Highway Patrol Completes Crash Recons...

Highway Patrol Completes Crash Reconstruction

There are 116 comments on the Fox 8 WGHP story from May 26, 2010, titled Highway Patrol Completes Crash Reconstruction. In it, Fox 8 WGHP reports that:

Investigators with the state Highway Patrol shut down the intersection of Business 85 and River Rd.

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Shut Your Mouth

High Point, NC

#104 May 27, 2010
Z06ROCKET wrote:
Some on here are clueless! This Doucherocket JD Goodinite tried to kill me and 11 other friends of mine back in 06 on I85.By tryn to run us into a concrete wall.(motorcycles)All of yo scream he has kids,yes and one is a special needs child.So lets do some math.The more tickets he writes the better he looks @ evaluation time.Which leads to bigger raises.Why do you think he's working 3 jobs? Because his child's MEDICAL BILLS!Which leads to him being a terriost to all motorist on the roads.He will stop at nothing to catch you and give you a ticket.NOTHING!...IE blasting through intersections @95mph.(which I dont believe)I been In a semi chase with Goodnite,He never uses his lights till he's right behind his target.NEVER!The lights will alert anyone,The speeder to make a few cuts!His game is about stelth.PERIOD!And to all asking about his dash cam? He damn sure had one in the crown-vic/and the Charger!They pulled it out.How do I know this? Remember he teaches a class @ GTCC in Law enforcement! He shows the class his vids form chases!But you wont hear that!COVER UP!I can type a booke report about this toolbag.Seriously do you think the NCHP are gonna hang one of their own,knowing he has 4 kids and one is a special needs kid?YOUR SMOKING CRACK!This clown will do what ever it takes to give a ticket,and It finaly cought up to him.PERIOD! I don't feel a bit of pity or sorrow for him.The others yes,him Hell No!He should face manslaughter charges just like anyone else.I can name tons of people he's wronged.KARMA is a ****.MS charges run about 10-20yrs a charge.But lets be real he wont do any time behind this.But when the civil suite is all sais and done.He's gonna wish it was him that got killed.He's gonna loose everythig he's got! believe it!
Karma is a MF..and yours will hopefully come real soon. Maybe if you slowed your damn motorcycle down he wouldn't have pulled you over..We can all tell by your comments and your name who the REAL douchebag is..YOU! Hell you cant even spell correctly so what is your comments worth..nothing!
consuelo

High Point, NC

#105 May 27, 2010
Estaba en mi casa aquel fatidico dia cuando escuche la sirena de algunas ambulancias y dije a mi hijo que estaba conmigo, algo grande a sucedido cerca de aqui, Dios mio nunca me imagine que habia sido este tremendo accidente donde por desgracia dos valiosas vidas se perdieron.Ayer pase por el lugar del accidente y vi dos ramos de flores en memoria de las dos personas que murieron, siento mucha tristeza por su familia, quiza esto nos traiga una enseñanza, algunas veces cuando vamos manejando no sabemos realmente de donde sale la policia o las ambulancias y a cualquiera le puede pasar, porque a mi me ha pasado.
bueno espero que alguien en el canal hable español y pueda traducir mi mensaje.Hablo Ingles pero me siento mas segura escribiendo en español.
John C

Burlington, NC

#106 May 27, 2010
Harvey Road Jamestown wrote:
John C, Please give me your comment on what what you think Sandy did, you have got to consider that it took 2 vehicles to cause this tragedy. If it was my daughter it would destroy me also, but you have got to consider the whole happening and why.
I thought this summed it up pretty well:
-Excessive speed chases in these situations are unnecessary. They are dangerous. They kill people. Anyone who doesn't exercise good judgement in these scenarios have to have their credibility questioned. Trooper Goodnight had no problem stepping on the pedal of his Hemi-powered Dodge Charger to catch this blue Skylark himself. He had no problem pushing it up to almost 100mph to do it. Based on the outcome, he was not exercising any caution at the intersection involved and while he was fully committed to this cource of action, anyone who was headed the other way would literally have a fraction of a second to respond/react. So the concensus is to blame her driving? Really? Officers of the Law are charged with protecting people as their first duty. When did traffic tickets and the revenue generated become more important than the lives of innocent commuters on the road coming home from church?

