been there

Jamestown, NY

#21 Nov 29, 2012
Whoa wrote:
Well, Been There, I didn't get the impression he's on a high horse at all. He was just telling his story like you did. There's no reason to argue or play "my dog is bigger than your dog". Drug abuse and alcoholism has destroyed many, many families, it's terrible.
My issue is his previous comment that he dismisses addiction as an illness...
I'm not the only person who has been through it and I get that but when I asked him/her if he/she knew what they were talking about I got the wrath of well yes I do I've lived it... Well so have millions of other people and its a growing trend. The depressed state of our country and financial hardships drive addictions. When kids get nailed for drugs it's treated as a kid acting out and they get tossed in a detention center or jail. They are not being treated for current addiction or potential addiction in their future, they are just being overlooked and labeled
been there

Jamestown, NY

#22 Nov 29, 2012
the gambler wrote:
<quoted text>Thankyou for the support. I just want folks to know how bad drugs really are, and how they effect everyone in your family. "been there" reply is that of a "victim", when it comes to users and criminals it's NEVER their fault, poor me I'm a f%#$ up and it's not my fault. YES IT IS. Life is all about choices, if you make the wrong choice live with the consequences. NO BODY MADE you snort, smoke or shoot up. You did it on your own free will.
I agree with you that nobody MADE them do it, however addiction has a grasp on you before you really honestly know what's going on. Like I said I highly doubt anybody has the intent to become an addict.
I can use the same argument with food! People who over eat and ultimately end up overweight are found to have low levels of leptin (a chemical release by the brain that says "hey you're full"), being overweight causes depression, depression causes eating that releases dopamine in the brain making the over eater feel "better." Now you're family member is 400lbs, diabetic, with sky high cholesterol... It's a vicious cycle!! It's the same thing with drugs and alcohol... It's a REAL problem... Do we feel worse for the heroine addict or the food addict? Both put their drug of choice in to their body and it either started with one line of coke or one extra helping of potatoes at dinner...
Ross

Jamestown, NY

#23 Nov 29, 2012
frustrating wrote:
I am in amazement at the drug court from the city. They are offering 16 and 17 yr olds this program if they plead guilty to a crime. In turn if they have any interaction with the police they get terminated and have to sit 18months in county jail.
Anyone who is "frustrated" by this graceful hand offered by the state is obviously a low-life who could not keep his or her nose clean.

What do these delinquents deserve, a free TV and a new set of rims if they merely promise to behave?
getting clean

Jamestown, NY

#24 Nov 29, 2012
I'm in the program right now. They make us do self help meetings. I've been going to the NA meetings until recently when I found out that one of the people that is on the drug court team goes himself. He uses the meetings to gather info to hurt the people on drug court. How can a recovering person talk and ask for help when they are afraid to talk for fear that what they say,can be used against them to put them in jail? i don't think its fair to the people working their program. You don't dare open up and talk about a relapse because it will get back to Cathy Newton and she will just put you back in jail! Like I said it isn't right. They say in NA that you are under no surveilence at any time, but that's bullshit!
moms Mabley

Jamestown, NY

#25 Nov 29, 2012
I say that in place of drug court they offer a one way airline ticket to San Diego or somewhere. That way maybe they will take their nasty drugs somewhere else.

How many in drug court were born here. How many there have families with jobs.

Frankly if you don't have a job here and especially if you came here without a job. Give somewhere else with a warm climate a try.

I sure wouldn't be here if my Hubby wasn't working. I wouldn't have a hubby if he wasn't working!
frustrating

Fredonia, NY

#26 Nov 30, 2012
Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who is "frustrated" by this graceful hand offered by the state is obviously a low-life who could not keep his or her nose clean.
What do these delinquents deserve, a free TV and a new set of rims if they merely promise to behave?
NO im not stating they deserve a free ride. Im just stating what works for adults dont work for the youth and if they truly want to help then the program needs to fit the needs of everyone entering it. As im reading stories on here it goes to show they are manipulating people who really need the help
frustrating

