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frustrating

Malden, MA

#1 Nov 28, 2012
I am in amazement at the drug court from the city. They are offering 16 and 17 yr olds this program if they plead guilty to a crime. In turn if they have any interaction with the police they get terminated and have to sit 18months in county jail. OUr jail is full enough and this isnt helping. All theese youth are hearing is im getting out of jail and take it not understanding the full extent of what the details are. There needs a competency level for each person who is offered this. I have seen few people be successfull and i think my tax payer money should go for something that is successful and not this crap!!
keep it clean

Vestal, NY

#2 Nov 28, 2012
If they keep their noses clean, then no problem is had, it's their choice....volunteer you're free time to keep out of trouble. This is no different then an adult signing up for a credit card or loan and not reading the fine print. Trickery is a part of life and you have to know how to play the game, if not, stay on the porch or suffer the consequences. It's that simple! Now if the person is challenged, that's a lil different but not by much!
wow

Malden, MA

#3 Nov 28, 2012
atleast with a credit card there is fine print that can be read with this program its take it and deal with it or tough luck
George

United States

#4 Nov 28, 2012
Sad
frustrating

Malden, MA

#5 Nov 28, 2012
i have to agree with both of you to a point.
Why are taxpayers paying for a program that decieves and lies to anyone? Is that waht our community needs to be known for? People who loves to waste tax payer money?
Why isnt there an alternative in place for young people? One that works! We dont treat 17 yr olds the same as 7 yr olds because they dont have the same mental capacity so why are are we treating youth as adults?
The goal is to keep people out of jail instead the success rate shows that more people are in jail for longer periods of time because it just dont work!
CompassionForThe seKids

Johnson City, NY

#6 Nov 28, 2012
The Drug Court program is actually very effective... in other counties. Here, its not being ran correctly. I've looked up the New York State Drug Court Program, I've read through every bit of it. Jamestown drug court is NOT run the way it was meant to be run. Cathy Newton is on a power trip and thinks she can degrade, belittle, make lie and run down anybody she wants too. The people in this Jamestown program, let her do it, because they believe that their life is in the palm of her hand. And believe me, she LOVES the younger ones, she gets off on making them feel like piles of sh*t. Another problem with the Drug Court Program, is that "The Team" throws people in jail left and right. They first must understand that addiction is a sickness, and relapse is part of getting clean. If a person is doing well in the program and they slip up, you can't just throw them in jail for a week or two and expect that to work. Nobody wants to take this anywhere for fear that their loved one will "feel the wrath of Cathy" and be stuffed away forever!
CompassionForThe seKids

Johnson City, NY

#7 Nov 28, 2012
the gambler

Jamestown, NY

#8 Nov 28, 2012
CompassionForTheseKids wrote:
The Drug Court program is actually very effective... in other counties. Here, its not being ran correctly. I've looked up the New York State Drug Court Program, I've read through every bit of it. Jamestown drug court is NOT run the way it was meant to be run. Cathy Newton is on a power trip and thinks she can degrade, belittle, make lie and run down anybody she wants too. The people in this Jamestown program, let her do it, because they believe that their life is in the palm of her hand. And believe me, she LOVES the younger ones, she gets off on making them feel like piles of sh*t. Another problem with the Drug Court Program, is that "The Team" throws people in jail left and right. They first must understand that addiction is a sickness, and relapse is part of getting clean. If a person is doing well in the program and they slip up, you can't just throw them in jail for a week or two and expect that to work. Nobody wants to take this anywhere for fear that their loved one will "feel the wrath of Cathy" and be stuffed away forever!
Drug "addication is a sickness"? So you mean to say I someone who NEVER has used drugs could wake up some day an addict. BS, an addiction is brought on by drug use and abuse which by the way is illegal. Get caught your ass needs to be in the slammer, period! "F" drug court.
frustrating

Malden, MA

#9 Nov 29, 2012
I agree with you 100%. I read through the link you posted and my point was clearly found in the manuel. A program should be in place to test capacity and and any mental issues one may have before accepting them into the program. There is not one in place and that is why the success rate is so low for youth.
Also person has a right to opt out of the program if found to have a mental diagnosis but nooone actullay knows if they do until testing is done. Drug court is failing to provide what they guildlines indicate thye should do by not providing such and evaluation.
Why hasnt anyone looked into how the money is being dispersed? Why also is the evaluation at a state level and not a local level? Maybe things would change if it was.
haha

Buffalo, NY

#10 Nov 29, 2012
dont do drugs, dont become an addict and you wont have to worry about drug court. Oh, and good parenting helps too!
been there