They lady literally had a fraction of a second to react to a car travelling at a minimum of twice the speed limit with no siren on. This car would have come into her field of view (literally) instantaneously. It takes two cars to make an accident but clearly the one responsible is the one who has the duty of protecting the safety and well being of the public first.....and that person killed two innocent bystanders. I'll say one more time that I am not condemning the State Troopers as a whole but I am extremely critical of the poor judgement exercised by one State Trooper. I am also still amazed by the number of people who are defending Trooper Goodnight by saying he was just doing his job. In short......he wasn't doing his job because his first responsibility is to protecting the citizenry. He didn't do his job because he killed two people to try and stop someone speeding.

If you look at the speeding issue alone, knowing there were intersctions ahead and that there were other units nearby he should have proceeded with caution and notified other units. Some people have said "John you are Monday morning quarterbacking" and I don't argue that. BUT, I do expect someone with 10 years of experience to be exercising that level of judgement when they are patroling our highways and entrusted to protect the public.
John C

Burlington, NC

#107 May 27, 2010
Z06ROCKET wrote:
Some on here are clueless! This Doucherocket JD Goodinite tried to kill me and 11 other friends of mine back in 06 on I85.By tryn to run us into a concrete wall.(motorcycles)All of yo scream he has kids,yes and one is a special needs child.So lets do some math.The more tickets he writes the better he looks @ evaluation time.Which leads to bigger raises.Why do you think he's working 3 jobs? Because his child's MEDICAL BILLS!Which leads to him being a terriost to all motorist on the roads.He will stop at nothing to catch you and give you a ticket.NOTHING!...IE blasting through intersections @95mph.(which I dont believe)I been In a semi chase with Goodnite,He never uses his lights till he's right behind his target.NEVER!The lights will alert anyone,The speeder to make a few cuts!His game is about stelth.PERIOD!And to all asking about his dash cam? He damn sure had one in the crown-vic/and the Charger!They pulled it out.How do I know this? Remember he teaches a class @ GTCC in Law enforcement! He shows the class his vids form chases!But you wont hear that!COVER UP!I can type a booke report about this toolbag.Seriously do you think the NCHP are gonna hang one of their own,knowing he has 4 kids and one is a special needs kid?YOUR SMOKING CRACK!This clown will do what ever it takes to give a ticket,and It finaly cought up to him.PERIOD! I don't feel a bit of pity or sorrow for him.The others yes,him Hell No!He should face manslaughter charges just like anyone else.I can name tons of people he's wronged.KARMA is a ****.MS charges run about 10-20yrs a charge.But lets be real he wont do any time behind this.But when the civil suite is all sais and done.He's gonna wish it was him that got killed.He's gonna loose everythig he's got! believe it!
Shutyourmouth wrot: Karma is a MF..and yours will hopefully come real soon. Maybe if you slowed your damn motorcycle down he wouldn't have pulled you over..We can all tell by your comments and your name who the REAL **** is..YOU! Hell you cant even spell correctly so what is your comments worth..nothing!

PLEASE LISTEN....
Look folks, don't take shots at each other. It just diminishes the discussion and the strength of any position you may support. Clearly we are not all going to agree and this is a very combustable topic. But we have to maintain some level of civility or it just diminishes the severity, and the legitimacy of the issues at hand. Thanks.
KID

