of time. So good-bye have a nice life if you can!!!!!!!!!!
fibber

United States

#248 Jul 10, 2012
dorene wrote:
<quoted text>Only to defend myself and it was on another child,when someone says I looked the other way on abuse, I have all the rights to defend myself on that matter. However, your right I said I would never talk about him. Guess what, I will only say this once everyone knows my point and yes I have discovered that all of this is a waste of time. So good-bye have a nice life if you can!!!!!!!!!!
My children behave and do well in school! I'm good and my life is just fine! Thanks though....
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#249 Jul 10, 2012
Paul wrote:
Dorene is a child beater. She snuffs innocent kids from behind.
You know something Paul you are slandering me and by law I could appeal to the courts to locate you and sue the crap out of you. What you stated is not the truth and wait till I get my lawyer on your butt for false remarks. Wish you luck with your stupid remarks,and see you in court. You really are sick puppy.
dorene

Jamestown, NY

#251 Jul 10, 2012
Paul wrote:
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Good luck with that. Instead of threatening to pick my pockets go get a job. Be a role model for your potential future felons that you can't raise. Quit blaming the school system and principal. Take some responsibility.
Your not worth the time of day in my life to play and state childish remarks. Good Luck.
Realist

Jamestown, NY

#252 Jul 10, 2012
Dorene has 4 comments since she said she wouldn't be heard from again, and 11 of the last 17 posts. Pretty much talking to herself.

JHS does pretty damn good for having 1600 students to deal with from this crap-city. I love how these people who can't find ways to control the kids they give birth to want to act like experts and tell the schools how they should operate. Most don't own property here, pay taxes, or vote in school elections. But they want to bitch on sites like this, thinking that makes them a good parent and fight for the rights of their kids who disrupt the educational rights of the majority of kids who behave and follow rules and expectations. And many of these kids who behave well and follow rules also deal with problems, but they still go to school every day and do what they are supposed to do in a respectful manner.

Like has been said before, your only job is to teach your own kid how to behave and act in society. Do that correctly and maybe your kid won't be such a regular in detention, ISS, and OSS.

Since: Jun 12

Jamestown, NY

#253 Jul 10, 2012
Realist wrote:
Dorene has 4 comments since she said she wouldn't be heard from again, and 11 of the last 17 posts. Pretty much talking to herself.
JHS does pretty damn good for having 1600 students to deal with from this crap-city. I love how these people who can't find ways to control the kids they give birth to want to act like experts and tell the schools how they should operate. Most don't own property here, pay taxes, or vote in school elections. But they want to bitch on sites like this, thinking that makes them a good parent and fight for the rights of their kids who disrupt the educational rights of the majority of kids who behave and follow rules and expectations. And many of these kids who behave well and follow rules also deal with problems, but they still go to school every day and do what they are supposed to do in a respectful manner.
Like has been said before, your only job is to teach your own kid how to behave and act in society. Do that correctly and maybe your kid won't be such a regular in detention, ISS, and OSS.
Ok for all of you that think you know everything about the parents posting on this sight. 1st I am not a single parent (we aren't all you know). 2nd I own my house, pay my taxes,+ vote here. 3rd I work 40 hours a week at a JOB ( if you know what that is) my husband works 60-80 hours most weeks. We do not get welfare or any kind of PA. I can't believe that instead of having something to add you are too busy cutting others down about what you assume you know. You know what happens when you ass-u-me don't you? And yes as I've said before there are lawyers as well as other agencies involved but unless you can prove there is something going on not much can be done about the APP program. We've even talked about sneaking cameras in to try to "catch" what happens but the kids are wanded with a metal detector when they walk in the door. If you don't have anything better to do than slam people go start a seperate topic slamming us and leave us alone!!!
Realist

Jamestown, NY

#254 Jul 11, 2012
Sneaking cameras in....how freaking stupid. Sounds to me like there's parents like Dorene there all the time as it is in an attempt to get some of these kids to behave. Not only is that ridiculous for a parent to have to do that, it shows how horrible these kids must act and that the program isn't that concerned about anyone seeing what actually happens there.

Talk to 99 percent of the kids who go to that program and they'll tell you it's simple. Talk to the students who do nothing but act horrible in that program like they did in regular school to get placed there and they'll want to whine about how mean people are. I wish someone, someday would stop and remember that well-behaved kids and their parents actually have some rights in schools too.

Mommy of 4, I never said anything about you in particular so come down off the ledge.

And schools like Jamestown are supposed to keep control so a few kids that can't/don't/won't behave, follow rules, or respect the educational process can't totally disrupt that process for those who actually go there to learn.
haha

Jamestown, NY

#255 Jul 11, 2012
You are so right realist. I have had 3 children attend that school and graduate not one problem from any of the staff.It starts at home!
Realist

Buffalo, NY

#256 Jul 11, 2012
The real trick, haha, is not to allow ourselves to get sidetracked by the few people who want to act like they're being victimized by the school. Are there problems in schools? Sure there are. You can't have thousands of kids walking the halls and hundreds of adults trying to keep control and think there aren't going to be a few issues.

The kids who want to apply themselves and do what they are supposed to do can be very successful at any school, JHS included.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the APP program is for kids who are suspended long-term. Most kids who go to OSS are only there for 5 days or less. Any kid can get caught up in things, make a mistake, and have to spend a short time in OSS. They go there, do what they are supposed to do, then get out of there and, hopefully, don't go back. These kids who are in long-term suspension have acted up a lot more in order to get to that point. It's usually one problem after another after another before a kid gets to APP. It's almost a case of having to actually work hard at getting into the APP program.

Any kid who puts themselves in a position to have to deal with any assistant principal that much needs to be in APP.

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