Fredonia, NY

#11 Nov 29, 2012
the gambler wrote:
<quoted text>Drug "addication is a sickness"? So you mean to say I someone who NEVER has used drugs could wake up some day an addict. BS, an addiction is brought on by drug use and abuse which by the way is illegal. Get caught your ass needs to be in the slammer, period! "F" drug court.
Do you believe alcoholism is a sickness or go you put that in the same category as illicit drugs?
What is your opinion on pain killers? An 80 year old woman can have hip replacement surgery, be prescribed huge doses of a pain killer and become dependent on substance. Does that meet the criteria of addiction/sickness?
Do you know ANYTHING about the chemical composition of drugs and the effects it has on the brain?
Two 16 year old girls
one at poverty level with drug addicted parents
the other in the upper 1%, warships God on a daily basis, maintains a 4.0 GPA ......
girls go to the same party, use the same drug.
Depending on the initial "experience" of the drug, the genetic make up of the girls, and any underlying mental disorder are factors that make a person use, abuse and/or be come addicted to them.
The God fearing, studious, wealthy girl has JUST as much of a chance of becoming an addict as the other...
It DOES start with that initial use, but I'm pretty sure most people don't wake up in the morning and say "I think I'm going to trash my life and become an addict today"
Have a bit of empathy, try picking up a book, flyer, go to an open meeting and meeting these people rather than throwing them all to the wolves.
wow

Malden, MA

#12 Nov 29, 2012
every person in this program isnt an addict, so for them this program is easy but for those who are it is a long recovery and few make it to graduation because it is not personalized to the needs of the individual
suggestion

Malden, MA

#13 Nov 29, 2012
why isnt there mental health court for people instead of drug court. People would get the proper diagnosis and be able to resolve the issues at hand with professionals
interesting

Malden, MA

#14 Nov 29, 2012
wow lots of comments. So i decided to read through this supposid handbook and individuals should be allowed to observe this drug court in section C1 and how it operates before entering a plea. This isnt being done? That is not surprising! Where is this hand book they are talking about?
Unknown

Jamestown, NY

#15 Nov 29, 2012
suggestion wrote:
why isnt there mental health court for people instead of drug court. People would get the proper diagnosis and be able to resolve the issues at hand with professionals
There is a Mental Health Court as well as Drug Court. Both run in similar ways. However, those in the Mental Health Court seem to catch more breaks when they "break the rules" than those on Drug Court.
the gambler

Jamestown, NY

#16 Nov 29, 2012
been there wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe alcoholism is a sickness or go you put that in the same category as illicit drugs?
What is your opinion on pain killers? An 80 year old woman can have hip replacement surgery, be prescribed huge doses of a pain killer and become dependent on substance. Does that meet the criteria of addiction/sickness?
Do you know ANYTHING about the chemical composition of drugs and the effects it has on the brain?
Two 16 year old girls
one at poverty level with drug addicted parents
the other in the upper 1%, warships God on a daily basis, maintains a 4.0 GPA ......
girls go to the same party, use the same drug.
Depending on the initial "experience" of the drug, the genetic make up of the girls, and any underlying mental disorder are factors that make a person use, abuse and/or be come addicted to them.
The God fearing, studious, wealthy girl has JUST as much of a chance of becoming an addict as the other...
It DOES start with that initial use, but I'm pretty sure most people don't wake up in the morning and say "I think I'm going to trash my life and become an addict today"
Have a bit of empathy, try picking up a book, flyer, go to an open meeting and meeting these people rather than throwing them all to the wolves.
I have seen what drug abuse does to familys first hand. My brother is an addict, has been for almost 40 years. His abuse was a nightmare for my Mom and Dad in their "golden" years. He stole from them, maxed out my mothers credit (she died this year pennyless) There are bills that will never be paid. He has spent time in jail for drug sales, home burglery, car theft, petit theft and so on. I am sure he has committed many other crimes, you do infact don't get caught for everything you do. He has lost two wives, by divorce. His first daughter disowns him, gave her up for adoption so he would not have to pay child support. His five other chidren really don't have anything to do with them either, they live out of state with Mom and her new husband, thank God. My brother has now been diagnosed as bi-polar,and has considerd killing himself, so now he can't work and is on SSD, his children receive SSI. My brother still does drugs, coke, crack, heroin and pot. He steals methedone from a friend of his when he can't get heroin, I don't even know why she has it. He lies,cheats,steals and owes everybody he knows. Here's the kicker, he does not know why his life has turned to crap. Aren't drugs glamourus? Do you want your children to turn out like this? No it was not his home enviroment or our lifestyle when we were growing up. My parents were like the Cleavers, Dad never missed a day of work in 44 years of employment, except when my brother drove him to a breakdown. My other brother and my sister are successful at what they do. I myself worked my ass off, 24 hours a day, seven days a week and was able to retire at 55 years old. We all grew up in the same household, the ony thing different was the drugs my brother used and still uses. His life is a mess and it is all owed to drug abuse. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. Comments?
been there