Greensboro, NC

#108 May 27, 2010
ZO6 Rocket wasn't complaining about getting a speeding ticket! He was discussing the manner in which his ticket or traffic stop happened. There is a manner in which law enforcement should behave and quite frankly if this Jarhead pulled me over I would simply crack my window and slide my registration and license to him and request that he write my ticket without further discussion. When you behave in such a way as Z06 traffic stop occured, it tends to leave a bad taste in one's mouth, which then leads to the opinion that is now formed of said officer by Z06.
I agree that there is no need for State Troopers speeding in excess of 85-90 mph. With today's technology there is no reason why you cannot initiate backup! In my opinion He was indeed flexing his muscles and will now have to live with his choices. Right, Wrong neither here nor there he will always have this on his heart.
Who regulates them? Why should they get by with driving at high rates of speed endangering our lives? There are responsible ways to accomplish goals of catching speeders and 120 mph is not one of them. This is what happens. Blind spots exsist and there is no time for reaction when one shows up out of no where at such a high rate of speed.
KID

Greensboro, NC

#109 May 27, 2010
John C wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought this summed it up pretty well:
-Excessive speed chases in these situations are unnecessary. They are dangerous. They kill people. Anyone who doesn't exercise good judgement in these scenarios have to have their credibility questioned. Trooper Goodnight had no problem stepping on the pedal of his Hemi-powered Dodge Charger to catch this blue Skylark himself. He had no problem pushing it up to almost 100mph to do it. Based on the outcome, he was not exercising any caution at the intersection involved and while he was fully committed to this cource of action, anyone who was headed the other way would literally have a fraction of a second to respond/react. So the concensus is to blame her driving? Really? Officers of the Law are charged with protecting people as their first duty. When did traffic tickets and the revenue generated become more important than the lives of innocent commuters on the road coming home from church?
They lady literally had a fraction of a second to react to a car travelling at a minimum of twice the speed limit with no siren on. This car would have come into her field of view (literally) instantaneously. It takes two cars to make an accident but clearly the one responsible is the one who has the duty of protecting the safety and well being of the public first.....and that person killed two innocent bystanders. I'll say one more time that I am not condemning the State Troopers as a whole but I am extremely critical of the poor judgement exercised by one State Trooper. I am also still amazed by the number of people who are defending Trooper Goodnight by saying he was just doing his job. In short......he wasn't doing his job because his first responsibility is to protecting the citizenry. He didn't do his job because he killed two people to try and stop someone speeding.
If you look at the speeding issue alone, knowing there were intersctions ahead and that there were other units nearby he should have proceeded with caution and notified other units. Some people have said "John you are Monday morning quarterbacking" and I don't argue that. BUT, I do expect someone with 10 years of experience to be exercising that level of judgement when they are patroling our highways and entrusted to protect the public.
Well said....

Since: Jan 10

High Point, NC

#110 May 27, 2010
John C wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought this summed it up pretty well:
-Excessive speed chases in these situations are unnecessary. They are dangerous. They kill people. Anyone who doesn't exercise good judgement in these scenarios have to have their credibility questioned. Trooper Goodnight had no problem stepping on the pedal of his Hemi-powered Dodge Charger to catch this blue Skylark himself. He had no problem pushing it up to almost 100mph to do it. Based on the outcome, he was not exercising any caution at the intersection involved and while he was fully committed to this cource of action, anyone who was headed the other way would literally have a fraction of a second to respond/react. So the concensus is to blame her driving? Really? Officers of the Law are charged with protecting people as their first duty. When did traffic tickets and the revenue generated become more important than the lives of innocent commuters on the road coming home from church?
They lady literally had a fraction of a second to react to a car travelling at a minimum of twice the speed limit with no siren on. This car would have come into her field of view (literally) instantaneously. It takes two cars to make an accident but clearly the one responsible is the one who has the duty of protecting the safety and well being of the public first.....and that person killed two innocent bystanders. I'll say one more time that I am not condemning the State Troopers as a whole but I am extremely critical of the poor judgement exercised by one State Trooper. I am also still amazed by the number of people who are defending Trooper Goodnight by saying he was just doing his job. In short......he wasn't doing his job because his first responsibility is to protecting the citizenry. He didn't do his job because he killed two people to try and stop someone speeding.
If you look at the speeding issue alone, knowing there were intersctions ahead and that there were other units nearby he should have proceeded with caution and notified other units. Some people have said "John you are Monday morning quarterbacking" and I don't argue that. BUT, I do expect someone with 10 years of experience to be exercising that level of judgement when they are patroling our highways and entrusted to protect the public.
Fact still goes if the speed had hit and killed the women you would be crying about the HP not doing it’s job.
John C