Fredonia, NY

#27 Nov 30, 2012
getting clean wrote:
I'm in the program right now. They make us do self help meetings. I've been going to the NA meetings until recently when I found out that one of the people that is on the drug court team goes himself. He uses the meetings to gather info to hurt the people on drug court. How can a recovering person talk and ask for help when they are afraid to talk for fear that what they say,can be used against them to put them in jail? i don't think its fair to the people working their program. You don't dare open up and talk about a relapse because it will get back to Cathy Newton and she will just put you back in jail! Like I said it isn't right. They say in NA that you are under no surveilence at any time, but that's bullshit!
If you read through the hand book it states no informants are allowed in this program as it will effect the progress of individuals. THis is unfair and if they really wanted to help you they wouldnt do that. Another rule broken! By the way kudos to your for wanting to make yourself better and shame on them for not allowing your to do so
Ross

Jamestown, NY

#28 Nov 30, 2012
frustrating wrote:
<quoted text>
As im reading stories on here it goes to show they are manipulating people who really need the help
Well what would you define as "help" as opposed to mere "manipulation"
been there

Jamestown, NY

#29 Nov 30, 2012
getting clean wrote:
I'm in the program right now. They make us do self help meetings. I've been going to the NA meetings until recently when I found out that one of the people that is on the drug court team goes himself. He uses the meetings to gather info to hurt the people on drug court. How can a recovering person talk and ask for help when they are afraid to talk for fear that what they say,can be used against them to put them in jail? i don't think its fair to the people working their program. You don't dare open up and talk about a relapse because it will get back to Cathy Newton and she will just put you back in jail! Like I said it isn't right. They say in NA that you are under no surveilence at any time, but that's bullshit!
Keep on keepin' on.... I hope you can find resolution with this situation... NOTHING should stand between you and your sobriety!!!!
the gambler

Jamestown, NY

#30 Nov 30, 2012
been there wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you that nobody MADE them do it, however addiction has a grasp on you before you really honestly know what's going on. Like I said I highly doubt anybody has the intent to become an addict.
I can use the same argument with food! People who over eat and ultimately end up overweight are found to have low levels of leptin (a chemical release by the brain that says "hey you're full"), being overweight causes depression, depression causes eating that releases dopamine in the brain making the over eater feel "better." Now you're family member is 400lbs, diabetic, with sky high cholesterol... It's a vicious cycle!! It's the same thing with drugs and alcohol... It's a REAL problem... Do we feel worse for the heroine addict or the food addict? Both put their drug of choice in to their body and it either started with one line of coke or one extra helping of potatoes at dinner...
A very poor argument indeed. Drugs are addicting to all who partake, food on the other hand is not. Every person on earth eats and does not become addicted to food. What more BS do you have?
been there

Jamestown, NY

#31 Nov 30, 2012
the gambler wrote:
<quoted text>A very poor argument indeed. Drugs are addicting to all who partake, food on the other hand is not. Every person on earth eats and does not become addicted to food. What more BS do you have?
Not everybody who tries drugs becomes addicted either, my friend. In fact the majority do not.
the gambler

Jamestown, NY

#32 Nov 30, 2012
been there wrote:
<quoted text>
Not everybody who tries drugs becomes addicted either, my friend. In fact the majority do not.
Hmm, you seem so well versed on drugs, give me some percentages to back up your claims. It's easy to spew information but is it correct? By the way you are not my friend.
been there

United States

#33 Nov 30, 2012
Not a problem my non friend... Stats are my favorite!
interesting

Fredonia, NY

#34 Nov 30, 2012
seems like this post is getting hotter every day! Lots of good imput
getting clean

Jamestown, NY

#35 Dec 1, 2012
moms Mabley wrote:
I say that in place of drug court they offer a one way airline ticket to San Diego or somewhere. That way maybe they will take their nasty drugs somewhere else.
How many in drug court were born here. How many there have families with jobs.
Frankly if you don't have a job here and especially if you came here without a job. Give somewhere else with a warm climate a try.
I sure wouldn't be here if my Hubby wasn't working. I wouldn't have a hubby if he wasn't working!
Really wow! Let me tell you something, I work 50 hrs a week, in a very good shop,I make very good money,I pay my taxes just like every other respectable citizen in Jamestown! I made a stupid choice and chose to drive after a few drinks! I'm very greatfull for the program, it has helped me kick my drinking problem. I don't agree with the way the program is run, but it does help those that want help! To put everyone on drug court into the same class only shows your ignorance! And it is very obvious by reading your comment that you, yourself don't work and rely on your man for money which makes you a gold digger, so think about what your saying before you say it!!!
hello