United States

#17 Nov 29, 2012
the gambler wrote:
<quoted text>I have seen what drug abuse does to familys first hand. My brother is an addict, has been for almost 40 years. His abuse was a nightmare for my Mom and Dad in their "golden" years. He stole from them, maxed out my mothers credit (she died this year pennyless) There are bills that will never be paid. He has spent time in jail for drug sales, home burglery, car theft, petit theft and so on. I am sure he has committed many other crimes, you do infact don't get caught for everything you do. He has lost two wives, by divorce. His first daughter disowns him, gave her up for adoption so he would not have to pay child support. His five other chidren really don't have anything to do with them either, they live out of state with Mom and her new husband, thank God. My brother has now been diagnosed as bi-polar,and has considerd killing himself, so now he can't work and is on SSD, his children receive SSI. My brother still does drugs, coke, crack, heroin and pot. He steals methedone from a friend of his when he can't get heroin, I don't even know why she has it. He lies,cheats,steals and owes everybody he knows. Here's the kicker, he does not know why his life has turned to crap. Aren't drugs glamourus? Do you want your children to turn out like this? No it was not his home enviroment or our lifestyle when we were growing up. My parents were like the Cleavers, Dad never missed a day of work in 44 years of employment, except when my brother drove him to a breakdown. My other brother and my sister are successful at what they do. I myself worked my ass off, 24 hours a day, seven days a week and was able to retire at 55 years old. We all grew up in the same household, the ony thing different was the drugs my brother used and still uses. His life is a mess and it is all owed to drug abuse. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. Comments?
Ah so you must have a monopoly on drug addict experience... Thought the name may have given you a clue but obviously it didn't.
Lets see I'm almost 40 my mother is and has been an addict my ENTIRE life... Physical, verbal and emotional abuse happened on a daily basis... My sibling and I were not allowed to go to counseling or divulge any information about what happened in our home... Black eyes, fat lips, missing hair, finger nail holes in our arms, neck and back from being grabbed and there was always an excuse... Money was not something we had or new anything about! as long had money to feed her habit thats all that mattered.
I began drinking while my sibling abstained and I spent year after year intoxicated and seeking out bigger and better drugs to make me "feel better". I lied, stole and lost the respect of many of my friends and family. My poor children were exposed to my behavior on a daily (like I with my mother) and learned to keep THEIR mouths shut! I was my mother!
I dug myself out from the bottom of a bottle and got sober, HOWEVER, it's always always ALWAYS in the back of my head. I'm not angel and have fallen off the wagon many a times but find my way back up. With the holiday season here I know a lot of addicts and sober addicts who are suffering and on edge.
I have NO relationship with my mother and do not allow my children to have extensive exposure to her!
Nope have no clue what your talking about....
And you have no clue about MY sickness so get off your high horse!!!!
Comments?
Whoa

Johnson City, NY

#18 Nov 29, 2012
Well, Been There, I didn't get the impression he's on a high horse at all. He was just telling his story like you did. There's no reason to argue or play "my dog is bigger than your dog". Drug abuse and alcoholism has destroyed many, many families, it's terrible.
the gambler

Jamestown, NY

#19 Nov 29, 2012
Whoa wrote:
Well, Been There, I didn't get the impression he's on a high horse at all. He was just telling his story like you did. There's no reason to argue or play "my dog is bigger than your dog". Drug abuse and alcoholism has destroyed many, many families, it's terrible.
Thankyou for the support. I just want folks to know how bad drugs really are, and how they effect everyone in your family. "been there" reply is that of a "victim", when it comes to users and criminals it's NEVER their fault, poor me I'm a f%#$ up and it's not my fault. YES IT IS. Life is all about choices, if you make the wrong choice live with the consequences. NO BODY MADE you snort, smoke or shoot up. You did it on your own free will.
Frustratiting

Malden, MA

#20 Nov 29, 2012
Gambler,
Im sorry to hear your family has suffered greatly due to an addiction and never was able to get this resolved. It s clear the programs in place didnt help your family and my deepest apologies.
It goes to show particular programs dont work the same for every individual and everyone is not the same.
Your story needs to be heard! Everyone punished and is treated the same way in the program and it shows by your story that what works for 1 person doesnt work for the other. I see this alot in this "drug program" in this county.
I dont understand why that cannot taylor and individual needs for each person. The youth in this program are not getting equipped to getting what they need to be successful so the behavior dosnt happen again. They are thrown back in jail and forgot about just so the problem isnt dealt with which in turn cost tax payers thousands of dollars

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