Burlington, NC

#111 May 27, 2010
Steve in T-ville wrote:
<quoted text>Fact still goes if the speed had hit and killed the women you would be crying about the HP not doing it’s job.
No that isn't a fact, it is supposition on your part. If the speeder had killed these two people I would still call it a heartbreaking tragedy that was unnecessary. I'm not looking to blame the HP arbitrarily. I have employed a few of them part time over the years and attended the ceremony of one when he became an officer a few years back. I happen to think they are a great group of people who lay it on the line every day. This is about the poor judgement of one Trooper. I hold anyone charged with protecting the public to a higher standard and quite frankly they SHOULD be.

I know that there have been folks on various threads here with an axe to grind for various reasons. At the end of the day it comes down to judgement and responsibility. There is a level of responsibility for anyone charged with protecting the public that is the first duty of anyone with a badge. All other considerations are secondary. In this instance, Trooper Jay Goodnight failed to exercise good judgement and two bystanders were killed as a result. He WAS just doing his job.......but he did it poorly. The cost was too high and it didn't have to happen.

I respect everyone's opinion here. But if you really just have it in for the Highway Patrol in general you will accomplish nothing here and most likely weaken any legitimate points you want to make. There are valid concerns worth discussing:

1) Are excessive speed chases worth the potential risk and cost?(I remind everyone that Troopers die in these high speed chases too.)
2) How should "judgement" be weighed in this situation? We have seen comments from "He was just doing his job." to "He was guilty of manslaughter" Let's be fair.....what is reasonable to expect from the SHP in these situations in the execution of their job?
3) Do we expect too much from the SHP? Are the focus of the SHP goals in alignment with the expectation of protecting the public FIRST? Or, are there other goals, directives, and quotas in place that make their day to day duties just about catching speeders and driving revenue.(This seems to be a common perspective of the public.)
4) What would the training for a 10 year veteran have looked like? How was that training periodically maintained and updated?
5) This area of Business 85 has always been dangerous. What future steps could be implemented to minimize that risk?

Those are the first few things that came to my mind. I am sure there are others. Lets refocus the discussion and stop attacking people for wanting to make sense of it in these blogs. Thanks.

Since: Jan 10

High Point, NC

#112 May 27, 2010
John C wrote:
<quoted text>
No that isn't a fact, it is supposition on your part. If the speeder had killed these two people I would still call it a heartbreaking tragedy that was unnecessary. I'm not looking to blame the HP arbitrarily. I have employed a few of them part time over the years and attended the ceremony of one when he became an officer a few years back. I happen to think they are a great group of people who lay it on the line every day. This is about the poor judgement of one Trooper. I hold anyone charged with protecting the public to a higher standard and quite frankly they SHOULD be.
I know that there have been folks on various threads here with an axe to grind for various reasons. At the end of the day it comes down to judgement and responsibility. There is a level of responsibility for anyone charged with protecting the public that is the first duty of anyone with a badge. All other considerations are secondary. In this instance, Trooper Jay Goodnight failed to exercise good judgement and two bystanders were killed as a result. He WAS just doing his job.......but he did it poorly. The cost was too high and it didn't have to happen.
I respect everyone's opinion here. But if you really just have it in for the Highway Patrol in general you will accomplish nothing here and most likely weaken any legitimate points you want to make. There are valid concerns worth discussing:
1) Are excessive speed chases worth the potential risk and cost?(I remind everyone that Troopers die in these high speed chases too.)
2) How should "judgement" be weighed in this situation? We have seen comments from "He was just doing his job." to "He was guilty of manslaughter" Let's be fair.....what is reasonable to expect from the SHP in these situations in the execution of their job?
3) Do we expect too much from the SHP? Are the focus of the SHP goals in alignment with the expectation of protecting the public FIRST? Or, are there other goals, directives, and quotas in place that make their day to day duties just about catching speeders and driving revenue.(This seems to be a common perspective of the public.)
4) What would the training for a 10 year veteran have looked like? How was that training periodically maintained and updated?
5) This area of Business 85 has always been dangerous. What future steps could be implemented to minimize that risk?
Those are the first few things that came to my mind. I am sure there are others. Lets refocus the discussion and stop attacking people for wanting to make sense of it in these blogs. Thanks.
You know what they say about hind site it 20/20. If the trooper had not gone after the speeder yes they would still be alive and it is a tragedy that they died. But there have been many cases where chases were terminated and the speeder went on to wreck and kill someone. Basically your d** if you do and d** if you don’t. and to those who want to lay all the blame on the trooper just remember if the other car hadn’t been speeding the trooper would not have given chase in the first place
makes me sick