Jamestown, NY

#36 Dec 8, 2012
wasnt that bad
watcher

Fredonia, NY

#37 Dec 11, 2012
i have saw this program not work for several teens and they need to come up with something that works because this obviously dont. It makes me sick. If they would follow guidlines and practice what it sais maybe it would be beneficial
Broader view -

Birmingham, AL

#38 Jan 18, 2013
Ross wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who is "frustrated" by this graceful hand offered by the state is obviously a low-life who could not keep his or her nose clean.
What do these delinquents deserve, a free TV and a new set of rims if they merely promise to behave?
Really? Broad gross generalizations based on subjective opinion is part of the problem.

We , as a population, get caught up in the details and not what is going on and destroying us as a whole.

We have to approach the "drug problem" in the best interest of the people. INCLUDING those who you may think are 'low-lives'/'scum'.

If you argue against this premise then you argue that your bias and opinion of drug users is greater than your national security , personal security, and ultimately the nations finances which really does impact you. Given enough time it will impact everyone if left unchecked and even longer destroy the entire nation.

Drug addiction by the scientists and medical researchers who study this for a career determine with majority that it is a medical issue. That it needs to be treated in medical environments. This is not disputable evidence, but fact. 50 years ago, they thought similar to you. However we advance in our knowledge and understanding. This is the way the world works, and our advancement in what we used to think and now KNOW is rapidly increasing.. doubling and tripling at times every 1.5 to 2 years. Do the compound arithmetic on that over even 20 years.(IE: 1992/3).

We treat things now (INCLUDING drug courts) with punitive measures. That we must punish human beings who are NON violent but ingested a substance (that constitutionally they have an inalienable right to do) we have 40+ years ago determined to make "illegal" declaring WAR against.

That was our first major mistake. Nixon, with Reagan, and all subsequent presidents and political majority backing up this failed "War".

Our second mistake and ultimate doom is not learning and changing -- we can't behave like cavemen.. and ignore the facts as we discover them. We have to use our heads.

We have to stop unwinnable wars -- The war on drugs..(Which is a War on the People). Why? Because it is costing a country in astronomical debt a ridiculous amount of money annually. Where does this money come from? Taxpayers. Do you pay taxes? When it comes to your money do you really want your money spent every month to house non violent people who chose to ingest a substance (drug)? Do you want to arm other countries to fight 'cartels'? And on the list goes. All the while our crime goes up, drug use goes up, and prisons get more crowded. If we were showing progress over the course of the war.. it could be argued .. YES, but when the war causes the problem -- we have to face to facts.

People only applaud drug courts because the only other option is prison. So it seems 'better'. What if we stopped arresting drug USERS and saved your money?

Don't get me wrong -- Violent people need to be in prison, but people who want to abuse their OWN bodies do not. It isn't rocket science and we should never base our country on such failed 'ideas' because we are either uninformed, or afraid of change .. or simply want to maintain the status quo.

Take Portugals results over the last decade from decriminalizing drug use:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regio...

Research it a little.

While we are getting negative results every decade with our War on Drugs -- they in a very short amount of time have gotten undeniable positive results.

We have to think of change, not little change like drug courts -- we have to really make radical shifts - Do people really think if heroin were suddenly not a crime to inject that everyone would run out and start shooting up tomorrow? Yes, they do.. but why? It is far from the truth...
ha ha ha

Fort Washington, MD

#39 Jan 18, 2013
http://youtu.be/EhjNRwdtGRA listen to this song
shut up

Everett, MA

#40 Jan 18, 2013
I'm on drug court, I'm 19. I've been on since I turned 18. Age dkesnt matter in the program, its your willingness to become clean and sober, and start a new way of life.

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