United States

#113 May 27, 2010
Steve in T-ville wrote:
<quoted text>So the message you want to send is if your going to speed go really fast and the cops will leave you alone
You drive 5-10 miles down the road and count the cops--and guess what,they all have radios.
makes me sick

United States

#114 May 27, 2010
just me wrote:
next time you need police help......don't call. take care of it yourself. if you have never been in that line of work shut up and try it. you complain and moan because that is all you know how to do. what happened is sad but people in blue put their lives on the line everyday. some calls require police to drive fast with no lights and siren like when there is a bank robbery or when alerting the bad guy that they are coming would put others in danger. bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, that is live. dont forget the bottom line... no one can pass final judgement until you are standing in front of the big man himself. pray for all involved and all lives affected by this.
Sit back down-turn on the TV and watch another episode of Dragnet.
makes me sick

United States

#115 May 27, 2010
Amazed at ignorance wrote:
I would love to see what you dump people would be saying if it was the speeding car he was going after that hit these poor people and the trooper or any other officers wernt around. I have a well educated guess it would read something like this "where are the police when you need them, they need to do something about people speeding up and down that road."
If you people want us to slow down, the open up your wallets and pay for more officers/troopers. the more we have = the more coverage we have = shorter response times/less distance to travel = more people on the highway to cut down on having to turn around and catch up to offenders = a safer community.
To "Bouncer".. how do you know he wasnt. Do you think the 2 officers killed in Arkansas knew the car they were pulling over had 2 extremists in it waiting to murder them? Do you think the Oklahoma Trooper that pulled over Timothy McVeigh knew he was the one responsible for killing all of those people. The fact of the matter is you people that dont do this and havnt been there have no clue. I challenge you to ride with a police officer/trooper and see what we face. One word to describe it is "unknown". We have no idea who is going to be in the next car we pull over, what they are going to do, who is on the next call we answer.
"Dont like the cops? Next time call a Crackhead when you need help."
Well Educated-- please invest in spell check

Since: Jan 10

High Point, NC

#116 May 27, 2010
makes me sick wrote:
<quoted text>You drive 5-10 miles down the road and count the cops--and guess what,they all have radios.
I just got back from Greensboro and I live in Thomasville and I seen one cop there and back
B Miles

High Point, NC

#117 May 27, 2010
The "Blue" car is not the one that is responsible. Did they hit the innocent family??? No, I have seen many troopers whip their cars around in the medians of BUS 85, also just by checking oncoming traffic isn't enough, look ahead.Police officials should be more cautious. Yes in fact he was doing his job but he should have been more cautious to his surroundings. Just beacuse police and troopers have lights doesn't mean they can do whatever they want on the road. My deepest sympothy goes to the families for losing loved ones to wreckless driving. My motto is If you may regret it, don't do it!!!
Trooper_s Roadkill

Lexington, NC

#119 Jun 14, 2010
Where is the investigation? Give it a few weeks and everybody forgets, again
RoadKill

Lexington, NC

#120 Jun 21, 2010
Hard to forget when you feel it every moment for 39 years. But that could never happen to you.

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